Official offseason 2013-2014 thread - Page 10 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

spreedom · 04-16-2013, 07:37 AM

Just say no to Andray Blatche.

sefant77 · 04-16-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

If Howard and Paul are "tier 1a" then Iggy, Smith, and Pekovic are not tier 1b.

So lets say Paul/Dwight are the pipedream tier and Iggy/Smith/Peko are Tier 1.

Rick41 · 04-16-2013, 09:18 AM

I'd pop a rod if we somehow landed Pekovic.

JeffViggiano · 04-16-2013, 10:59 AM

Pekovic is a really good player but i don't think that he is the right C for Dirk.

MavsFTR · 04-16-2013, 11:48 AM

I would gladly take Pekovic. Look, we need some talent. If we get him, but it turns out he isn't a good match, he would still be very easily tradeable.

Melonhead · 04-16-2013, 11:51 AM

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The samething was said about Vince Carter and he's been playing better than OJ Mayo and Mayo is younger, let's not forget about the 30 rebound game Bynum had vs the Spurs not that long ago.

True but I look at VC as a high character dude. He will put everything out there every night regardless of the situation. Bynum checks out mentally and is all about himself. If it happens and Dallas gets him, Ill be cautiously optimistic.

LonghornDub · 04-16-2013, 12:13 PM

Bynum's history of injury and his noted mental lapses will be factored into his price. There's some break-even point where he is unquestionably a good investment and a good risk. Question is, will his price dip below that point?

LonghornDub · 04-16-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Who said I wanted to reasonably disagree?

Well, at least I can respect your forthrightness.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Bynum's history of injury and his noted mental lapses will be factored into his price. There's some break-even point where he is unquestionably a good investment and a good risk. Question is, will his price dip below that point?

What is our cap space this summer before attempting to dump salary? Like 13.5-14Mil? If you can get Bynum without having to dump Marion's salary then that would definitely be something I'm interested in. I'd keep Marion unless it was absolutely necessary to unload his salary.

Dirk's Knee · 04-16-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Bynum's history of injury and his noted mental lapses will be factored into his price. There's some break-even point where he is unquestionably a good investment and a good risk. Question is, will his price dip below that point?

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What is our cap space this summer before attempting to dump salary? Like 13.5-14Mil? If you can get Bynum without having to dump Marion's salary then that would definitely be something I'm interested in. I'd keep Marion unless it was absolutely necessary to unload his salary.

12 mil a year on a 2 year with a second year team option would be ideal. He "earned" just under $17 mil this year. I don't think anyone is going to pay him anything near that (and no longer than 2 years) under the new CBA. He's got to prove himself first before anyone's going to max him. However, Bynum looks to be valuing himself much more than he's going to be worth. Some fairly recent news from Rotoworld:

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It's getting hard to tell whether Bynum is purposely toying with Sixers fans at this point. This comes on the heels of a report that Bynum won't give the team a discount in free agency, and it's pretty interesting to see a guy who hasn't played basketball this season and has no timetable to do so make contract demands for the following year. Bynum's agent said "I still feel like the ball is in their court," which is similar to what he said when Bynum was with the Lakers. As for Bynum, he famously remarked there is a bank in every city, so we have a strong feeling he'll go to the highest bidder. There are zero guarantees with Bynum's health, but he's two weeks into his rehab and hasn't experienced any pain or swelling in his knees.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2013, 01:15 PM

The rehab part of Bynum's recovery will be very interesting once July gets here. I'm guessing his agent will be selling "no pain or swelling" to get the contract he is looking for.

Dirk's Knee · 04-16-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The rehab part of Bynum's recovery will be very interesting once July gets here. I'm guessing his agent will be selling "no pain or swelling" to get the contract he is looking for.

He won't get the contract he's looking for. Going to have to prove himself.

DGM · 04-16-2013, 01:55 PM

Practical targets are:
Center: Bynum or Pek
PG: Billups
SG: Ellis

Melonhead · 04-16-2013, 02:13 PM

"It's getting hard to tell whether Bynum is purposely toying with Sixers fans at this point. This comes on the heels of a report that Bynum won't give the team a discount in free agency, and it's pretty interesting to see a guy who hasn't played basketball this season and has no timetable to do so make contract demands for the following year. Bynum's agent said "I still feel like the ball is in their court," which is similar to what he said when Bynum was with the Lakers. As for Bynum, he famously remarked there is a bank in every city, so we have a strong feeling he'll go to the highest bidder. There are zero guarantees with Bynum's health, but he's two weeks into his rehab and hasn't experienced any pain or swelling in his knees."

Exact reason why i dont want this dude. About himself and no one else. Not a team oriented player. Cuban wont overpay for him anyway

Budapest Maverick · 04-16-2013, 02:15 PM

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We need to get more European players.

That could actually turn out to be a great idea. There are many very good players in Europe. Unfortunately, most of them has multi-year contracts, with no NBA out, unless they are very young, but then you have the NBA scale, and the buyout issues. Bo McCalebb for example, could be a borderline all-star player in the NBA, and there are many big man who could help us. But again, those contracts... It's not easy to sign real difference makers.

Budapest Maverick · 04-16-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The rehab part of Bynum's recovery will be very interesting once July gets here. I'm guessing his agent will be selling "no pain or swelling" to get the contract he is looking for.

They won't clown anybody if by that time Bynum is still fat.

SMC0007 · 04-16-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Practical targets are:
Center: Bynum or Pek
PG: Billups
SG: Ellis

Yummy.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Practical targets are:
Center: Bynum or Pek
PG: Billups
SG: Ellis

I've been back and forth between Ellis and Jennings interest-wise, but I think I prefer Ellis. He is a volume shooter and can turn it over, but he is a top 15 player when he is going. Plus, Jennings makes Roddy look strong. I don't think 160 pound guards will last long in this league. Ellis can also play pg in a pinch or if you need him to. His 17 assists against Atlanta was pretty impressive. Problem with those two guys though is that the Bucks suck ass and just got worse as the season went along. Not sure either are worth the price tag.

DGM · 04-16-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I've been back and forth between Ellis and Jennings interest-wise, but I think I prefer Ellis. He is a volume shooter and can turn it over, but he is a top 15 player when he is going. Plus, Jennings makes Roddy look strong. I don't think 160 pound guards will last long in this league. Ellis can also play pg in a pinch or if you need him to. His 17 assists against Atlanta was pretty impressive. Problem with those two guys though is that the Bucks suck ass and just got worse as the season went along. Not sure either are worth the price tag.

Ellis is Robin to Dirk's batman or vice versa. RC loves Billups and he would be great for DC/Roddy/Cunningham (2 of the three).

grndmstr_c · 04-16-2013, 04:46 PM

Ellis is such a puzzle to me when it comes to figuring out what his value would be to the Mavs. If you could tame his reliance on the pull-up jumper, even just a little, there are aspects of his game that I think would work really, really well with Dirk and Brandan, for example (Gortat, too, if the Mavs could pry him away from Phoenix). At the same time, though, his lack of size, defensive fundamentals and true point guard instincts really make him best suited to a super-sub + closer role, nobody's succeeded in getting him to chill on the volume shooter routine yet, and who knows what he's going to get paid.

Bayliss · 04-16-2013, 05:10 PM

Nevermind... wrong thread.

Bayliss · 04-16-2013, 05:12 PM

Oh and I hope like hell they don't get Bynum. I am sick of Laker POS. Between Odom and Fisher I am just tired of them all. And yeah that includes Howard (but Howard would NEVER come here so it doesn't matter).....

EricaLubarsky · 04-16-2013, 05:58 PM

Monta Ellis is trash. He can barely hit the three, shoots before passing and is unable to run simple plays. He's an upgrade on Collison, but not nearly enough to be considered a big offseason move.

grndmstr_c · 04-16-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Monta Ellis is trash. He can barely hit the three, shoots before passing and is unable to run simple plays. He's an upgrade on Collison, but not nearly enough to be considered a big offseason move.

I suspect you're dramatically underrating his ability to make effective use of screens on the offensive end.

nowhereman · 04-16-2013, 07:44 PM

There's no way Bynum's not getting paid. If no one else, Philly will put max/near max money on the table.

grndmstr_c · 04-16-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

There's no way Bynum's not getting paid. If no one else, Philly will put max/near max money on the table.

Depending on his medical evaluations, I suspect he'll get a pretty big three year deal with little to nothing guaranteed in years 2 and 3.

chumdawg · 04-16-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Well, at least I can respect your forthrightness.

You can't handle the truth!

DGM · 04-16-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Monta Ellis is trash. He can barely hit the three, shoots before passing and is unable to run simple plays. He's an upgrade on Collison, but not nearly enough to be considered a big offseason move.

He didn't look like trash vs. Mavs.

grndmstr_c · 04-16-2013, 09:11 PM

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He didn't look like trash vs. Mavs.

Mavs' defense this year maybe isn't the best barometer for how good a player is or ain't, though.

Sportstudi · 04-17-2013, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Monta Ellis is trash. He can barely hit the three, shoots before passing and is unable to run simple plays. He's an upgrade on Collison, but not nearly enough to be considered a big offseason move.

Couldn't agree more. Except for one standout season (07/08: .531) and one at least solid season (06/07: .475) his shooting has been absolutely meh to downright horrific (this season .416). His PER, TS%, WS/48 have been subpar as well. Yes, he can get hot, but IMO he takes way too many shots to do so and in my guts I have the feeling he would take the ball out of Dirk's hands in the final minutes of a game (like Mayo did this year) and try to play hero ball. As Erica stated, for a SG his shooting from downtown is just bad (career .318; this season .288).

No thanks, I don't want this guy in Dallas next season. And our perimeter defense this season has been utter trash. A grannie could have scored on us. I wouldn't call that a good indicator about how good/bad Ellis is.

JeffViggiano · 04-17-2013, 07:42 AM

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Couldn't agree more. Except for one standout season (07/08: .531) and one at least solid season (06/07: .475) his shooting has been absolutely meh to downright horrific (this season .416). His PER, TS%, WS/48 have been subpar as well. Yes, he can get hot, but IMO he takes way too many shots to do so and in my guts I have the feeling he would take the ball out of Dirk's hands in the final minutes of a game (like Mayo did this year) and try to play hero ball. As Erica stated, for a SG his shooting from downtown is just bad (career .318; this season .288).

No thanks, I don't want this guy in Dallas next season. And our perimeter defense this season has been utter trash. A grannie could have scored on us. I wouldn't call that a good indicator about how good/bad Ellis is.

ok that's good.

but...in this FA is there a really good SG?

Bayliss · 04-17-2013, 05:33 PM

Looks like Dirk will accompany the Mavs FO in making pitches to free agents. Glad to see Dirk take this step. He can be humble (and I love that about him) but since he is the face of the franchise on the court he needs to at least make an appearance to some of the big name free agents.

It may not always work. But it never hurts.

rabbitproof · 04-17-2013, 10:05 PM

I don't want Bynum at the price he wants. For 1/2 max, sure.

41mvp · 04-18-2013, 01:06 AM

Finally this terrible season is over. I hope we will back to the playoffs in the next season(without OJ.Mayo) He started this season very well but in the end he messed up. I hope Cuban see what i see and let him walk. And please no more Mike James this guy is one of the worst mavs player except Matt Carroll. So now is resting time and i hope Dirk will back strong in the next season.

Guys thanks for this season and in the next year we will fight for secound Dirk's championship.

Go Mavs

spreedom · 04-18-2013, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

Finally this terrible season is over. I hope we will back to the playoffs in the next season(without OJ.Mayo) He started this season very well but in the end he messed up. I hope Cuban see what i see and let him walk. And please no more Mike James this guy is one of the worst mavs player except Matt Carroll. So now is resting time and i hope Dirk will back strong in the next season.

Guys thanks for this season and in the next year we will fight for secound Dirk's championship.

Go Mavs

41mvp · 04-18-2013, 09:22 AM

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yeah and Lamar Odom

MavsFanTillDeath · 04-18-2013, 11:01 AM

C - Andrew Bynum | Brandan Wright
PF - Dirk Nowitzki | Elton Brand
SF - Shawn Marion | Paul Pierce
SG - Paul Pierce | Vince Carter | Anthony Morrow
PG - Chauncey Billups | Darren Collison

Trade for Paul Pierce, sign Chauncey Billups and Andrew Bynum. Paul Pierce still has a lot left in the tank, he would be a great 2nd option. our starting 5 would be old, but very experiencied also. 3 former Finals-MVPs in Dirk, Pierce and Chauncey...

GermanStandard · 04-18-2013, 11:49 AM

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C - Andrew Bynum | Brandan Wright
PF - Dirk Nowitzki | Elton Brand
SF - Shawn Marion | Paul Pierce
SG - Paul Pierce | Vince Carter | Anthony Morrow
PG - Chauncey Billups | Darren Collison

Trade for Paul Pierce, sign Chauncey Billups and Andrew Bynum. Paul Pierce still has a lot left in the tank, he would be a great 2nd option. our starting 5 would be old, but very experiencied also. 3 former Finals-MVPs in Dirk, Pierce and Chauncey...

So why should Pierce who has played his whole life with the Celtics just like Dirk in Dallas leave Boston and go to the Mavs who are not competing for a championship (until then Dirk and Pierce will be done)??

I think Pierce will stay with Boston until the end of his career just like Dirk will do with the Mavs.

Twenty4sevenn · 04-18-2013, 12:19 PM

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So why should Pierce who has played his whole life with the Celtics just like Dirk in Dallas leave Boston and go to the Mavs who are not competing for a championship (until then Dirk and Pierce will be done)??

I think Pierce will stay with Boston until the end of his career just like Dirk will do with the Mavs.

If he's under contract, it doesn't really matter what he wants. It's what the Celtics want. And clearly they are open to it, considering we were extremely close to landing him at the trade deadline.

nowhereman · 04-18-2013, 02:23 PM

I can hardly think of a less astute move than signing Chauncey Billups as our starting PG.