02-06-2023, 10:52 AM
|
#441
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,920
|
Have we seen any reports of the Mavs offering Wood an extension? I know there was talk that they only wanted to offer 2 years, but I don?t recall any reports that an official offer was made.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 10:57 AM
|
#442
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Enemy territory (SA)
Posts: 3,310
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BPo001
I?m not familiar with the Lakers cap situation, but Westbrook is a FA at the end of the season. With his contract off the books would they have room to sign Kyrie outright to a big deal without a S&T?
|
Here is a good primer on their cap space situation:
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/...l-roster-money
Gist is, they can free up approximately $35m if they renounce everyone (Reaves, Hachimura, etc.), and Damian Jones doesn't exercise his player option. They can free up another $1.7m by trading Christie.
That's not even close to Kyrie's max figure of about $50m a year. I don't see Kyrie walking away from $12-15m and paying Cali state taxes.
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 10:58 AM
|
#443
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: state of eternal optimism
Posts: 2,857
|
My first reaction was, "Hell NO!". Why give up two hard-working starters for a likely half year rental? I have enjoyed watching both Spence and DoDo and would hate to see them go. Kyrie is nothing but trouble.
After being royally pissed off for several hours, I began to think more rationally and played back my memory of how this team has been playing all season. It has been painful and the MBT needed to do something that would give Luka some relief. I don't especially like Kyrie on the Mavs but there is no doubt he fits the need for a second all-star and ball handler. If he leaves this summer and the Mavs get nothing in return, well then the Mavs will be in full rebuild and it might best if that comes sooner rather than later. Hopefully, the Mavs will make another trade or two and be able to compete in the playoffs. Let's hope. I am in wait and see mode. At least this shakes things up a bit. Praying for more trades!
__________________
"Truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it. But there it is." - Winston Churchill
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 10:58 AM
|
#444
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Enemy territory (SA)
Posts: 3,310
|
Mavs need to push hard for Jarred Vanderbilt. He's an excellent defender/ rebounder at the 4. We may need to give up Hardy.
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 11:02 AM
|
#445
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,920
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tap2390
Here is a good primer on their cap space situation:
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/...l-roster-money
Gist is, they can free up approximately $35m if they renounce everyone (Reaves, Hachimura, etc.), and Damian Jones doesn't exercise his player option. They can free up another $1.7m by trading Christie.
That's not even close to Kyrie's max figure of about $50m a year. I don't see Kyrie walking away from $12-15m and paying Cali state taxes.
|
I don?t think these players give a shit about state taxes. It?s always brought up when we talk about FA salaries, yet we never seem to land any big fish in free agency.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 11:08 AM
|
#446
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by purplefrog
My first reaction was, "Hell NO!". Why give up two hard-working starters for a likely half year rental? I have enjoyed watching both Spence and DoDo and would hate to see them go. Kyrie is nothing but trouble.
After being royally pissed off for several hours, I began to think more rationally and played back my memory of how this team has been playing all season. It has been painful and the MBT needed to do something that would give Luka some relief. I don't especially like Kyrie on the Mavs but there is no doubt he fits the need for a second all-star and ball handler. If he leaves this summer and the Mavs get nothing in return, well then the Mavs will be in full rebuild and it might best if that comes sooner rather than later. Hopefully, the Mavs will make another trade or two and be able to compete in the playoffs. Let's hope. I am in wait and see mode. At least this shakes things up a bit. Praying for more trades!
|
Let this ease your mind...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pK...seofHighlights
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 11:10 AM
|
#447
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tap2390
Mavs need to push hard for Jarred Vanderbilt. He's an excellent defender/ rebounder at the 4. We may need to give up Hardy.
|
Can't see them giving up Hardy for Vanderbilt if they wouldn't include him in a trade for Kyrie. Plus, you'll need Hardy if Kyrie bolts this summer.
But I'm all for getting Vanderbilt 100%.
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 11:25 AM
|
#448
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Dream scenario is retain Wood, and sign a center.
TMAC said Maxi will be back "this month"
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 12:04 PM
|
#449
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
I guess what drives me nut is the looseness of Wood trade rumors like Powell is a viable option at center. My god, even with Kyrie, we need to trade or minimize Powell's role here. He isn't good and won't magically be good just because we got Kyrie.
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 12:09 PM
|
#450
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: state of eternal optimism
Posts: 2,857
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I guess what drives me nut is the looseness of Wood trade rumors like Powell is a viable option at center. My god, even with Kyrie, we need to trade or minimize Powell's role here. He isn't good and won't magically be good just because we got Kyrie.
|
Yup, there has to be a way to upgrade the center position. Seems to me that Sacramento would be willing to do a Holmes for Powell trade - straight up, just to get out from under Holmes' contract for two more years.
__________________
"Truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it. But there it is." - Winston Churchill
Last edited by purplefrog; 02-06-2023 at 12:10 PM.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 12:16 PM
|
#451
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,920
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by purplefrog
Yup, there has to be a way to upgrade the center position. Seems to me that Sacramento would be willing to do a Holmes for Powell trade - straight up, just to get out from under Holmes' contract for two more years.
|
I don?t know much about Holmes, but is it worth giving up Powell?s expiring deal for a guy with 2 years left?
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 12:33 PM
|
#452
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
Been seeing rumors of Wood to the Clippers for Marcus Morris.
I mean, yikes...BUT, and this goes with what I've been saying...the Mavs would be going all in on destroying the nice guy persona which I am for. Morris is the ultimate villain. And maybe he and his brother can motivate each other to play well here.
I'm against it and would MUCH rather keep Wood, but I'm not against the idea of finally cutting the nice guy bs.
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 12:40 PM
|
#453
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,973
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Been seeing rumors of Wood to the Clippers for Marcus Morris.
I mean, yikes...BUT, and this goes with what I've been saying...the Mavs would be going all in on destroying the nice guy persona which I am for. Morris is the ultimate villain. And maybe he and his brother can motivate each other to play well here.
I'm against it and would MUCH rather keep Wood, but I'm not against the idea of finally cutting the nice guy bs.
|
That isn't quite up to snuff. Wood is worth quite a bit more than the better Morris bro.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 01:10 PM
|
#454
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by saclare
That isn't quite up to snuff. Wood is worth quite a bit more than the better Morris bro.
|
Agreed, but this Clippers stuff comes out of Stein's mouth. And Shams said he hasn't accepted an extension. Lots of smoke.
Hope the Clippers stuff is just leverage for a better deal.
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 01:26 PM
|
#455
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 43,086
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Dream scenario is retain Wood, and sign a center.
TMAC said Maxi will be back "this month"
|
That's what I would hope for to.
I hear grumblings that Wood is just a stat padder guy like Dangelo Russel and that he doesnt have the fire in his belly, but he's also been a rental for so long that it's hard to tell: He's always constantly trying to learn a new system and do his best and as he starts to get it, he's traded, so it's understandable that he's always looking a little hesitant and not instantaneous.
BUT he's also the first guy we've had there that is top-15 in production at his position. Wood is top 13 among PFs in PER. We've gotten so used to having guys at the 4/5 that produce worse than most second-stringers (55-90th at their position). Wood is legitimately producing like a top-half starter.
If we trade him, I hope it's for another PF or C, but I kind of hope we can get a legit center for cheap.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 01:31 PM
|
#456
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
Per Tmac...ugh.
Christian Wood is well aware that Mavs are discussing potential trades involving him. He says he's trying to stay off social media and talk to Jason Kidd and GM Nico Harrison as much as possible.
What is he hearing from them? "Uh, nothing," Wood said. "I hope I?m not traded."
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 01:55 PM
|
#457
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Per Tmac...ugh.
Christian Wood is well aware that Mavs are discussing potential trades involving him. He says he's trying to stay off social media and talk to Jason Kidd and GM Nico Harrison as much as possible.
What is he hearing from them? "Uh, nothing," Wood said. "I hope I?m not traded."
|
ugh zero intention of offering an extension, which we kinda already know.
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 01:56 PM
|
#458
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
So wait Wood wants to be here but the Mavs don't want him?
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:00 PM
|
#459
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
?By the way I?m hearing that he?s [Kevin Durant] on the verge of potentially being moved. Obviously we?ve all been speculating about that?that he may be moved. I?m hearing Boston is making some calls. Keep your eye on Jaylen Brown. Keep your eye on that.? -
@stephenasmith
on FT
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:00 PM
|
#460
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Enemy territory (SA)
Posts: 3,310
|
Going to be an unpopular opinion, but I can understand why we don?t want Wood. In the modern NBA he?s a 5, but defensively he?s very much a 4. Mavs want a defensive 5 at the 5 they can put Luka, Kyrie, and two wings around.
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:09 PM
|
#461
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,694
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tap2390
Going to be an unpopular opinion, but I can understand why we don?t want Wood. In the modern NBA he?s a 5, but defensively he?s very much a 4. Mavs want a defensive 5 at the 5 they can put Luka, Kyrie, and two wings around.
|
I'm not married to Wood either myself.
Last I remember we were "opening discussions" in early January for his extension and if we couldn't come to an agreement he would be traded to avoid another brunson situation where he leaves for nothing.
I think we only were offering 2 years... why would someone at 27yrs old be interested in that... he could get 4 from a lot of teams I'd imagine. 2yr offer doesn't sound like they want him all that much imo and were more trying to preserve his value for future trades.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:16 PM
|
#462
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Wood confirmed playing tonight...
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:17 PM
|
#463
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: uranus
Posts: 13,661
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tap2390
Going to be an unpopular opinion, but I can understand why we don?t want Wood. In the modern NBA he?s a 5, but defensively he?s very much a 4. Mavs want a defensive 5 at the 5 they can put Luka, Kyrie, and two wings around.
|
Use Wood and whatever else makes sense to get Myles Turner? Idk who else is available that's worth trading Wood for. Wood is a solid player, they better get good return for him.
__________________
you just proofed how stupid you are - CRAZYBOY
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:18 PM
|
#464
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
If Celtics get KD it's all moot they're going to win the championship.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:24 PM
|
#465
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMC0007
Use Wood and whatever else makes sense to get Myles Turner? Idk who else is available that's worth trading Wood for. Wood is a solid player, they better get good return for him.
|
Thats the thing, what center is going to be a considerable upgrade in what we got with Wood. Hes not the most ideal, but the return better be worth it, because he works hard and wants to be here.
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:26 PM
|
#466
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
Seems like it's possible one or both of DFS and Spence won't even be Nets by Thursday.
Brad Townsend: Thinking out loud: While waiting on Brooklyn as it attempts to expand the trade and/or move Dinwiddie elsewhere, I wonder what offers the Mavs might be getting for Irving. And if so, are they listening? When I spoke to Dorian Finney-Smith last night, he wasn?t certain he?ll be a Net. ? via Twitter townbrad
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:32 PM
|
#467
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 23,255
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJay
Seems like it's possible one or both of DFS and Spence won't even be Nets by Thursday.
Brad Townsend: Thinking out loud: While waiting on Brooklyn as it attempts to expand the trade and/or move Dinwiddie elsewhere, I wonder what offers the Mavs might be getting for Irving. And if so, are they listening? When I spoke to Dorian Finney-Smith last night, he wasn?t certain he?ll be a Net. ? via Twitter townbrad
|
Your first mistake was Brad Townsend. He is clearly trolling here because he doesn't like the trade and is also just a terrible writer if that's what you want to call what he does.
He "might" be right about Dinwiddie going somewhere else, but the Mavs listening to Irving offers is blatant dog shit.
__________________
"Cream of the crop gon' rise to the top." -Jaden Hardy
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:36 PM
|
#468
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
The only thing I really wanted to post out of that is him saying he spoke to DFS and DFS doesn't know if he'll be a Net. You think he lied?
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 02:40 PM
|
#469
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Your first mistake was Brad Townsend. He is clearly trolling here because he doesn't like the trade and is also just a terrible writer if that's what you want to call what he does.
He "might" be right about Dinwiddie going somewhere else, but the Mavs listening to Irving offers is blatant dog shit.
|
yeah that last part is bogus, they didnt throw DFS out just to listen to Irving offers.
but i will say if KD isnt sticking around, DFS could land somewhere other than brooklyn.
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 03:30 PM
|
#470
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,920
|
Per Shams we have offered Wood an extension
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 03:32 PM
|
#471
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
JB for KD is trending, but it's mostly Boston fans saying no JB is 25 KD is 34.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 03:34 PM
|
#472
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: uranus
Posts: 13,661
|
If we offered Wood the most possible, I'd be utterly shocked if he didn't sign it
__________________
you just proofed how stupid you are - CRAZYBOY
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 03:48 PM
|
#473
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BPo001
Per Shams we have offered Wood an extension
|
Really?
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 03:48 PM
|
#474
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,831
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMC0007
If we offered Wood the most possible, I'd be utterly shocked if he didn't sign it
|
Id be shocked if the mavs actually offered most possible
__________________
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 03:55 PM
|
#475
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,973
|
I've said it before, but I have a good feeling the 4 years and $77MM has been offered. But a guy of Wood's skillset might be better off waiting for UFA and securing a bigger bag. Always risk in that, but he's staring right at the latest direct example in Brunson successfully increasing his value.
I don't see why the Mavs would not be interested in 4/77 at all since at a minimum, Wood would be an attractive trade piece/asset.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 04:02 PM
|
#476
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 43,086
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BPo001
Per Shams we have offered Wood an extension
|
Good. Even if you want to trade him, you extend him.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 04:03 PM
|
#477
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,920
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Really?
|
Apparently Shams said it on an appearance on FanDuel TV per IG. I haven?t seen anything officially posted though.
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 04:04 PM
|
#478
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 942
|
Can we do that sign him to an extension and trade him before Thursday?
NBA rules are so crazy...
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 04:05 PM
|
#479
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,973
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Good. Even if you want to trade him, you extend him.
|
A la Myles Turner?
|
|
|
02-06-2023, 04:06 PM
|
#480
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: uranus
Posts: 13,661
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by saclare
I've said it before, but I have a good feeling the 4 years and $77MM has been offered. But a guy of Wood's skillset might be better off waiting for UFA and securing a bigger bag. Always risk in that, but he's staring right at the latest direct example in Brunson successfully increasing his value.
I don't see why the Mavs would not be interested in 4/77 at all since at a minimum, Wood would be an attractive trade piece/asset.
|
Woods decision. Will a contender offer me more money or do I want to play with Luka and Kyrie?
We went from shit ass team that's not even watchable outside of Luka chasing the scoring title to interesting ... 2 days after Kyrie says he wants out.
__________________
you just proofed how stupid you are - CRAZYBOY
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:41 AM.
|