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yahyes · 06-21-2013, 04:19 PM

I think our chances talking to Paul just got better. Now that Doc will most likely not leave Boston.

Rick Carlisle > Briand Shaw and Lionel Hollins combined

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Woj says Rivers to LAC is dead (again):

Clippers must not seem to understand that they have no leverage in this situation.

LonghornDub · 06-21-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

I think our chances talking to Paul just got better. Now that Doc will most likely not leave Boston.

Rick Carlisle > Briand Shaw and Lionel Hollins combined

CP3 to Dallas is a lock, so don't worry about percentages. Just bask in the glory.

rabbitproof · 06-21-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Clippers must not seem to understand that they have no leverage in this situation.

Except that Boston doesn't want a super unmotivated Doc.

DirkFTW · 06-21-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Clippers must not seem to understand that they have no leverage in this situation.

Sure they do: beach houses!

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 06-21-2013, 05:25 PM

I'm going to be honest I can't stand Chris Paul, I virtually hate the guy, I think he's a punk. Ever since he punched Julius Hodge intentionally in the nuts in college I've disliked him.

With that being said if he becomes a Mav and his presence somehow gives us a chance to make a run at a ring I'll support him. It will be tough, but today I thought on it and thought on it after watching the Finals and I even commented on it last night. Dirk didn't scare in the face of the Heat. I want another chance to beat those guys in the Finals. I want Dirk to be remembered as the guy that stopped LeBron twice!

So at this point whatever it takes!

Bayliss · 06-21-2013, 05:36 PM

The Mavs aren't getting Paul.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Except that Boston doesn't want a super unmotivated Doc.

Why would it matter if he is planning to retire? And if he stays, well you still have a top 5 coach.

DavidDaMonkey · 06-21-2013, 06:28 PM

I thought the whole issue was that CP3 didn't want a white coach. Wasn't that a thing at some point? That's one area in which Lionel Hollins will always prevail over Rick.

Underdog · 06-21-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The Mavs aren't getting Paul.

I like how you went out on a limb there... Ballsy.

LonghornDub · 06-21-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The Mavs aren't getting Paul.

Wrong.

Bayliss · 06-21-2013, 09:17 PM

At least you admit it longhorn... that is the first step to recovery.

DirkFTW · 06-21-2013, 10:52 PM

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I thought the whole issue was that CP3 didn't want a white coach. Wasn't that a thing at some point? That's one area in which Lionel Hollins will always prevail over Rick.

Nothing a little Kirk Lazarus magic can't fix!

SMC0007 · 06-21-2013, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

I'm going to be honest I can't stand Chris Paul, I virtually hate the guy, I think he's a punk. Ever since he punched Julius Hodge intentionally in the nuts in college I've disliked him.

With that being said if he becomes a Mav and his presence somehow gives us a chance to make a run at a ring I'll support him. It will be tough, but today I thought on it and thought on it after watching the Finals and I even commented on it last night. Dirk didn't scare in the face of the Heat. I want another chance to beat those guys in the Finals. I want Dirk to be remembered as the guy that stopped LeBron twice!

So at this point whatever it takes!

This. For the most part. I have similar feelings towards D.Howard too.

Underdog · 06-22-2013, 12:38 AM

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Cavs trying to get Shawn Marion?

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Sources tell SheridanHoops.com the Cavs are in serious discussions to acquire Shawn Marion from Dallas in a lopsided trade that would allow them to move up from No. 19 to No. 13 in the first round by relieving the Mavs of Marion’s $9.3 million salary, allowing Mark Cuban more salary cap flexibility to use on July 1.

This would allow us to sign Howard or Paul outright, and then some... Getting two max contracts would still be a stretch, but shedding Marion's salary would at least allow us to put a team around one max guy... Or we could get two near-max guys (Ellis & Bynum, for example). We'd have a lot of options with only ~$32mil on the books - Dirk, Carter, Cunningham, Crowder, #19 pick, seven cap holds.

That's ~$26mil of cap space to play with.

LonghornDub · 06-22-2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

At least you admit it longhorn... that is the first step to recovery.

Listen brotato, don't try to flip this around. You're the one who's gonna look silly when CP3 and Dwight are both wearing blue and white.

LonghornDub · 06-22-2013, 01:07 AM

Not that this should come as any surprise, but Woj is now also reporting that CP3 is "unhappy" about the Doc situation:

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Free-agent star Chris Paul pushed the Clippers to hire Rivers as coach, but will have to settle for Lionel Hollins, Brian Shaw or Byron Scott if he plans to re-sign with Los Angeles in July. Paul is unhappy with the fallout over the failed deal, sources told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--so...011756057.html

Underdog · 06-22-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Not that this should come as any surprise, but Woj is now also reporting that CP3 is "unhappy" about the Doc situation:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--so...011756057.html

Some big market owners in this league are "Mark Cubans", while others are "Donald Sterlings" -- archetypes stem from truth.

yahyes · 06-22-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Not that this should come as any surprise, but Woj is now also reporting that CP3 is "unhappy" about the Doc situation:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--so...011756057.html

As he should be. July 1st is almost here.

FreshJive · 06-22-2013, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Not that this should come as any surprise, but Woj is now also reporting that CP3 is "unhappy" about the Doc situation:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--so...011756057.html

So is it true that Paul only wants a black coach or is Sterling projecting his racism onto Paul, thinking that this how he gets him to sign?

mavs777 · 06-22-2013, 02:10 AM

sheridan sports is a hack website full of hack writers

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-22-2013, 08:12 AM

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This would allow us to sign Howard or Paul outright, and then some... Getting two max contracts would still be a stretch, but shedding Marion's salary would at least allow us to put a team around one max guy... Or we could get two near-max guys (Ellis & Bynum, for example). We'd have a lot of options with only ~$32mil on the books - Dirk, Carter, Cunningham, Crowder, #19 pick, seven cap holds.

That's ~$26mil of cap space to play with.

I'd really hate to lose Marion that way and hope he opts out instead. A rumor like this does make a little sense though since we dealt with Cleveland last draft. I'd hope they'd give us at least one of their two second round picks as well.

BGMaverick9 · 06-22-2013, 09:25 AM

It sounds like the market for Marion might not actually be that "shallow". I am still skeptical that he actually gets traded at the draft. Trading him does free up cap space, but it does take away an asset that you would use for a s-n-t.

bobdole22 · 06-22-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The Mavs aren't getting Paul.

This is a very profound post. I mean I agree with you, but it seems like you are just out to troll people and get someone to argue with you. Which none of us will because we are sad about it.

CanadianMavsFan · 06-22-2013, 11:13 AM

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It sounds like the market for Marion might not actually be that "shallow". I am still skeptical that he actually gets traded at the draft. Trading him does free up cap space, but it does take away an asset that you would use for a s-n-t.

I'm actually really going to miss Shawn if/when he departs. I love his effort, his defense, and the love he has for Dallas. Plus one of the last remnants of the title team.

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 06-22-2013, 11:39 AM

Mavs need to do that trade now if true. It's good for both teams.

mac222b · 06-22-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidDaMonkey

I thought the whole issue was that CP3 didn't want a white coach. Wasn't that a thing at some point? That's one area in which Lionel Hollins will always prevail over Rick.

Debatable...

mac222b · 06-22-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It sounds like the market for Marion might not actually be that "shallow". I am still skeptical that he actually gets traded at the draft. Trading him does free up cap space, but it does take away an asset that you would use for a s-n-t.

I agree. It just doesnt make much sense to trade him and take away all possibilty of sign and trade

mac222b · 06-22-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'd really hate to lose Marion that way and hope he opts out instead. A rumor like this does make a little sense though since we dealt with Cleveland last draft. I'd hope they'd give us at least one of their two second round picks as well.

I dont see why the Mavs do this deal unless they are getting those 2nd rd. picks too. Its not like Marion's contract is an albatross.

I mean teams recently were able to dump Joe Johnson and freaking Rudy Gay man. Different circumstances, but still. Cavs get to move up 6 spots and get the guy they covet AND receive a valuable, versatile player with an expiring contract that could be flipped at the deadline no problem if they so desire?

mac222b · 06-22-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

This would allow us to sign Howard or Paul outright, and then some... Getting two max contracts would still be a stretch, but shedding Marion's salary would at least allow us to put a team around one max guy... Or we could get two near-max guys (Ellis & Bynum, for example). We'd have a lot of options with only ~$32mil on the books - Dirk, Carter, Cunningham, Crowder, #19 pick, seven cap holds.

That's ~$26mil of cap space to play with.

If a draft day deal involving Marion does go down it would bode well for the Mavs having a "promise" from one of the big free-agents, IMO. Dwight and Monta? Why else give away a productive player with expiring contract and drop down in the draft unless there is a BETTER use for that $ being freed up. I dont see MBT shipping off MArion and draft position for more powder.

Dirk's contract not having an out this summer is what's keeping us from being the overwhelming favorite to form our very own "super team". I know having your superstar locked up is great but its a pretty big oversight by Donnie, with foreknowledge that a new CBA was looming and flexibility would be key. Or maybe they hadn't formulated that far in advance at that point, idk. An extra 12 million would solve all problems right about now.

MavsFTR · 06-22-2013, 11:30 PM

If we manage to shed Marion, would we be able to sign two max deals?

Underdog · 06-22-2013, 11:48 PM

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If we manage to shed Marion, would we be able to sign two max deals?

We'd have about $26m in cap space, max is in the $16m-$20m range.

Underdog · 06-22-2013, 11:58 PM

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Pelicans Near Deal For Dallas Mavericks Shawn Marion, 13th Pick?

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Although Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said just days ago that they had not had a single conversation about trading the 13th overall pick in this week’s 2013 NBA Draft, pretty much everybody knew that was a load of crap.

The Mavericks have been literally asking teams to take the #13 pick along with Marion’s contract and despite not finding many suitors, ask around enough and you might get lucky.

According to a report from Fletcher Mackel, the Mavericks and New Orleans Pelicans might be nearing a draft night trade.

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@FletcherMackel ‏REPORT don’t be surprised if Pelicans acquire 13th pk from Mavs, select Giannis Adetokunbo. NOLA also gets Shawn Marion, send Mavs future pk

It’s been reported that the Mavericks also asked the Cleveland Cavaliers to take Marion along with the #13 pick and a future second rounder, but were denied when the Mavs requested a future first round pick in return.

The Mavericks are hoping to clear Marion’s salary along with the guaranteed contract of a first round pick so they will have enough cap space to sign either Dwight Howard and/or Chris Paul.

Game on?

yahyes · 06-23-2013, 12:42 AM

Damn. Wonder what we'd get in return from New Orleans. Would they give us their 6th pick? I'd take it.

DavidDaMonkey · 06-23-2013, 09:09 AM

I just keep going back to the fact that Cubes and Donnie and not dumb people. They wouldn't be working so hard to dump one of our first lottery picks in years and a player that can still contribute if they didn't think there will be something big this summer that is a viable option.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2013, 09:23 AM

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Game on?

Wouldn't it be awesome if we moved up to 6 to grab Burke? There were rumors that he could fall if the Pelicans didn't select him. Why not just be sure to get him? Hey, I'm feeling optimistic today!

BPo001 · 06-23-2013, 10:09 AM

We aren't moving up in the draft. The whole idea of trading the pick is to create cap room. The source said Mavs would get future pick.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 06-23-2013, 11:31 AM

If that happens, the Dwight/Monta combo is interesting. I know there have been articles recently (can't recall where) noting that they are friends and have expressed an interest in playing together. I guess they'd each have to take a slight paycut - perhaps ~ $17 for DH and ~$9 for Ellis - for it to work?

I'm not, however, sure how well their games fit with each other. DH thrives w/ 3-point shooters, and Ellis is one of the worst in the business with that. DH is not good with the pick-and-roll either, another ME strength. ME thrives on getting into the paint, but that paint would be pretty clogged with Dwight camped out in there.

I'm not the X's and O's expert that others on here are, and so would be interested in some thoughts. It's hypothetical for sure, but hopefully some insightful NBA chatter during the summer.

FINtastic · 06-23-2013, 11:47 AM

Yeah...I'd rather let some other team overpay for Monta Ellis.

EricaLubarsky · 06-23-2013, 11:58 AM

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Damn. Wonder what we'd get in return from New Orleans. Would they give us their 6th pick? I'd take it.

The pick they are trading is next year or the year after, and it sounds like it would have some protections on it-- like top 12 protected which-- knowing the Pelicans-- might mean we never see our pick again.