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sefant77 · 07-09-2009, 11:43 PM

It was my quote-fail, cadbane was adressed, not you

Nowitzki4President · 07-09-2009, 11:48 PM

After this trade happened, I watched shows like Around the Horn and PTI, and what not. And first of all, I'd like to comment about how this trade got barely any coverage at all. And secondly...

How come we don't get any damned respect?

We have a line up of Gortat/Dirk/Marion/Josh/Kidd and a bench of JET/JJB/Damp/Beaubois/Bass?/Humphries/Ross

And the commentators and columnists are saying things like "Oh, they're a 5th seed at best", "They can't beat the Spurs", "I'd put LA, SA, Denver, and Portland above them"

Give me a freakin' break.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-09-2009, 11:53 PM

I see LA as being our only real competition we have all the right piece to over take Denver now. We dominated San Antonio in the playoffs I do not see that they have done anything that now makes them better then us and let's face it Portland is a young team still looking to find their way.

sike · 07-09-2009, 11:58 PM

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I see LA as being our only real competition we have all the right piece to over take Denver now. We dominated San Antonio in the playoffs I do not see that they have done anything that now makes them better then us and let's face it Portland is a young team still looking to find their way.

ehhhhh...a healthy SA and Denver would be plenty of "competition"...

chumdawg · 07-09-2009, 11:59 PM

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yeah...you'll have to forgive my attempt at humor.

Yeah, it's really funny...until someone gets an eye put out.

CadBane · 07-09-2009, 11:59 PM

Dirk is not going to be playing 34 minutes a game, regardless if you think it would be for the best or not. It just won't happen. I'll personally kill three board members of your choice if it does.

sike · 07-09-2009, 11:59 PM

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Yeah, it's really funny...until someone gets an eye put out.

and then...?

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:00 AM

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Dirk is not going to be playing 34 minutes a game, regardless if you think it would be for the best or not. It just won't happen. I'll personally kill three board members of your choice if it does.

sigh...could be.

dude1394 · 07-10-2009, 12:01 AM

In the immortal words of litty nickey and now jerry stackhouse.....f'em. F'em up good.

Nowitzki4President · 07-10-2009, 12:03 AM

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ehhhhh...a healthy SA and Denver would be plenty of "competition"...

Us > Portland in 5-6 game series

Us > Denver in 6

Us > Healthy SA 6-7 (Duncans not what he used to be, not sure how Manu will recover, and Dice is no greater than Thomas. Only difference really is RJ, and I think we can handle him)

Us> Everyone else that LA

LA, we'd have to fight the crap outta that series. We have the ability to beat them, no doubt. It'll just be REALLY hard.

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2009, 12:15 AM

Frickin' n00bs.

I'm as happy about the trade as anyone, but acting like the Mavs have so surpassed SA, Den, and Portland that their only competition in the West is LA is naivete on par with believing in Santa Claus into your teenage years.

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 12:16 AM

I honestly don't care if media ignores us, that will make this year that much sweeter

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:17 AM

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Frickin' n00bs.

I'm as happy about the trade as anyone, but acting like the Mavs have so surpassed SA, Den, and Portland that their only competition in the West is LA is naivete on par with believing in Santa Claus into your teenage years.

shut up, you!! They just convinced me!!!

chumdawg · 07-10-2009, 12:23 AM

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Frickin' n00bs.

I'm as happy about the trade as anyone, but acting like the Mavs have so surpassed SA, Den, and Portland that their only competition in the West is LA is naivete on par with believing in Santa Claus into your teenage years.

How would you quantify it, then? You seem to suggest that it is quantifiable.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-10-2009, 12:23 AM

Actually I been here for over a year I just sometimes get over excited but, I do believe we are better then a San Antonio team that is aging. People want to talk about the age of the Mavericks when San Antonio roster on average is much older then ours.

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 12:24 AM

I don't see much portland as competition, below average play at pg and not much scoring on the block will give them about the 6th seed and another first round exit

BGMaverick9 · 07-10-2009, 12:25 AM

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I don't see much portland as competition, below average play at pg and not much scoring on the block will give them about the 6th seed and another first round exit

ESPN has Portland as close to getting Hinrich btw

Mavsfan4ever · 07-10-2009, 12:26 AM

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ESPN has Portland as close to getting Hinrich btw

Will be interesting to see how much better he makes Portland.

BGMaverick9 · 07-10-2009, 12:28 AM

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Will be interesting to see how much better he makes Portland.

I guess it depends on if you view him as a below average PG or not haha.

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:29 AM

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I guess it depends on if you view him as a below average PG or not haha.

better than Blake...much how much better is the team when Kirk takes the ball out of Roy's hands?

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 12:29 AM

Hinrich would improve portland slightly, steve blake should be an 8th man, hinrich is a solid defensive player that could do ok as a starter but is more valuable off bench at 1 and 2 as defensive stopper

Mavsfan4ever · 07-10-2009, 12:30 AM

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I guess it depends on if you view him as a below average PG or not haha.

Anyone know his stats form last season? I sure would not mind them getting a below average PG.

BGMaverick9 · 07-10-2009, 12:31 AM

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better than Blake...much how much better is the team when Kirk takes the ball out of Roy's hands?

I don't think you necessarily change the philosophy of the offense because you add Hinrich. You just have a better person filling the role opposed to what you originally had, making it an overall improvement.

eyedentifyme · 07-10-2009, 12:33 AM

This offseason has been a success with the re-signing of Kidd, addition of Marion, and the addition of Gortat. We are back to being able to compete with the top four teams in the Western Conference even if we didn't acquire or trade for a SG that fits the description of what a SG is and should do. Josh can play SG on offense/SF on defense while Kidd and Marion can share time guarding SGs or PGs on defense.

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:34 AM

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I don't think you necessarily change the philosophy of the offense because you add Hinrich. You just have a better person filling the role opposed to what you originally had, making it an overall improvement.

its gonna change simply for the fact that Hinrich will take tons of shots that Blake wouldn't have taken...shots that Roy was getting but now will not.

Dont get me wrong, Roy will get his...but I could see them needing an extended adjustment period...

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:35 AM

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We are back to being able to compete with the top four teams in the Western Conference

We beat the #3 seeded team last year.

Plus...I'm pretty sure the Mavs will be one of the 4 best teams in the West...which poses the difficult question: Could Dallas beat Dallas in a best of 7 playoff series? I say, YES!

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 12:36 AM

Hinrich is best off ball because of his lack of quickness and finishing ability

badfish22 · 07-10-2009, 12:37 AM

We could be better than S.A. but you have to remember, we have NO answer to Tony Parker. He killed us last series and add Ginobli and Jefferson to that and they are plenty of "competition".
But if L.A. resigns Odom we are just not on there level. L.A. is stacked right now and having Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Odom, and Bynum on the same team is almost unfair.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-10-2009, 12:41 AM

If we were some how to make it to the WCF's and face the Lakers then beat them I would (I don't understand that certain words are not allowed) a brick. I honestly believe we can hang with the rest of the WC this season LA, however, will be trouble for everyone.

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 12:43 AM

Well if we make 1 more move and it is right move, gortat and marion work out, if we play La in west title, anything can happen. A lot of this will be on how motivated jho and how he keepos his focus and stops smoking with Green at the half

Mavsfan4ever · 07-10-2009, 12:50 AM

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If we were some how to make it to the WCF's and face the Lakers then beat them I would (I don't understand that certain words are not allowed) a brick. I honestly believe we can hang with the rest of the WC this season LA, however, will be trouble for everyone.

Sorry had a bunch going on at one time I'll remember next time.

badfish22 · 07-10-2009, 12:57 AM

I read this on another board and thought it was very interesting. This guy makes a very strong argument against trading howard for a starting 2 guard.

Looking at the roster there seems to be a natural rotation built in. Howard starting at the 2, rolling over to the 3 when Marion is out or backing up at the 4 spot. If we go out and get a traditional #2 we'll be losing our back-up behind Marion which would create a negative domino down the roster. In my opinion the strength in the way they have put this roster together is every position has a strong backup (except PG which does worry me). Howard/Terry, Marion/Howard, Dirk/Marion, Gortat/Damp.....swap out Redd or Johnson for Howard and you get....Redd/Terry, Marion/Ross, Dirk/Marion, Gortat/Damp.....is swapping out Howard for a "true" number 2 really worth losing the depth behind Marion in the rotation at the 3?

He is right in a way. If we trade Howard it needs to be for a guy who mainly plays shooting guard but has the hight to slide over to small foward.

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 12:58 AM

I say we need another black player to have a more balenced team

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:59 AM

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He is right in a way. If we trade Howard it needs to be for a guy who mainly plays shooting guard but has the hight to slide over to small foward.

If we trade Howard it better be for a Stud SG.

That is all.

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:00 AM

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I say we need another black player to have a more balenced team

race humor wins friends and influences people?

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2009, 01:02 AM

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How would you quantify it, then? You seem to suggest that it is quantifiable.

Team by team, here are my thoughts:

SA - I thought the RJ acquisition was a very strong one for them. He'll be asked to provide another scoring threat for them in the half-court, get out on the break when the opportunity arises, and play system defense, all of which I think he can do. Part of what made the series against them so lopsided last season was the fact that Parker was pretty well punched out by the time the fourth quarter rolled around. RJ will make them tougher down the stretch simply by virtue of his ability to put points on the board earlier in games. They're still thin in the frontcourt, but McDyess' athleticism will give them a dimension there that they've lacked in previous seasons. What they end up being really depends on Ginobli, though. If he's healthy I think they can push the Lakers, so of course I think they'd be a tough out for the Mavs. Dallas would have to (and could) win it on their superior frontcourt size/depth and the opportunistic use of the Marion/Dirk pairing. I think JJB continues to be effective against them, as well, if he doesn't get traded. It'd have 7 games written all over it, though.

Denver - they kicked our butts last year, and the guys who played the biggest role in making that happen are all going to be back. That said, I like Dallas' chances against the Nugs because I think the additions to Dallas' roster this offseason were pretty much perfect for addressing the issues the Mavs have had with athletic teams like Denver. I'd think this would be the easiest of the three series, and the only one in which there was a realistic shot for it to be over in 5.

Portland - they got a taste of the playoffs last year, are young enough that they should be able to count on some internal growth, and still haven't made their summer move. They'll get a quality player without having to give anything up, and they'll be a step up from where they were last season. I think Portland is more problematic than Denver assuming a Hinrich-level acquisition. Aldridge would probably be the third best player on the floor, and Roy's good enough to dictate some backcourt defense for offense substitutions that probably wouldn't be Dallas's first choice, but I'm still inclined to pick the Mavs over them on account of the breadth of game-changing talent Dallas possesses. 6 or 7 games.

CadBane · 07-10-2009, 01:04 AM

Kirk is a really underrated player, I like him a lot. That would be a nice pick-up for Portland.

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 01:05 AM

Jho needs another friend to keep him focused that is all

mavs777 · 07-10-2009, 01:10 AM

I think denver losing daughntey jones is underrated he was denvers best 1 on 1 defender

chumdawg · 07-10-2009, 01:13 AM

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Team by team, here are my thoughts:

SA - I thought the RJ acquisition was a very strong one for them. He'll be asked to provide another scoring threat for them in the half-court, get out on the break when the opportunity arises, and play system defense, all of which I think he can do. Part of what made the series against them so lopsided last season was the fact that Parker was pretty well punched out by the time the fourth quarter rolled around. RJ will make them tougher down the stretch simply by virtue of his ability to put points on the board earlier in games. They're still thin in the frontcourt, but McDyess' athleticism will give them a dimension there that they've lacked in previous seasons. What they end up being really depends on Ginobli, though. If he's healthy I think they can push the Lakers, so of course I think they'd be a tough out for the Mavs. Dallas would have to (and could) win it on their superior frontcourt size/depth and the opportunistic use of the Marion/Dirk pairing. I think JJB continues to be effective against them, as well, if he doesn't get traded. It'd have 7 games written all over it, though.

Denver - they kicked our butts last year, and the guys who played the biggest role in making that happen are all going to be back. That said, I like Dallas' chances against the Nugs because I think the additions to Dallas' roster this offseason were pretty much perfect for addressing the issues the Mavs have had with athletic teams like Denver. I'd think this would be the easiest of the three series, and the only one in which there was a realistic shot for it to be over in 5.

Portland - they got a taste of the playoffs last year, are young enough that they should be able to count on some internal growth, and still haven't made their summer move. They'll get a quality player without having to give anything up, and they'll be a step up from where they were last season. I think Portland is more problematic than Denver assuming a Hinrich-level acquisition. Aldridge would probably be the third best player on the floor, and Roy's good enough to dictate some backcourt defense for offense substitutions that probably wouldn't be Dallas's first choice, but I'm still inclined to pick the Mavs over them on account of the breadth of game-changing talent Dallas possesses. 6 or 7 games.

I thought your claim may have been that it's too close to call, thus making a stake to superiority naive. The argument you put forward here makes a claim to superiority something very, very less than naive.

On the Spurs, Dallas handled them already, and they seem to have at the very least negated the Jefferson acquisition.

On Denver...I agree that the Mavs have addressed the issues that cost them that series last spring. Not to mention that they haven't at all moved forward.

Portland...not proving worthy of comment yet.

The idea that the Marion grab vaunts us ahead of some rivals...I can't see why that would be characterized as naive. Hell, we did it for a reason, right?