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Dirkadirkastan · 07-27-2009, 06:00 PM

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time to edit the sig?

It's funny because it's worse than outdated. It not only has Gortat who was never a Mav, but it also has Marion and Wright at the same time.

LonghornDub · 07-27-2009, 06:02 PM

Are people really upset about Chandler-Okafor? Okafor's pretty mediocre. If anything, I say this potentially weakens a division rival (at least as compared to when Chandler was actually healthy).

mavs777 · 07-27-2009, 06:04 PM

Okafur is better than Chandler, but NO still has major holes and imo are still clearly worse than SA, LA, Dallas, Portland, and Denver, not a contender

LonghornDub · 07-27-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Okafur is better than Chandler, but NO still has major holes and imo are still clearly worse than SA, LA, Dallas, Portland, and Denver, not a contender

I don't think Okafor is any better than Chandler, especially when it comes to matching up against the Mavs. Chandler's energy eats us for lunch.

Kidd Karma · 07-27-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Okafur is better than Chandler, but NO still has major holes and imo are still clearly worse than SA, LA, Dallas, Portland, and Denver, not a contender

It's virtually the same team from 2 years ago, upgrade with Okafor, but Peja's on his last legs, Posey didn't really add to much to the squad and the bench, well probably wouldn't win and NCAA title, so given their money woes, only times will tell when Paul starts whining for a trade.

Justin Credible · 07-27-2009, 06:35 PM

Why is everyone so certain that it's Tim Thomas? I mean, hasn't McCants been wined & dined here in Dallas a few times? Same cost, less bad blood, etc, etc..

I'll keep my hopes up that it's McCants and not Thomas, but I guess I could understand if it was Thomas (attitude, 3 shooter, etc).

[edit] Seems like the only thing that Thomas is better at is 3pt fg% and a slight edge in rebounding. Otherwise McCants seems like the clearly superior player (according to career stats).

Plus, what good is Tim Thomas here? That gives us what.. 24 forwards and 1 sg?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-27-2009, 06:35 PM

I disagree I think Paul/West/Okafur is pretty dangerous.

Thomas86 · 07-27-2009, 06:36 PM

I don't understand the trade from the Hornets point of view is seems like a panic trade to me, the Hornets saw the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Blazers all get better, I thought the Hornets wanted to save money but I guess not because the Oakfur contract is bad.

As far as that shooter that Mavs are goona sign I really think it's gonna be Tim Thomas, I know most people on here hate Tim Thomas but if he can help us I say bring him in, I dout him and Dirk still have beef because Dirk doesn't look like the kind of person to hold grudges.

mavs777 · 07-27-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

I disagree I think Paul/West/Okafur is pretty dangerous.

Those 3 are dangerous but they don't have any depth

CadBane · 07-27-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Are people really upset about Chandler-Okafor? Okafor's pretty mediocre. If anything, I say this potentially weakens a division rival (at least as compared to when Chandler was actually healthy).

I've been agreeing with you a lot lately.

But this.....

Okafor is substantially better than Chandler at every facet of the game. I've seen a lot of Bobcats games. On a team like NO he could put up 16/12 (with a couple blocks). And he's a great defender. His offensive game has improved a lot too.

Dirkenstien · 07-27-2009, 07:09 PM

Man, Okafor would definitely be a nice pick up for us. The guy is a defensive beast. Isn't Chandler washed up? Surely there's something better we can offer.

Robillion · 07-27-2009, 07:17 PM

Yeah we can offer up Hollins, Buckner, all of our other expirings...IF the Bobcats want to save some money we got the better deal.

And ohhhh would I be happy with this off season if we got Okafor. The cherry on top for me would be Von Wafer as well.

badfish22 · 07-27-2009, 07:31 PM

The first part of the DB article also tells of the Mavs plans
We're working right now (as of Monday afternoon) on some end-of-the-roster business,'' Donnie tells DallasBasketball.com. "Moving out some things, nothing earth-shattering.."

So looks like were not bringing in a starting center or a Raja Bell type, just bringing in end-of-the-roster type stuff.

mavErika · 07-27-2009, 07:42 PM

Fish(right now on espn, but NBA-segment is over as I write) thinks it probably would take Damp to get Okafor and that the MBT is not willing to let him go now(for sammy superstar reasons), like NO is willing to give away Chandler.

I think it's just a quick take on the rumor and he didn't really say that there would have been the opportunity to do this trade.
But talking about the bird in the hands, I'd love to have Okafor here!

sefant77 · 07-27-2009, 07:48 PM

Wow im so pissed. Okafor is like the PERFECT center (that isnt a allstar/superstar) fit beside Dirk and then he gets traded for freaking done Chandler

Great defense, blocking and still able to score 15PPG.

The Bobcats FO is really the most stupid of the NBA beside Memphis and Milwaukee. And i dont get why we couldnt work out a trade with real salary dump, S&T Bass included as their new PF (beside Diop/Nazr as center). And we would not even need to include Damp.

Probably we would even take Nazr too.

Arrrrrrgh

CanadianMavsFan · 07-27-2009, 07:49 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but Damp for Okafor is very tempting. I'm still not completely sold on the whole DUST chip for a superstar trade happening. If we could pick up Okafor and plug him as our starting center we would be a championship contending team without a doubt.

Nowitzki4President · 07-27-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

I don't know about the rest of you, but Damp for Okafor is very tempting. I'm still not completely sold on the whole DUST chip for a superstar trade happening. If we could pick up Okafor and plug him as our starting center we would be a championship contending team without a doubt.

I agree, expiring contracts to me do seem like fools gold. But I wouldn't trade Damp for Okafor just because I think we'd be able to pull it off without giving him up. If we couldn't though, then it's a tough move because we still haven't re-signed Hollins, so we still don't even have a back up Center.

mavErika · 07-27-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Wow im so pissed. Okafor is like the PERFECT center (that isnt a allstar/superstar) fit beside Dirk and then he gets traded for freaking done Chandler

Great defense, blocking and still able to score 15PPG.

The Bobcats FO is really the most stupid of the NBA beside Memphis and Milwaukee. And i dont get why we couldnt work out a trade with real salary dump, S&T Bass included as their new PF (beside Diop/Nazr as center). And we would not even need to include Damp.

Probably we would even take Nazr too.

Arrrrrrgh

That's how I feel, they get one, if not the most desired piece outthere for freaking Tyson Chandler, who was not even good enough to get some salary relief at the trade deadline!
And you would have thought we've got a good business-relationship to Charlotte...
Now we only can hope it was not our FO calling Charlotte to get Chandler out of NO so they can trade him to Dallas come September!

Mavsfan4ever · 07-27-2009, 08:19 PM

I'm having a discussion with someone on who had the better summer and should be ranked higher next season. Would Dallas signing of Marion, Ross, and Gooden put us above Denver and their picking up Billups? Just curious as to what others thought?

mavErika · 07-27-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Well, maybe with the non health issues, they feel Okafor is easier to move if they're desperate. I can't see WTH they're doing out there, you go from completely doing away with Chandler's salary, to taking on an additional 3-4 years....in a league of movement, I'm guessing they're just moving contracts at this point.

That would explain the Hornets' side of the trade, and I really hope you're right about it. And that NO wouldn't mind to get the salary relief from a division rival(Will the buck-shot still be loaded when NO is able to trade Okafor again?).

But what the effin' hell is Charlotte doing there?!

badfish22 · 07-27-2009, 08:39 PM

Ya if we can trade Damp for Okafor I think Cuban should do it. He said himself he wants to forget about 2010 and go for it this year.
A Kidd/Josh/Marion/Dirk/Okafor starting 5 with JET coming off the bench would be second to none.
I really hope that Cuban isn't letting the 2010 fantasy get in the way of a trade that would make us that much better.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-27-2009, 08:43 PM

Two questions.

1. How long before NO could trade Okafor?

2. Why would NO trade for him just to turn around trade him again?

Nowitzki4President · 07-27-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Two questions.

1. How long before NO could trade Okafor?

2. Why would NO trade for him just to turn around trade him again?

1. I think December like everyone else. Not 100% sure though. Maybe September. One or the other.

2. If they truly were looking to save $. Maybe they couldn't get it out of Charlotte since they too are looking to save $. And Okafor is a much easier asset to trade. So they'll just wait till they can trade him for expirings.

badfish22 · 07-27-2009, 09:02 PM

So has the trade gone official yet?
And who knows maybe Chandler fails the physical again and Charlotte trades him to us! haha

sefant77 · 07-27-2009, 09:10 PM

Kidd-Josh-Marion-Dirk-Okafor would be a fantastic lineup. Freaking offense and defense.

Charlotte is gambling. They are hoping Chandler gets back healthy and produces the Okafors numbers but with a way shorter contract. For me its a way too high gamble. They should have cut Crash first since they can fill SF easy with Radman or Diaw.

What is clear: the second we call Charlotte for a Josh-Crash swap its done. I wonder if Crash is even maybe available for Buck/Williams/Humphries. I would do it even if we would be overloaded but we could pull off nice further trades giving talent back.

I also wonder if there was a chance for a Okafor+Crash trade for Stack/Williams/Wright/S&T Bass....

Mavsfan4ever · 07-27-2009, 09:42 PM

I have heard that the Pacers and Celtics are looking to bring a third team in for a S&T for Daniels. Not sure if either team has what we're looking for though?

StackAttack · 07-27-2009, 09:43 PM

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I have heard that the Pacers and Celtics are looking to bring a third team in for a S&T for Daniels. Not sure if either team has what we're looking for though?

The Pacers are currently one of the biggest collections of career losers I have ever seen, and the only guy that interests me that the Celtics would be willing to part with is Tony Allen.

darkwitzki · 07-27-2009, 09:45 PM

Shooter? Novak, Korver, Miller but no to TimThom...

greensborohill · 07-27-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Two questions.

1. How long before NO could trade Okafor?

2. Why would NO trade for him just to turn around trade him again?

1. Immediately if he is traded away by himself, two months if he is packaged with other players.

2. Not sure.

But you can question why N.O. just gave T-Chand away at mid-season and now are willing to take an evern bigger and longer contract. This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Mek ends up here in a quick turn-around on September 9th.

jthig32 · 07-27-2009, 09:58 PM

I think someone posted this already, but to start the discussion...

From Fish:

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I just got done talking with Donnie Nelson. It was a wide-ranging and far-reaching talk. VERY newsy. I'm sifting through my notes and there's this:
'We're working on some end-of-the-roster business. Moving out some things, nothing earth-shattering. Oh, also, we're working to bring in a shooter.''
This "shooter'' is::
1) "Not necessarily'' a shooting guard
2) Could be considered "more versatile'' a player than Matt Carroll
3) Is, it seems, presently an unrestricted FA.

My hope would be Szczerbiak. My gut, knowing he almost came in the Marion trade, is that it's Tim Thomas.

And allow me to say, if we sign Drew Gooden AND Tim Thomas this offseason I'm going to need therapy.

ribosoma · 07-27-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Those 3 are dangerous but they don't have any depth

This year they drafted Collison to back up Paul and acquired the rights to Marcus Thornton via trade from Miami to develop at SG. Last year, they drafted Julian Wright, who is extremely talented, to develop behind West. They also drafted Hilton Armstrong 3 years ago who they are grooming at the 5. They have tons of young talent that will grow around Paul this year and for many years to come. All of these guys should get more playing time this year, so any questions in regards to depth will be answered soon.

darkwitzki · 07-27-2009, 10:07 PM

Now I get it..Donnie's going after Peja and Okafor !

Mavsfan4ever · 07-27-2009, 10:12 PM

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Now I get it..Donnie's going after Peja and Okafor !

I wish!

Nowitzki4President · 07-27-2009, 10:25 PM

If Okafor can be traded immediately if traded just by himself. That would be nice. Maybe we want something else from NO so then it would be Okafor/??? for Buck shot + filler.

Who knows, but at least if going by himself, he can still be re-dealt.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-27-2009, 10:29 PM

I would LOVE to pick up Okafor but realistically I don't see it happening. I would like to be proven wrong however.

Jon Avalon · 07-27-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

So has the trade gone official yet?
And who knows maybe Chandler fails the physical again and Charlotte trades him to us! haha

yep its done deal
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359609

greensborohill · 07-27-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

If Okafor can be traded immediately if traded just by himself. That would be nice. Maybe we want something else from NO so then it would be Okafor/??? for Buck shot + filler.

Who knows, but at least if going by himself, he can still be re-dealt.

Remember, Buck can only be traded by himself until September 9th.

badfish22 · 07-27-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

I would LOVE to pick up Okafor but realistically I don't see it happening. I would like to be proven wrong however.

Ok that statement made sense like a week ago, but they just traded him for Tyson Chandler! The guy is always hurt and isn't an expiring contract. Surely we could've offered something better than that.

Nowitzki4President · 07-27-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by greensborohill

Remember, Buck can only be traded by himself until September 9th.

Oh, when I typed that, I thought the date he (Okafor) could be dealt was after Buck's date if traded in a package. But it wasn't. And besides, you're right about having to wait for Buck.

In short... My statement makes no sense lol

Jon Avalon · 07-27-2009, 10:37 PM

I'm reading around, not sure if it's actually true. I didn't hear it when fish said it on the radio, but apparently he said we were offered Damp for Okafor but we passed. That better not be true, otherwise wow.