The"Crap, it didn't happen..but it was awesome to think of" thread

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I think he's a legit starting PG with All-Star potential. Definitely not in the elite class with but a cut below (5-10 range). Thinking of the Dallas version of Nash. That's worth 10 to me.

I don't disagree with your assessment of his skills. I really like his game. But given the context of the Mavs roster and what he's asking for (apparently 10), I think you have to try to get him for a bit lower than that.

If push came to shove, I'd probably bite it and sign him for 10. But I'd try as all hell to cut it down a bit. Every million matters right now.

[BGMaverick9]

Lots of moving parts, but I still find it hard to believe Deron doesn't make a decision today. What happens if he says, I'm not sure and it's time to go to Team USA camp. Injuries can happen in a split second and that could derail him. It's too much of a risk to really just leave that hanging out there. I still think he makes a decision before he leaves for that camp.

[roadrunner]

Originally Posted by mavs777

That's irrelevant, where do you want him to work out while he is in the area? At a random park? Lebron was playing at cleveland facility as well, and many other free agents do the same, that means exactly nothing.

It could mean something, we just dont know yet. It could mean he is saying goodbye to his former teammates for all we know? It could mean he is just working out and still hasnt made a decision. I agree with you tho that this is not a foregone conclusion he is staying with Nets

[oilfieldtrash]

Dragic 9, West 4
Carter 3, Cunningham 1
Marion 9, Croeder 1
Dirk 20, ?
Wright 2, Benard James 1
About 10 mil to fill out the roster. Just guessing on some of those numbers.

Please feel free to correct numbers or add players.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Dragic 9, West 4
Carter 3, Cunningham 1
Marion 9, Croeder 1
Dirk 20, ?
Wright 2, Benard James 1
About 10 mil to fill out the roster. Just guessing on some of those numbers.

Please feel free to correct numbers or add players.

Shouldn't have to pay West that much. But otherwise, this isn't terrible.

And like thiggy said, they could make a run at Dwight next summer if he makes ti that far.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Deron > Wade.

Wade is on his way down. Deron is peaking.

Bosh <> Joe IMO but I suspect I am in a minority.

Plus, the fit works much better for Dwight/Deron/Joe.

This is laughable

2011-2012
Wade:
PPG: 22.1
RPG: 4.8
APG: 4.6
TO: 2.6
STL: 1.7
BPG: 1.3
TS %: 55.9

Deron:
PPG: 21
RPG: 3
APG: 8.7
TO: 4
STL: 1.2
BLK: .4
TS %: 52.7

And how does the fit work better? There is a reason they call him iso Joe, he pounds the ball like crazy.

[Underdog]

Ken Berger: The Nets will use the non-taxpayer mid-level to sign Bosnian Mirza Teletovic: 3 years, $15.675M. Means no mid-level for Jason Kidd

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[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I don't disagree with your assessment of his skills. I really like his game. But given the context of the Mavs roster and what he's asking for (apparently 10), I think you have to try to get him for a bit lower than that.

If push came to shove, I'd probably bite it and sign him for 10. But I'd try as all hell to cut it down a bit. Every million matters right now.

I'm with you on the #s. 8 would be a steal IMO and I wouldn't go above 11.

However, I do think this is a seller's market. There are more PG suitors (Tor, NYK, BKN, Miami, Dallas, Phoenix) than legit starters (Deron, Nash, Dragic, probably Lin). I think Kidd is done as a starter.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Underdog

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Kidd was never going there, IMO. Kidd voluntarily playing for Avery again is about as likely as me making the roster of the Pismo Beach Panthers.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

. Kidd's boom boom max out dwindles

That's an interesting nugget. Money starts to dry up for him, one way or another, if he wants to play with either Dallas or Brooklyn.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by mavs777

This is laughable

2011-2012
Wade:
PPG: 22.1
RPG: 4.8
APG: 4.6
TO: 2.6
STL: 1.7
BPG: 1.3
TS %: 55.9

Deron:
PPG: 21
RPG: 3
APG: 8.7
TO: 4
STL: 1.2
BLK: .4
TS %: 52.7

Who were their teammates again? Are you comparing MarShon Brooks and Kris Humphries to LeBron James and Chris Bosh?

Wade is an 30-31 year old who just had knee surgery and relies on explosion. Deron can run a team.

[rabbitproof]

Who the heck is Televotic?

Is he any good?

[rabbitproof]

Apparently, the Bosnian dude is repped by DWill's agent.

Pulling a Ben Rogers, I'm at 1%.

[LonghornDub]

I don't see why we're even bothering to compare stats on Wade and Deron. One is considerably younger, and the other's biggest strength isn't his pure stats, but that he has a history of playing incredibly well in the biggest of games (although that trend was bucked at times these past playoffs).

I don't think we gain much by just listing their stats side by side and talking about it. Just me.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Apparently, the Bosnian dude is repped by DWill's agent.

Pulling a Ben Rogers, I'm at 1%.

I don't see why that means anything.

[roadrunner]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Lstening to Haywood on Ben and Skin now is interesting...

Jeff Caplan:BHaywood says Joe Johnson trade was "an excellent move for them."1 minute ago

SMC, any more nuggets of info from this you can share for those of us that cant tune in?

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't see why that means anything.

Yeah, what is that all about? Caplan had the same reaction on twitter. I don't see why that matters one bit.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, what is that all about? Caplan had the same reaction on twitter. I don't see why that matters one bit.

Well Caplan is clueless, I expect things like that from him.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't see why that means anything.

Maybe I'm overrating the power of agents but it's almost a we'll do you a small solid if you can help us out. I say this without knowing anything about Telectovic as a player. Perhaps he's the next coming?

3/16M is solid JET/Ray Allen coin.

If the agent is only out for cash, he should be pushing for Dwill to sign in BKN anyways.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Who were their teammates again? Are you comparing MarShon Brooks and Kris Humphries to LeBron James and Chris Bosh?

Wade is an 30-31 year old who just had knee surgery and relies on explosion. Deron can run a team.

Wade scored more effeciently on almost the same usage rate. It's not even close, Deron was in 3 of the 10 worst defensive lineups in the NBA, that isn't to say Deron is bad he obviously is a really good player but Wade is still a top 5 player. And in no way did I compare teammates, people send doubles at wade and lebron all the time.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by roadrunner

Jeff Caplan:BHaywood says Joe Johnson trade was "an excellent move for them."1 minute ago

SMC, any more nuggets of info from this you can share for those of us that cant tune in?

I don't remember everything but he was amazed that NJ managed to keep Marshon Brooks in the Atl deal.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by roadrunner

Jeff Caplan:BHaywood says Joe Johnson trade was "an excellent move for them."1 minute ago

SMC, any more nuggets of info from this you can share for those of us that cant tune in?

It just shows that NBA players are clueless about what a good GM does, nothing else.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I don't remember everything but he was amazed that NJ managed to keep Marshon Brooks in the Atl deal.

You mean the scrub who only shoots a lot and does nothing else well? Amazing they were able to keep him while taking on the worst contract in the NBA, what a coup for Atlanta.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, what is that all about? Caplan had the same reaction on twitter. I don't see why that matters one bit.

I don't think it has anything to do with the Deron thing, but I do think it pumps up the stock for Schwartz.

[rabbitproof]

We keep saying "this is how Deron/player should think" rather than understanding how DWill will think.

Obviously, it'd be great to get Deron to think long term, like a savvy GM, but his prerogatives are different. To get him on our side, it'd be easier to meet his views than to change them (not saying it's the right move, just that it'd be more helpful to get him on our side). Like Longhorn said earlier, just another interesting "human observation" through this process.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by mavs777

You mean the scrub who only shoots a lot and does nothing else well? Amazing they were able to keep him while taking on the worst contract in the NBA, what a coup for Atlanta.

Don't forget they sent out their #1 pick.

This will end up being the worst NBA trade in NBA history.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Joe Johnson an excellent move? Really Haywood? I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that.

[roadrunner]

Originally Posted by mavs777

It just shows that NBA players are clueless about what a good GM does, nothing else.

Yeah, cant disagree with that even though Im still holding out hope that Deron isnt that clueless in regards to JJ.

[LonghornDub]

I think thiggy is correct on twitter. Offering Teletovic the full MLE imposes a hard cap on the Nets that should make a Howard trade essentially impossible.

[alby]

Let's not compare Deron and Wade or a potential Nets Big 3 versus the Heat Big 3.

I don't want a thread in the "General Mavs Discussion" to go towards that direction. And frankly, it pisses me off / makes me sad / disappoints me knowing that it would mean the Mavericks failed to acquire anyone.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Joe Johnson an excellent move? Really Haywood? I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that.

As Skin has been saying for days, players don't look at cap implications. They just look at the player. And JJ is a really good player.

[alby]

The significance of this latest signing is that it takes Kidd out of the discussion. If Deron and Jason were really serious about playing together, this basically ends that dream.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Fisher's twit is pretty funny...

mike fisher ‏@fishsports
My understanding is that Dwight Howard has been living in LA this summer. U know what that means?!!

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Fisher's twit is pretty funny...

I really wish Fish wouldn't be so damn relentless in his homerism. He's fairly clever on occasion (despite being a huge dork), but sometimes it's hard to follow him because everything he writes tends to have this ridiculous pro-Mavs slant.

I find myself wishing that a guy with his connections and sources would tone it down a bit. Of course, I don't mind that he's a Mavs fan.

[alby]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I really wish Fish wouldn't be so damn relentless in his homerism. He's fairly clever on occasion (despite being a huge dork), but sometimes it's hard to follow him because everything he writes tends to have this ridiculous pro-Mavs slant.

I find myself wishing that a guy with his connections and sources would tone it down a bit. Of course, I don't mind that he's a Mavs fan.

Agreed. To be honest, it's annoying.

[rabbitproof]

PPG: 22.1
RPG: 4.8
APG: 4.6
TO: 2.6
STL: 1.7
BPG: 1.3
TS %: 55.9
Season played: 75%

PPG: 18.8
RPG: 3.7
APG: 3.9
TO: 1.9
STL: .8
BPG: .2
TS %: 55.7
Season played: 91%

JJ is not that bad.

[rabbitproof]

The MLE should kill the Howard move actually. Unless they are going to be paying obscene LT.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

The MLE should kill the Howard move actually. Unless they are going to be paying obscene LT.

Well that's the thing, if they use the non-Tax MLE, they can't pay LT this season. They give themselves a hard cap of 74Mil in payroll.

[alby]

@ZachLowe_SI Assuming $9M for Crash: Crash + D-Will + D12 + Teletovic (full MLE) + Johnson=approx $70.46M. Not sure that's workable w/ $74M hard cap.

[Murphy3]

Fisher used to post here on this board...but, he was run off.