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mkat · 06-20-2010, 08:54 PM

Significant rumors say that if they've settled in court before the trade deadline, Cliff Lee AND Roy Oswalt could possibly both be Rangers.

If that happened, i'd have to change my pants.

tcat075 · 06-20-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mkat

Significant rumors say that if they've settled in court before the trade deadline, Cliff Lee AND Roy Oswalt could possibly both be Rangers.

If that happened, i'd have to change my pants.

If that happens, I might need a penis transplant.

Murphy3 · 06-21-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mkat

Significant rumors say that if they've settled in court before the trade deadline, Cliff Lee AND Roy Oswalt could possibly both be Rangers.

If that happened, i'd have to change my pants.

I'd hate to see who they'd have to give up... Lee would be a great #1, Lewis would be a great #2, Oswalt would be a great #3

, Wilson would fit nicely in at #4, then it's a dogfight for the #5 spot.

mkat · 06-21-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'd hate to see who they'd have to give up... Lee would be a great #1, Lewis would be a great #2, Oswalt would be a great #3

, Wilson would fit nicely in at #4, then it's a dogfight for the #5 spot.

from what i've read (i'll get the link in a while. can't access my email right now), Lee wouldn't take a lot, because Seattle wants to clear his salary more than anything.

Oswalt would probably cost a good deal, but i think i might do it if it didn't include Holland, Smoak, Martin Perez or Feliz.

tcat075 · 06-20-2010, 09:58 PM

8, count 'em, 8 in a row.

mavspwnage · 06-20-2010, 10:33 PM

^ that is cool. Hopefully we can keep adding them until the page is incredibly long.

tcat075 · 06-21-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mavspwnage

^ that is cool. Hopefully we can keep adding them until the page is incredibly long.

I will if they will.

92bDad · 06-21-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

If that happens, I might need a penis transplant.

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Originally Posted by mavspwnage

^ that is cool. Hopefully we can keep adding them until the page is incredibly long.

Hello Win Column!!!

tcat075 · 06-21-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Hello Win Column!!!

I think you quoted the wrong post of mine, but regardless, it gets the message across.

Male30Dan · 06-20-2010, 11:51 PM

Cliff Lee AND Roy Oswalt???

Dang... Link???

Cliff Lee
Roy Oswalt
Colby Lewis
CJ Wilson
Holland/Hunter/Harden(yuck)/Scheppers

mkat · 06-21-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

Cliff Lee AND Roy Oswalt???

Dang... Link???

Cliff Lee
Roy Oswalt
Colby Lewis
CJ Wilson
Holland/Hunter/Harden(yuck)/Scheppers

i think if that ever happened, it'd be: Lee, Oswalt, Lewis, Feldman, Wilson

Holland could work outta the bullpen or back at AAA or something. Same with Hunter. Harden is hopefully gone. Scheppers needs to stay down for the rest of the year, unless we suffer a rash of injuries, imo.

Flacolaco · 06-21-2010, 12:00 AM

41-28...What are these guys? Like a real baseball team or something?

mkat · 06-21-2010, 02:39 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/p...urn=mlb,249454

tcat075 · 06-21-2010, 06:19 PM

Yes, hypothetically if we get Lee/Oswalt (we won't, but if we did...), the rotation would be Lee/Oswalt/Lewis/Ceej/Feldman. Hunter and Holland would go start in AAA.

The following year, Lee is likely gone and CJ is going to have to be payed to stay around. If Feldman has a solid end to the year, I think you go into 2011 with Oswalt/Lewis/Feldman/Hunter/Holland. That's a solid rotation. Certainly, there are better around the league, but its better than the Feldman/Harden/Lewis/CJ/Harrison rotation we threw out there this year.

In the very worst case scenario (hypothetically assuming we get Lee and Oswalt, which makes it hard to complain), Feldman is terrible and CJ and Lee leave. You're left with Oswalt/Lewis/Hunter/Holland, and for that last spot you have Scheppers down in AAA if you feel he's ready. There's some various scattered parts the organization that could hold the fort down until Scheppers is ready, if he's not. Harrison springs to mind; perhaps Moscoso too.

mkat · 06-22-2010, 02:51 PM

from what i understand, things are not sounding so good for the ryan/greenberg group in the courtroom.

tcat075 · 06-22-2010, 04:26 PM

From what I understand...just kidding, I don't understand anything. I've heard things that I thought were bad signs, and yet everyone was applauding it. Bankruptcy, creditors, bankruptcy court, Rangers "are impaired", and other lingo that just confuses me.

So I really, absolutely, have no clue. Just let me know when they're going to sell the freaking team already. It's time (pun intended).

mkat · 06-22-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

From what I understand...just kidding, I don't understand anything. I've heard things that I thought were bad signs, and yet everyone was applauding it. Bankruptcy, creditors, bankruptcy court, Rangers "are impaired", and other lingo that just confuses me.

So I really, absolutely, have no clue. Just let me know when they're going to sell the freaking team already. It's time (pun intended).

good points. and yes.... ees timeb.

alexamenos · 06-22-2010, 08:55 PM

Hamilton

Flacolaco · 06-22-2010, 09:58 PM

Winning are fun

dalmations202 · 06-22-2010, 10:31 PM

Sweet

tcat075 · 06-22-2010, 10:48 PM

9 in a row, suckas!!

Flacolaco · 06-22-2010, 11:54 PM

Hopefully they can win about 27 in a row because the Angels refuse to slip up, apparently....bastards...

tcat075 · 06-23-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Hopefully they can win about 27 in a row because the Angels refuse to slip up, apparently....bastards...

I'm down with that.

F*ck the Angels.

BGMaverick9 · 06-23-2010, 11:49 AM

Tonight is the first Rangers game I'll be going to since I was a kid.

Blame is clearly on me if we lose it.

92bDad · 06-23-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Tonight is the first Rangers game I'll be going to since I was a kid.

Blame is clearly on me if we lose it.

Enjoy the game and stick with this years Rangers Motto...

"It's Time!!!"

mkat · 06-23-2010, 03:38 PM

i think that's correctly pronounced:

"Ees Timeb".

mavspwnage · 06-23-2010, 09:05 PM

Rangers are up 13-2 and it's still the 4th inning. This game is two hours long and there's still a lot left.

Flacolaco · 06-23-2010, 09:43 PM

3 innings?

Thanks a lot, Nip Nip.

mavspwnage · 06-23-2010, 10:07 PM

I say give Ogando the next Nippert start. He's been mighty impressive.

mavspwnage · 06-23-2010, 10:18 PM

WWWWWWWWWW

LonghornDub · 06-23-2010, 10:48 PM

It's really cool to see the Rangers playing like this, but the starting rotation makes it hard for me to get super optimistic. I would love to see at least one of the trades discussed earlier in this thread go down--it could make the Rangers legit contenders.

BGMaverick9 · 06-23-2010, 11:41 PM

You're welcome!

Flacolaco · 06-24-2010, 12:11 AM

Here's the way I see it

The Rangers are out in front, working hard, gasping and sprinting and chugging along

The the Angels are a few yards back, jogging carefree and easy, smiling knowingly and thinking "All day, baby...All day..."

Sooner or later they're going to catch us. The bastards. Why can't they just let us have one lousy division title? Just one?

LonghornDub · 06-24-2010, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Here's the way I see it

The Rangers are out in front, working hard, gasping and sprinting and chugging along

The the Angels are a few yards back, jogging carefree and easy, smiling knowingly and thinking "All day, baby...All day..."

Sooner or later they're going to catch us. The bastards. Why can't they just let us have one lousy division title? Just one?

There's the Flaco we all love.

On another note, I would like to point out that, as of right now, the Rangers have the second-best record in the entire MLB--only one loss behind the Yankees.

Male30Dan · 06-24-2010, 07:22 AM

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There's the Flaco we all love.

On another note, I would like to point out that, as of right now, the Rangers have the second-best record in the entire MLB--only one loss behind the Yankees.

Ha - I came on here to post this very fact that I noticed this morning! That is very impressive. I do agree with Flac in a way. It is very disturbing that the team that was 3rd in the division and leaking fluid like crazy is now winning games in a multitude of ways. I don't know if anyone watched highlights from yesterday but the Angels SHOULD HAVE at least had to bat in the bottom of the 9th after a Dodger got a hit that would have absolutely scored a run. The problem? The guy going from 1st to 2nd went too far and got picked off at 2nd just before the run crossed the plate to tie the game. Game over, Angels win. What BS is that. Those ass clown Dodgers, a team with a very respectable record in the NL, has gone 0-4 now against their in-state rivals.

It is also alarming that they are winning against much tougher competition while we do what we should be doing, winning against the worst teams in baseball. I just hope the trend continues against the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, Twins, White Sox, etc... I do find solace knowing that the Rangers tend to play well against the Angels and as long as we can win/split those series we should be OK. But yeah, our division lead could be something like 7 or 8 if the Angels didn't get hot the exact same time we did (look at Oakland now - who was right on our heels).

Regarding the starting pitching being a worry - why? 3 out of 5 of the starters are pitching very good (Lewis, CJ, and Hunter) and Feldman is getting back into his groove from last year (finally). That really only leaves this one spot that Nippert is pitching in, and Harden/Holland/Scheppers will fill that hole soon enough. Hell, if Harden can start pitching like we all know he can after this nice re-group session we will be looking very good. Now, would I rather add 1 of Lee/Oswalt (or both)? Of course, but given the decision by the judge (that Maury Brown said yesterday wasn't actually all that bad for the Rangers) which will at least delay the sale a little longer, I doubt that happens.

No, I think barring some very quick turnaround by Texas' lawyers to get the judge to put the creditors in a place where they have no options but to proceed, you are looking at the team we are going to try to make the playoffs with. And boys - it is a good team with one of the best bullpens in baseball, good hitting, and some damn improved starting pitching. I think I read this week that our ERA is a full half point better than this time last year. That is a dramatic improvement and certainly one of the reasons we have the 2nd best record in baseball at this point (behind the Yankees, who I knew would pass the Rays eventually).

LonghornDub · 06-24-2010, 12:24 PM

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Regarding the starting pitching being a worry - why? 3 out of 5 of the starters are pitching very good (Lewis, CJ, and Hunter) and Feldman is getting back into his groove from last year (finally). That really only leaves this one spot that Nippert is pitching in, and Harden/Holland/Scheppers will fill that hole soon enough. Hell, if Harden can start pitching like we all know he can after this nice re-group session we will be looking very good. Now, would I rather add 1 of Lee/Oswalt (or both)? Of course, but given the decision by the judge (that Maury Brown said yesterday wasn't actually all that bad for the Rangers) which will at least delay the sale a little longer, I doubt that happens.

Don't get me wrong--I think the starting pitching is above average. Good even. But they way the team is playing right now, we have the right to dream big (at least temporarily). ALCS or WS type big. And I'm just not sure I see this rotation going toe to toe with Sabathia-Burnett, etc.

Five-ofan · 06-25-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Here's the way I see it

The Rangers are out in front, working hard, gasping and sprinting and chugging along

The the Angels are a few yards back, jogging carefree and easy, smiling knowingly and thinking "All day, baby...All day..."

Sooner or later they're going to catch us. The bastards. Why can't they just let us have one lousy division title? Just one?

The angels arent catching us. We are better at hitting, fielding, and pitching. Pretty much we are just better.

One of the biggest strengths this team has is its bullpen. We have THE best bullpen in baseball and weve still got reinforcements. As long as Cj doesnt fall apart we will win 95+ games

Male30Dan · 06-25-2010, 11:56 AM

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The angels arent catching us. We are better at hitting, fielding, and pitching. Pretty much we are just better.

One of the biggest strengths this team has is its bullpen. We have THE best bullpen in baseball and weve still got reinforcements. As long as Cj doesnt fall apart we will win 95+ games

That is a very optimistic view, but I can't argue with you. We really do have one BEAST of a bullpen. Just look at this:

Oliver has been tremendous and is actually having his best year EVER by a pretty good margin.
Ogando looks like he could be utterly dominant and may make a case for putting Feliz back as a starter next year.
O'Day has been very good (only slightly off from his tremendous numbers last year).
Ray has been as good as he ever has been (even during his 30+ save campaign) and has made that Millwood trade look much better than it did when it took place.
Francisco has been fairly strong after a rough start but could improve.
Feliz is arguably one of the best closers in baseball.

The ONLY two guys that are a little scary when you see them run to the mound are Nippert and Harrison as the long relief duo. Hell, if you are seeing either of those two though it means A. you are down a starter and are depending on someone that shouldn't be starting or B. you had a bad performance by your starter and are likely in a hole anyway. Basically, those guys will very, very rarely be depended on in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings.

So, if our starters can get through 6, our bullpen has basically shut the door on the opposing team and shortened the game to a 6-inning affair.

mkat · 06-25-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

That is a very optimistic view, but I can't argue with you. We really do have one BEAST of a bullpen. Just look at this:

Oliver has been tremendous and is actually having his best year EVER by a pretty good margin.
Ogando looks like he could be utterly dominant and may make a case for putting Feliz back as a starter next year.
O'Day has been very good (only slightly off from his tremendous numbers last year).
Ray has been as good as he ever has been (even during his 30+ save campaign) and has made that Millwood trade look much better than it did when it took place.
Francisco has been fairly strong after a rough start but could improve.
Feliz is arguably one of the best closers in baseball.

The ONLY two guys that are a little scary when you see them run to the mound are Nippert and Harrison as the long relief duo. Hell, if you are seeing either of those two though it means A. you are down a starter and are depending on someone that shouldn't be starting or B. you had a bad performance by your starter and are likely in a hole anyway. Basically, those guys will very, very rarely be depended on in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings.

So, if our starters can get through 6, our bullpen has basically shut the door on the opposing team and shortened the game to a 6-inning affair.

i think when Harrison is fully healthy (and that may be never...he gets hurt every year it seems), he'll be a really good long reliever/spot starter. he's got something if he can just stay off the DL.

Male30Dan · 06-24-2010, 03:07 PM

I feel you Dub, but if we get out of the first round of the playoffs, EVERYTHING else is gravy to me. Hell, making the playoffs would be a great accomplishment for a team that hasn't been there many times. When you consider the payroll limitations we have and the youth and unknowns starting the year just making the playoffs should be good for most.

I am hungry too. I want a pennant too. I want a ring too. I just don't think this team is ready for that. If the ownership situation is settled prior to the trade deadline, that is a completely different scenario (or if they can pull off a major trade by giving up more farm talent to get a team to pay all of a player's salary).

We shall see though - here is hoping they continue to win and everything works out.