Odom is a doofus

[mavsfan1000]

Time for a buyout.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Time for a buyout.

It's not happening

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Time for a buyout.

A buyout would still count ~$2.5mil against the cap next year - might as well try other options to get him off the roster this summer, then dump him as a last resort...

[nowhereman]

Impressive how much $ someone can get paid just to go collect a single rebound.

[Murphy3]

I can't wait to hear people try and spin his latest performance.. too many have stuck up for this guy.. and yes, 1 is entirely too many. His family should boo him when he unlocks the door at home. His dog should piss on him. His mother should call him to tell him that she should have used birth control.

[Murphy3]

I can't wait to hear people try and spin his latest performance.. too many have stuck up for this guy.. and yes, 1 is entirely too many. His family should boo him when he unlocks the door at home. His dog should piss on him. His mother should call him to tell him that she should have used birth control.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I can't wait to hear people try and spin his latest performance.. too many have stuck up for this guy.. and yes, 1 is entirely too many. His family should boo him when he unlocks the door at home. His dog should piss on him. His mother should call him to tell him that she should have used birth control.

Well, you'll see a bunch of it late tonight or tomorrow. Carlisle and Dirk both said he helped based on the fact that he brought energy and stepped up when Marion had to sit out.

Carlisle was very matter of fact and said he was trying his ass of and that's what they need out of him.

Dirk definitely believes that Odom can turn it around.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Well, you'll see a bunch of it late tonight or tomorrow. Carlisle and Dirk both said he helped based on the fact that he brought energy and stepped up when Marion had to sit out.

Carlisle was very matter of fact and said he was trying his ass of and that's what they need out of him.

Dirk definitely believes that Odom can turn it around.

Jthig is right. They're obviously lying out of their asses because there is the hope that the piece of garbage can turn it around. They're saying what they have to say so that his fragile pansy doesn't fall apart completely.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Jthig is right. They're obviously lying out of their asses because there is the hope that the piece of garbage can turn it around. They're saying what they have to say so that his fragile pansy doesn't fall apart completely.

+1. There is no way I could have said it better.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

They're saying what they have to say so that his fragile pansy doesn't fall apart completely.

Not sure how much more fallen apart a player could get after providing a historical quadruple uno against LA. The damage control isn't gonna work until he stops sucking.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Well, you'll see a bunch of it late tonight or tomorrow. Carlisle and Dirk both said he helped based on the fact that he brought energy and stepped up when Marion had to sit out.

They're just being professional and trying to find a way not to trash the guy. There's no way they actually believe that.

He isn't trying. He's running out there and trying to avoid putting up a shot, or even getting the ball for that matter.

Ok I guess I should correct... yes he is trying but he's trying not to get the ball or to be anywhere near a play where he might be required to do something.

I don't think I ever have or ever will hate a Mavs player more than Lamar Odom. What a piece of garbage.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by JHT

They're just being professional and trying to find a way not to trash the guy. There's no way they actually believe that.

He isn't trying. He's running out there and trying to avoid putting up a shot, or even getting the ball for that matter.

Ok I guess I should correct... yes he is trying but he's trying not to get the ball or to be anywhere near a play where he might be required to do something.

I don't think I ever have or ever will hate a Mavs player more than Lamar Odom. What a piece of garbage.

I will say they're tired of talking about it, but they still believe he's going to turn it around. The two opinions aren't tied together tho. They know he's working and just needs to figure it out, but they're tired of the media trying to put a big old spotlight on it. Last night was a night where Odom just wanted to get dressed, get on the bus and go. Nothing out of the ordinary with that, as he's not required to talk every night. Some of the media still wanted to get him and he said, "you can get me, but you'll have to walk with me." Again, no problem with that. I'll say that I saw that as I was speaking to 2 different sources and they both just scoffed at them just following him. They were very supportive towards Odom as they saw that. They essentially both said they need to leave him alone and let him get a break and that's he trying.

The meeting with Cuban prior to the game was in the corner of the locker room and we could all see it. There was animation between the two of them, but it was pretty much positive communication. The biggest thing I took away from Cuban's comments was the fact that he still thinks Odom is trying to play too much into the flow and that he just needs to be more reactive and try have more force or action in the flow.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I will say they're tired of talking about it, but they still believe he's going to turn it around. The two opinions aren't tied together tho. They know he's working and just needs to figure it out, but they're tired of the media trying to put a big old spotlight on it. Last night was a night where Odom just wanted to get dressed, get on the bus and go. Nothing out of the ordinary with that, as he's not required to talk every night. Some of the media still wanted to get him and he said, "you can get me, but you'll have to walk with me." Again, no problem with that. I'll say that I saw that as I was speaking to 2 different sources and they both just scoffed at them just following him. They were very supportive towards Odom as they saw that. They essentially both said they need to leave him alone and let him get a break and that's he trying.

The meeting with Cuban prior to the game was in the corner of the locker room and we could all see it. There was animation between the two of them, but it was pretty much positive communication. The biggest thing I took away from Cuban's comments was the fact that he still thinks Odom is trying to play too much into the flow and that he just needs to be more reactive and try have more force or action in the flow.

I'm surprised you are not tired of talking about the situation, but you are a reporter so kudos to you.
He looks like a deer in the headlight at times. Even when Odom does the right thing he blows the easy shot so I don't think he will come around especially with the schedule being tough.

[jthig32]

They're both lying out of their asses as far as I'm concerned.

Which is fine, I understand why they are. But there's nothing positive to be said about about his game last night.

He's dangerously close to becoming my least favorite Mav ever.

[Bayliss]

He's dangerously close to becoming my least favorite Mav ever.

Oh he is already there. It is a 3 way tie between he, Antoine Walker and the Baked Potato. But at least Antoine Walker and the Baked Potato at least TRIED, unfortunately it wasto the detriment to the team. Lamar doesn't even try.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Oh he is already there. It is a 3 way tie between he, Antoine Walker and the Baked Potato. But at least Antoine Walker and the Baked Potato at least TRIED, unfortunately it wasto the detriment to the team. Lamar doesn't even try.

Who?

[Bayliss]

Oh, yeah... I forget that some of yall weren't posting here since the beginning. Anyway, after those garbage bag type uniforms that the Mavs wore for 1 game to start the 2003-2004... someone on this message board nicknamed Danny Fortson the Baked Potato after that because of how he looked...... it kind of stuck for as long as he was with the team.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I hate Christie the most. At least Odom played well in 4-5 games. Doug Christie was just a failure from the start. Christie was even WORSE when he tried the Clippers for his last stint after the Mavs. Never thought that was possible.

[nowhereman]

I didn't hate Fortson that much - but I definitely had higher expectations after his first few games with GS the previous year (where he averaged something like 16 rpg before getting injured)

[markus1234]

IMO Odom should play heavy (36-40) minutes for a game or two and (hopefully) find his rhythm there. Right now he is playing/thinking too much "from possession to possession", which pretty counterproductive for his developement. Earlier in the season he at least shot the ball, now he passes it to Roddy, Wright, Mihnimi and co... and does nothing on the floor. He is just trying to survive and avoid mistakes (missed shots)...

I mean, look at this....

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelo...617/lamar-odom

He had (pretty much) only two 30min games in MAVS uniform. Both were wins and Odom played really good in both of them. In LAL he had ton of 30min games, and this really helps to become comfortable with the system and the team.

Here's an idea. Give Dirk a rest vs. MIA and play Odom.

[mavsfan1000]

I still believe Odom isn't trying. Rebounds is a key stat to how much they want to put forth for the team. Odom doesn't want to be on this team and thus isn't trying.

[oilfieldtrash]

I've always thought of the Mavs as one of the easiest teams in the league to play with. Mainly because every one on the team has such a high BBall IQ. Even last year Peja said the same thing.
I've also noticed whatever it is the Mavs do they tend to bring out the best in players. Look at Chandler, Barea, Stevenson for the most recent examples and how they've faired with their new teams.
It's really puzzling what's happened to Odom. Maybe it's like a field goal kicker in the NFL. Sometimes they just get mentally jinxed and it never fixes itself. Field goal kickers have it easy though. They go in the game and theyre out. Lamar is front and center and has all of Dallas on his back. No helmet to hide behind.

[j0Shi]

Odom still plays better at the SF, shoots a higher %, grabs more rebounds, better AST/TOV, dunno why.

Have the latest P36-splits here (before/after ASG). It's not pretty. Since he requested a buyout, he plays even crappier...

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Odom still plays better at the SF, shoots a higher %, grabs more rebounds, better AST/TOV, dunno why.

Have the latest P36-splits here (before/after ASG). It's not pretty. Since he requested a buyout, he plays even crappier...

Who is in the back court when he is the SF?

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Who is in the back court when he is the SF?

Roddy/Terry most of the time (300+ poss)
Terry/West (90)
Terry/Carter (90)
Kidd/Terry (45)

[Murphy3]

Dirk and the coach say what they say because they feel they need to. They know that it would be a huge plus if he can turn it around. However, I have serious doubts as to whether or not either of them have alot of faith in it actually turning around. It's probably a bit of a vague hope at this point.

And the crap about him not being used right on offense is just a ton of b.s. I suppose open jumpers just isn't quite in his repetoire. He came in with a horrible attitude... now he's in a funk that he's having difficulty getting out of it when he actually puts forth a little bit of effort.

As for the media pointing a spotlight on his horrific play.. total bullsh!t. If anything, he's found a place that he could hide in Dallas. Can you imagine how badly he would have been raked over the coals in many other markets? The fans have been too easy on that piece of crap.. The media has been way too easy on that piece of crap. I partly think that the laid back atmosphere here with the media and the fans has probably allowed the piece of crap to skate with horrific play longer than he otherwise would have in some other markets. This thing would have come to a head weeks and weeks ago in some other markets.

With Dirk and Kidd on this team, it makes it rather easy for players to get good looks. Odom is having no difficulty getting good looks at open jumpers... he's just not hitting them.

[Murphy3]

I know that who's on the court plays a big role in missing open jumpers..

[jthig32]

Sooo how is he being used incorrectly again?

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Sooo how is he being used incorrectly again?

From your post in the Lamar Odom Traded to Dallas thread

Thought this was interesting:

Quote:
RobMahoney Rob Mahoney
RT @mySynergySports: Odom ranked in the top 50 league-wide in PPP in Iso, pick and roll ball handler, roll man, and post-up situations.

We don't run the middle PnR much with our Bigs, just the side PnR to get the guard an open J.

At this point it doesn't even matter. You don't get good players that you have to count on for nothing. The Mavericks got him for nothing and he has given them nothing in return. You get what you pay for.

Bring on the 3-guard lineup at this point.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

At this point it doesn't even matter. You don't get good players that you have to count on for nothing. The Mavericks got him for nothing and he has given them nothing in return. You get what you pay for.

They're paying him 9 million dollars. Don't give me that nothing crap.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

From your post in the Lamar Odom Traded to Dallas thread


We don't run the middle PnR much with our Bigs, just the side PnR to get the guard an open J.

At this point it doesn't even matter. You don't get good players that you have to count on for nothing. The Mavericks got him for nothing and he has given them nothing in return. You get what you pay for.

Bring on the 3-guard lineup at this point.

That post also mentions that he was in the top 50 on post ups, which you claims he can't do. And in fact, the entire point of that tweet and my posting it was to show how versatile Odom has historically been.

We didn't get him for nothing, and it's ridiculous to try to write off his complete and utter failure based on how we acquired him. West and Wright were attained for what literally is "nothing" in the NBA and they've looked like Hall of Fame caliber players compared to Odom.

No more excuses, he's been horrible, and it's on him. It's all on him.

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

From your post in the Lamar Odom Traded to Dallas thread


We don't run the middle PnR much with our Bigs, just the side PnR to get the guard an open J.

At this point it doesn't even matter. You don't get good players that you have to count on for nothing. The Mavericks got him for nothing and he has given them nothing in return. You get what you pay for.

Bring on the 3-guard lineup at this point.

We run literally every possible deviation of the middle pick-and-roll. I'm not sure if you understand what a middle pick-and-roll looks like, but it is at the core of the offense.


I've seen us run all of these countless times, and I am sure that there are many that I have missed:

A pure middle pick-and-roll we have used countless times to get Dirk or Kidd the wing 3, and Terry or Vince the corner 3.

Pure mid pick-and-roll we have used to get Dirk the ball on the low block.

A very simple middle pick-and-roll play we have used to get Dirk a look for a wing 3, or Terry a baseline J.

A variation of a "horns" mid pick-and-roll set we have used in late game situations to get Vince a three, or to get Dirk the ball at the freethrow line on a switch for an iso.

A variation of a "horns" set utilizing the mid pick-and-roll that we have run to get an alley-oop for Wright and dunks for Haywood/Mahinmi.

A variation of the "horns" set utilizing the middle pick-and-roll to get Dirk a freethrow-line J, or a 3 way go isolation.

A variation of the "horns" set utilizing the middle pick-and-roll to get Wright the ball in a low block mismatch due to a switch, Terry a straight-away 3, or Vince a corner 3.

The problem with Odom certainly isn't the offense, it's his lack of tenacity that he has been know for up until now. There doesn't seem to be the junkyard dog in him that there was last year. We need him to play angry. When he does, he is an efficient, dangerous weapon. When he doesn't he is a body who mucks up sets and eats up the shot clock.

This is angry Lamar (a guy we have yet to see):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv3fWUVkYVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM61v...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=37lPwGZ0s_c

[jthig32]

Why would the Mavs have gone after Brewer in the first place if they knew that a SF has to be able to shoot in their system? They thought they could teach him to shoot? They didn't realize this positional requirement until it was too late?

I don't deny that the Mavs looked for floor spreading last year. They used Peja and JJ together to destroy the Lakers. But to me that's more about having that tool in your toolbox and available to a coach like Carlisle.

After watching Carlisle continuously fit and mold different pieces into this system, it's (imo) fairly nutty to believe that any part of Lamar's trouble is due to Carlisle not knowing how to make him fit.

[LonghornDub]

I have to agree with this sentiment from above: anybody in the organization who is still talking positively about this guy is just putting on a face. There are good reasons to do that, so I'm not necessarily complaining, but I don't think anybody genuinely believes that he'll "turn it around," no matter what they say or how they say it.

[bobatundi]

Odom has zero value on the court this year, but there's no way the Mavs are going to waive him or buy him out before the season ends. He's worth too much as a trade chip.

The Mavs can trade Odom and $2.5MM to another team for around $10MM in contracts (S&T, or just a team looking to dump salary) with that other team able to waive Odom. It costs the other team absolutely nothing, so they'd be saving $10MM, and the Mavs could get somebody really solid out of it.

Too bad we have to put up with having him on the roster until that happens though.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Odom has zero value on the court this year, but there's no way the Mavs are going to waive him or buy him out before the season ends. He's worth too much as a trade chip.

The Mavs can trade Odom and $2.5MM to another team for around $10MM in contracts (S&T, or just a team looking to dump salary) with that other team able to waive Odom. It costs the other team absolutely nothing, so they'd be saving $10MM, and the Mavs could get somebody really solid out of it.

Too bad we have to put up with having him on the roster until that happens though.

The problem with the idea of using him as a trade chip is that his contract becomes guaranteed on June 30th if he hasn't been waived. That's not enough time to use him as a trade asset.

But you are correct that they're not going to buy him out, because unless he waived next year's salary (which he has no incentive to do at this point), it would hurt their cap next year significantly.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

The problem with the idea of using him as a trade chip is that his contract becomes guaranteed on June 30th if he hasn't been waived. That's not enough time to use him as a trade asset.

Draft night is June 28th. You don't think they could find a taker for him with all the wheeling and dealing that goes on that day?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Draft night is June 28th. You don't think they could find a taker for him with all the wheeling and dealing that goes on that day?

You're right, they could use him that day. So it's not completely worthless.

But it's not a Damp situation where you have the entire off season to find the best fit.

And they're not going to be looking to bring back a ton of salary at that point, with the Deron situation still unresolved.

At best, they could try to move him along with some cash to a team under the cap and let them waive him so that 2.4Mil doesn't go on the Mavs books. I think that's the best they can hope for.

[bobatundi]

Originally Posted by jthig32

The problem with the idea of using him as a trade chip is that his contract becomes guaranteed on June 30th if he hasn't been waived. That's not enough time to use him as a trade asset.

But you are correct that they're not going to buy him out, because unless he waived next year's salary (which he has no incentive to do at this point), it would hurt their cap next year significantly.

Thanks--I wasn't sure when it became guaranteed. That certainly makes it less valuable.

[dude1394]

I think they'll have something lined up when the clock strikes midnight.