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DevinHarriswillstart · 06-17-2021, 04:22 PM

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Yes sir

Best news of day

It was about time because I think he simply got tuned out by the players

I think rumors about Luka and him were true and they just tried to keep it under the rug

And this makes it kinda annoying that everyone blames this all on Cuban.

Rick and Donnie had their own hands firmly on the self destruct button. If it wasn't going to happen this summer, then next summer for sure if the team didn't do well.

I mean shit, Cuban was INSANELY loyal to them through thick and thin. If you want to blame Cuban for anything, I think it would be that he held onto them for too long.

All of this happening at once is a lot to take it, but it's actually not all the surprising when you think about it.

turin · 06-17-2021, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And this makes it kinda annoying that everyone blames this all on Cuban.

Rick and Donnie had their own hands firmly on the self destruct button. If it wasn't going to happen this summer, then next summer for sure if the team didn't do well.

I mean shit, Cuban was INSANELY loyal to them through thick and thin. If you want to blame Cuban for anything, I think it would be that he held onto them for too long.

All of this happening at once is a lot to take it, but it's actually not all the surprising when you think about it.

I don't disagree, but there's also another option - Cuban was not only loyal to them, but he might have felt that way more strongly because, in hindsight, he may feel like he sabotaged them both in the past. We know he has undercut decisions in the past, so don't underestimate the impact of that guilt.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2021, 04:07 PM

I'm more worried about Cuban and Shadow Bob. If the situation was bad enough that RC has left, when he has said many times he wanted to stay here... Even with the Luka friction I just didn't see this coming from RC's side. I could see Cuban letting Rick go but for Rick to be the one to walk away is a red flag to me.

tap2390 · 06-17-2021, 04:12 PM

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I'm more worried about Cuban and Shadow Bob. If the situation was bad enough that RC has left, when he has said many times he wanted to stay here... Even with the Luka friction I just didn't see this coming from RC's side. I could see Cuban letting Rick go but for Rick to be the one to walk away is a red flag to me.

Exactly.

I wanted Carlisle gone as well, but for it to happen after Cuban explicitly said he would remain is a major red flag.

turin · 06-17-2021, 04:14 PM

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I'm more worried about Cuban and Shadow Bob. If the situation was bad enough that RC has left, when he has said many times he wanted to stay here... Even with the Luka friction I just didn't see this coming from RC's side. I could see Cuban letting Rick go but for Rick to be the one to walk away is a red flag to me.

RC was smart to leave now. With Donnie gone, the MBT is no longer, and RC is now accountable immediately. All he had to do was to look around at the talent on the roster and the draft picks and then look at other possibilities. Milwaukee sure must be looking good after going down 3-2. The earlier RC frees himself up, the more, better opportunities will be available. He's going to be rated #1 or close on almost anybody else's list. I wish him the best moving forward, but I'm glad he's gone.

Some Guy · 06-17-2021, 05:31 PM

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I'm more worried about Cuban and Shadow Bob. If the situation was bad enough that RC has left, when he has said many times he wanted to stay here... Even with the Luka friction I just didn't see this coming from RC's side. I could see Cuban letting Rick go but for Rick to be the one to walk away is a red flag to me.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-17-2021, 03:20 PM

Not surprising. Mavs needed a fresh start from the ground up. All the Carlisle haters get their wish.

I was on the fence about him being gone because I do think Donnie is more to blame, but now we can get a coach that fits with Luka.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2021, 03:21 PM

Fuzz · 06-17-2021, 03:21 PM

I'm aware that the way the media people frame this might not be reality but surely there is a bit of a storm brewing if Rick decided to quit. What implications did Donnie's firing have in his decision? Is that Bob dude truly gone?

Or it could be that Rick sees a new GM incoming and most GMs like to bring their own personnel and could mean a new coach. Maybe Rick didn't want to go through that "evaluation" phase bc he knows a shitty season and he would be the first one out?

I was prepared for a change, but all of this change seems fast. All I know is that the only thing that matters is that this was ALL run by Luka by Cuban. ALL of it. Luka would need to sign off on anything.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2021, 03:23 PM

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I'm aware that the way the media people frame this might not be reality but surely there is a bit of a storm brewing if Rick decided to quit. What implications did Donnie's firing have in his decision? Is that Bob dude truly gone?

Or it could be that Rick sees a new GM incoming and most GMs like to bring their own personnel and could mean a new coach. Maybe Rick didn't want to go through that "evaluation" phase bc he knows a shitty season and he would be the first one out?

I was prepared for a change, but all of this change seems fast. All I know is that the only thing that matters is that this was ALL run by Luka by Cuban. ALL of it. Luka would need to sign off on anything.

My prayer is Ujiri has said he would join if he can bring his own coach and staff in.

Zeus · 06-17-2021, 03:22 PM

I am telling you that if you don't think the fact that Phoenix and Atlanta is not bothering Cuban then you are in denial. Cato mentions this in his piece. Our pets heads are falling off..

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-17-2021, 03:29 PM

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I am telling you that if you don't think the fact that Phoenix and Atlanta is not bothering Cuban then you are in denial. Cato mentions this in his piece. Our pets heads are falling off..

Well they fucked it up in 2019. That was the offseason that could have changed everything. Instead, they thought Seth Curry and Delon Wright was going to make us a contender.

Everything started brewing hot from then on. Simply can't waste opportunities like that in such a cut throat league.

Dtownsfinest · 06-17-2021, 03:29 PM

So on one hand....I would've never gotten rid of Carlisle.....

But I think its probably for the best.

I think its time for a restart.

I'd tear the team up as well the best I possibly can.

Fuzz · 06-17-2021, 03:36 PM

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...5Es1_&ref_url=

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-17-2021, 03:40 PM

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https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...5Es1_&ref_url=

And this isn't the first player that hasn't gotten along with Rick.

Everyone focuses so much of their time on the Cuban power struggle when in reality everything revolves around Luka now. He is the de facto guy in charge.

Dallas41 · 06-17-2021, 03:55 PM

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And this isn't the first player that hasn't gotten along with Rick.

Everyone focuses so much of their time on the Cuban power struggle when in reality everything revolves around Luka now. He is the de facto guy in charge.

yep this goes back to Marion, Haywood, Rondo and even Kidd at times had issues with RC early on.

I've been saying for a long time this team just simply needed new voice in the locker room

RC might have just wore out his welcome....

Doesn't mean he's not a good coach. But his style doesn't work with all players especially today

washedklean77 · 06-17-2021, 04:03 PM

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yep this goes back to Marion, Haywood, Rondo and even Kidd at times had issues with RC early on.

I've been saying for a long time this team just simply needed new voice in the locker room

RC might have just wore out his welcome....

Doesn't mean he's not a good coach. But his style doesn't work with all players especially today

Cuban actually eluded to this a bit before the playoffs started when appearing on the The Ticket in Dallas. He said, "These young players consume info and instructions so much differently than they used to. Times have changed and we must changed with them."

I really do think his comments were targeted at Carlisle.

SMC0007 · 06-17-2021, 04:04 PM

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yep this goes back to Marion, Haywood, Rondo and even Kidd at times had issues with RC early on.

I've been saying for a long time this team just simply needed new voice in the locker room

RC might have just wore out his welcome....

Doesn't mean he's not a good coach. But his style doesn't work with all players especially today

Wore out his welcome seems like the opposite of RC deciding to leave. Unless I misunderstand that old phrase.

Dallas41 · 06-17-2021, 04:10 PM

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Wore out his welcome seems like the opposite of RC deciding to leave. Unless I misunderstand that old phrase.

writting was on the wall

players had issues with him mainly Luka so to me that means he wore out his welcome

I'm just glad they finally cleaned house and got rid of all the we love our boys in blue crew

Ready for change hopefully it's Mosely, Jackson or even Casey if possible

turin · 06-17-2021, 04:34 PM

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And this isn't the first player that hasn't gotten along with Rick.

Everyone focuses so much of their time on the Cuban power struggle when in reality everything revolves around Luka now. He is the de facto guy in charge.

I've long thought that RC was an issue for players. I'm hoping that a complete organizational refresh will have players looking at the Mavs in a fresh light. Granted, Cuban is still the owner, but that's not going to change.

SMC0007 · 06-17-2021, 03:37 PM

Wow, ok then. I leave technology for an hour and OUR PETS HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!!

washedklean77 · 06-17-2021, 03:44 PM

Bring on Mark Jackson. He's great at managing egos, is well liked around the league and can help attract free agents. That's if this is okay with Luka. :-)

Dallas41 · 06-17-2021, 03:51 PM

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Bring on Mark Jackson. He's great at managing egos, is well liked around the league and can help attract free agents. That's if this is okay with Luka. :-)

I love this option or Dwayne Casey

Mavs need someone who can light a fire in the players and get them to also play some damn defense for once

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-17-2021, 04:17 PM

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I love this option or Dwayne Casey

Mavs need someone who can light a fire in the players and get them to also play some damn defense for once

Casey signed an extension with Detroit.

Dallas41 · 06-17-2021, 03:50 PM

Welp so much for the rumors not being true

So many said it just B.S.

Where's there's smoke there's fire

SMC0007 · 06-17-2021, 04:49 PM

Pablo Laso to the rescue. In all seriousness, I agree with the sentiment that the shake up was needed. There seems to be some quality options to fill the gaps we need. I doubt Cuban fvcks this up. It's make or break for his rep with all the true MFFLs.

Melonhead · 06-17-2021, 04:56 PM

Good talk about Bob on the Lowe Post too. Really good stuff

Apparently, Bob wanted the Mavs to trade up for Halliburton. Tim then says Bob is “incredibly arrogant”

From DallasMavsWorld Twitter

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2021, 04:59 PM

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Good talk about Bob on the Lowe Post too. Really good stuff

Apparently, Bob wanted the Mavs to trade up for Halliburton. Tim then says Bob is “incredibly arrogant”

From DallasMavsWorld Twitter

Well from Locked on pod they said he, on his own twitter, talks about how he's smarter then GM's. So yeah I think he's extremely arrogant. He also was the driving force behind getting Delon Wright.

Some Guy · 06-17-2021, 05:45 PM

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Well from Locked on pod they said he, on his own twitter, talks about how he's smarter then GM's. So yeah I think he's extremely arrogant. He also was the driving force behind getting Delon Wright.

Was he also responsible for this year's draft, which everyone keeps complaining about? If he's still with the team (is that why Carlisle left?), then why is everyone so happy?

Murphy3 · 06-17-2021, 05:53 PM

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Was he also responsible for this year's draft, which everyone keeps complaining about? If he's still with the team (is that why Carlisle left?), then why is everyone so happy?

People are happy Carlisle left because the grass is always greener on the other side to some. Yes, this could possibly work out but it is highly likely that the Mavs have taken a step back the past couple of days. Even if they do take a step back, a worse collection of talent can be overcome by a superstar that has a lot of people around the league that’ll want to play with him. That’s what makes the NBA different than other major sports. You don’t have to have the best GM or coach at times if you have generational talent in place.

SMC0007 · 06-17-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Good talk about Bob on the Lowe Post too. Really good stuff

Apparently, Bob wanted the Mavs to trade up for Halliburton. Tim then says Bob is “incredibly arrogant”

From DallasMavsWorld Twitter

I dreamt of Haliburton too. I thought he was a lock to contribute immediately and would end up being all-star caliber.

The Lowe post? Have a link? I wanna read/hear it.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2021, 05:15 PM

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I dreamt of Haliburton too. I thought he was a lock to contribute immediately and would end up being all-star caliber.

The Lowe post? Have a link? I wanna read/hear it.

https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/id/31654254

SMC0007 · 06-17-2021, 05:21 PM

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https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/id/31654254

Thanks mate!

turin · 06-17-2021, 06:21 PM

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https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/id/31654254

That was very good. Thanks!

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Melonhead · 06-17-2021, 06:52 PM

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https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/id/31654254

This was really good. A deeper conversation on all the things we’ve been discussing the last few years.

FreshJive · 06-17-2021, 05:34 PM

So do we really have any confirmation that Bob is actually gone? I know his contact is up. I wonder if this Forde dude could have been his recommendation? It doesn’t sound like Luka had any input or idea about the Donnie firing, and it sounds like Rick just up and quit on his own.

DIRK LEGIONS · 06-17-2021, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Good talk about Bob on the Lowe Post too. Really good stuff

Apparently, Bob wanted the Mavs to trade up for Halliburton. Tim then says Bob is “incredibly arrogant”

From DallasMavsWorld Twitter

Jesus christ Halliburton would been a glorious draft pick size shooting wise

SMC0007 · 06-17-2021, 05:20 PM

Has anyone heard this before?? No idea if it's true.
https://twitter.com/AzazNYK/status/1...552568832?s=19

Luka yelled at Carlisle in the middle of a game once “who’s in charge, you or Bob?”

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2021, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Has anyone heard this before?? No idea if it's true.
https://twitter.com/AzazNYK/status/1...552568832?s=19

Luka yelled at Carlisle in the middle of a game once “who’s in charge, you or Bob?”

Tmac talks about it in the lowe pod.

Melonhead · 06-17-2021, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Has anyone heard this before?? No idea if it's true.
https://twitter.com/AzazNYK/status/1...552568832?s=19

Luka yelled at Carlisle in the middle of a game once “who’s in charge, you or Bob?”

Yeah this whole thing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. This better mean that Bob is gone.