The"Crap, it didn't happen..but it was awesome to think of" thread - Page 112 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

I hate this league....the Mavs held hostage by "the decision II" bet the MBT will love to redo the draft

Take it easy there. I think they actually had a solid draft if you analyze it a little more closely. Cunningham played in the same conference as Westbrook and had arguably better stats. His ceiling isn't as high, but it really was a solid pick. They are more alike than not and you need players like that in today's NBA. I would take Cunningham over Zeller any day of the week. Only time will tell though...

Underdog · 07-03-2012, 06:43 PM

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Ric Bucher: As source indicated earlier, Kidd won't join Deron with Nets. Deciding between Mavs and Knicks.

So there's that...

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

An 8? Then may I assume that your disappointment "meter" is based on what seemed likely to happen and not what you wanted to happen?

Because on my sports disappointment meter, this goes to 11.

Honestly, I feel like I just heard the window slam on Dirk. And that makes me terribly sports sad.

Yeah, sorry. It's a 10 subjectively. 8 is because, by yesterday/today, I thought it was like 55/45 Nets.

markus1234 · 07-03-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Well the FO must have known this was a realistic possibility. They have a plan B.
Hopefully it's 1a)Dragic 1b)Nash
And go from there

Cuban's plan B is always the same, throwing ridiculous $ at 2n tier crap and hoping that Dirk scores 48 on 12/15 and makes them look like all stars...

TNT · 07-03-2012, 06:47 PM

So, we're fucked.

To sum it up. We sacrificed this season to make a big adjustments in the offseason.

So today we lost Terry and now D-Will signed with russian money bank.

So whata ****.

Bad day to be a mavs fan.

CanadianMavsFan · 07-03-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So there's that...

A lot of respect for Kidd then, not his fault Deron made a decision based on money. He will struggle to sniff the 2nd round to be honest. Lied completely about wanting to win.

Mavs should pursue Dragic or Lowry in a trade of some sort. They need a big man as well, but we'll see how the Dwight Howard thing turns out.

Either way, a real shame considering the whole Chandler stuff, all went to waste. I'm glad Dirk got his ring, but he deserved better than this. Cuban better put a half way decent team out on the floor next year.

pepe · 07-03-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Take it easy there. I think they actually had a solid draft if you analyze it a little more closely. Cunningham played in the same conference as Westbrook and had arguably better stats. His ceiling isn't as high, but it really was a solid pick. They are more alike than not and you need players like that in today's NBA. I would take Cunningham over Zeller any day of the week. Only time will tell though...

Not necessarily hating the draft picks, but I think the Mavs could have move up and pick up a decent player...the Rockets did it twice

TheBlueVan · 07-03-2012, 06:50 PM

Total waste of the last 13 months. Cap space for jack shit.

Could've at least let dirk finish his career with a decent center.

spreedom · 07-03-2012, 06:54 PM

Rockets just withdrew their QO to Courtney Lee. Him and Nash as our starting backcourt would soften the blow to some degree.

fleadog99 · 07-03-2012, 06:58 PM

I have a feeling that Dirk may be on the phone with Cuban right now.

Dirk: What is plan B?

Cuban: Hold please, I am on the phone with producers of Shark Tank.

Dirk: I am requesting a trade to the Nets.

Cuban: What? Why? We are about to get D Will and D Howard.

Dirk: Click, dial tone.

Cuban: Hello? Hello? Someone needs to invent a phone that doesn't drop a call, I'd pay BIG money for that.

stoble · 07-03-2012, 07:01 PM

MBT pipe-dream strategy fail. Interested in Nash, Dragic, Camby, matching for Terry, and a my 'ol buddy Jack Daniels.

markus1234 · 07-03-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBlueVan

Total waste of the last 13 months.

And the next 13.

4Dirk1Nowitzki · 07-03-2012, 07:08 PM

would a kidd/nash back court really be that bad?

give them each 2 year deals

have kidd come off the bench

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stoble

MBT pipe-dream strategy fail. Interested in Nash, Dragic, Camby, matching for Terry, and a my 'ol buddy Jack Daniels.

Explain to me how shooting the moon and getting the biggest gem of free agency of the last 3-4 years to mull a tough decision for more than a day is a bad STRATEGY.

I'd say that their strategy was amazing. The result was just failure.

Thomas86 · 07-03-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So there's that...

Nahh I think the Nets only offered Kidd the Vet-Min and now Kidd has the Mavs on his list.

dude1394 · 07-03-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

I hate this league....the Mavs held hostage by "the decision II" bet the MBT will love to redo the draft

Bull.. Deron made his decision less than a day after free agency was open. Mavs set themselves up for this by gutting their team in the hopes of getting something better. They asked to be in this crapshoot and they were. Now we get to have another year of waiting for godot.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Bull.. Deron made his decision less than a day after free agency was open. Mavs set themselves up for this by gutting their team in the hopes of getting something better. They asked to be in this crapshoot and they were. Now we get to have another year of waiting for godot.

Deron made his decision almost 3 full days after free agency opened. Pretty standard. He clearly considered the offer very seriously.

Kidd Karma · 07-03-2012, 07:20 PM

On to Plan B.

b_o_r · 07-03-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

On to Plan B.

I wish Plan B would have included better drafting.

Underdog · 07-03-2012, 07:35 PM

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Bill Simmons: What time tonight will be Dirk's first drunk dial of Nash? I have 2:43am in Grantland's office pool.

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

I wish Plan B would have included better drafting.

I for one think that they did.

dude1394 · 07-03-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Deron made his decision almost 3 full days after free agency opened. Pretty standard. He clearly considered the offer very seriously.

My bad..he made it one day after getting pitches from the two teams that he said he was considering. I though he was Completely professional.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

My bad..he made it one day after getting pitches from the two teams that he said he was considering. I though he was Completely professional.

I agree. I find no fault in his process.

stoble · 07-03-2012, 07:59 PM

Yeah, can't fault Deron in the proceedings. Fault must go somewhere else. Some seem to think it just goes up in the air as bad luck, like when I doubled down on 16.

Rick41 · 07-03-2012, 08:03 PM

Should of kept Tyler Zeller eh?

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stoble

Yeah, can't fault Deron in the proceedings. Fault must go somewhere else. Some seem to think it just goes up in the air as bad luck, like when I doubled down on 16.

There is no fault. Deron chose.

We made a strong bet with a jack showing. We just turned over a queen and the Nets flipped over an ace.

Good gamblers take risks, but also recover from them well.

Sean · 07-03-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So let me get this straight. The Mavs take a huge risk, putting all of their eggs in a deron basket and gutting the team. But folks who felt that was a bad decision should just be happy that the Mavs are such risk takers and shouldn't be disappointed or question the acumen of the front office.

Nice gig if you can get it.

Couldn't have said it any better.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Should of kept Tyler Zeller eh?

Not really, no.

rabbitproof · 07-03-2012, 08:09 PM

There was no Plan B.

This is slap @#%$ together time.

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Should of kept Tyler Zeller eh?

I think you are being sarcastic. If so, I agree. Crowder will be a star. Cunningham is a great risk. James will be the serviceable center that Zeller was.

And for the record, we DID draft to hedge our bets. If we were betting everything, we would have simply gone for one-dimensional role-players like Lamb. Instead, we got a bunch of guys with high motor, including Cunningham who would be much less valuable with a guy like Deron on the roster.

GhostFace · 07-03-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

There is no fault. Deron chose.

We made a strong bet with a jack showing. We just turned over a queen and the Nets flipped over an ace.

Good gamblers take risks, but also recover from them well.

I like this comment, too bad I can't give you any more +rep.

After all this I feel deflated. Can't fault Deron, but the Mavs did their best to plan for it not working out.

rabbitproof · 07-03-2012, 08:15 PM

I respect the audacity and the courage of the Mavs' FO but I wonder if we miscalculated.

Living in New York with an extra 25 million in your pocket. That's very hard to battle.

dude1394 · 07-03-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I respect the audacity and the courage of the Mavs' FO but I wonder if we miscalculated.

Living in New York with an extra 25 million in your pocket. That's very hard to battle.

Pulling to an inside straight may be ballsy, but it's not very good poker.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stoble

Yeah, can't fault Deron in the proceedings. Fault must go somewhere else. Some seem to think it just goes up in the air as bad luck, like when I doubled down on 16.

Fault must go somewhere else? If you take the bizarre approach that somebody has to be at "fault" for any event, sure, I guess.

The Mavs made a good play. It didn't work out. Happens all the damn time.

mac222b · 07-03-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I respect the audacity and the courage of the Mavs' FO but I wonder if we miscalculated.

Living in New York with an extra 25 million in your pocket. That's very hard to battle.

I hate to say but some credit's gotta go to Billy King here too. We may never know but maybe an actual present-tense supporting cast was enough to help sway Deron.
Of course money and NY were probably the deciding factors. But still.

We can snigger all we want at the Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson deals but those guys are good players. Overpaid, but good. Brooke Lopez is a pretty good player. If they swing a s'n't for Ersan Iylasova he's a good player. Maybe Deron just saw something more concrete happening with NJ, however flawed. Idk

rabbitproof · 07-03-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I hate to say but some credit's gotta go to Billy King here too. We may never know but maybe an actual present-tense supporting cast was enough to help sway Deron.
Of course money and NY were probably the deciding factors. But still.

We can snigger all we want at the Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson deals but those guys are good players. Overpaid, but good. Brooke Lopez is a pretty good player. If they swing a s'n't for Ersan Iylasova he's a good player. Maybe Deron just saw something more concrete happening with NJ, however flawed. Idk

Yup.

People want to knock the Nets' moves but you know what? They weren't playing the 2015 cap space game. They were playing the sign Deron Williams game and they won the game they were playing.

I'm also curious what JJ puts up with an elite PG. He was forced to ball handle a lot because for years Atlanta started the corpse of Mike Bibby.

xrobx · 07-03-2012, 08:49 PM

This had better be a damned good episode of Shark Tank, Cuban.

purplefrog · 07-03-2012, 09:13 PM

Reasonable and defensible strategy by the MBT, but they came up short. IMO, they need to shift their thinking to a cadre of two-three year deals that create an entertaining and competitive team. Maybe not championship caliber, but fun to watch and root for. For example, I'd go all in on Steve Nash. Match Toronto or go higher. Amnesty Haywood. He doesn't deserve to be on this team because his effort is subpar, way too often. Somehow add the following pieces:

Camby and Kaman
Delonte West
Either Courtney Lee or O.J. Mayo

I have no idea how you do this, but if the Nets can sign a gazillion players, then it seems to me that the Mavs have to find a way.

Nash/West
Lee/Roddy
Camby/Kaman
Dirk/Wright
Matrix/Carter

The young rooks to help with defensive intensity.

Go to war. Score some points and enjoy life.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2012, 09:26 PM

If anything, they HAVE to avoid becoming the 09 Pistons.

Popeye · 07-03-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If anything, they HAVE to avoid becoming the 09 Pistons.

Yes, anything but that. I'm okay going from NBA champions to a lottery team despite having a top 10 player, but at least we're not the 09 Pistons!