Gortat appears* bound for a team not named the Dallas Mavericks

[sefant77]

Otis will match and demand in 90 days Shawne Williams and a firstrounder from us. Or trade him for a crappy pick to another team just for the pick or cash.

If he does that (and also does that to Gortat) then i hope he dies swallowing their payroll.

[Mavsfan4ever]

I'm calling it right now this time next week Gortat is in Mav's blue.

[sefant77]

(g) After exercising its Right of First Refusal as described in this Section 5, the ROFR Team may not trade the Restricted Free Agent for one (1) year, without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, for one (1) year, neither the ROFR Team exercising its Right of First Refusal nor any other Team may trade the player to the Team whose Offer Sheet was matched.


At least that match to trade him later isnt so easy and still would add several millions to their payroll and LT this year.

[DLord]

Some factual details on the technicalities of Gortat and Orlando:

1. there could be a SNT worked, but it would take the following:
a. all 3 parties agree to rescind the offer sheet
b. then they work a SNT
c. Gortat's base year issues would be easily overcome by their TPE from Turkoglu, so it would become a simple salary match deal.
d. Orlando would have to take back at least 4.61M in salary from Dallas ...would they want to do that? if so, who would they want?
e. Carroll's deal fits nicely in that niche, and the fact it shrinks would help their tax issues in future years. Is he of interest to them? (If they want him, don't wake me from my dream until it's a done deal.)

2. if ORL matches
a. they can't trade G at all until after Dec 15
b. they pay him during that time
c. they can only trade him with his permission, so he controls the destination
d. they can't trade him to Dallas under any condition until 2010-11

3. if ORL matches and tries to trade him
a. who is the other team they think will do trade for him?
b. they have to ask, what if they get stuck with him?
c. Houston was outbid by Dallas ...would they now trade for a bigger contract, PLUS have to add on talent that ORL likes?
d. SA? see Houston
e. others? where were they in free agency
f. ORL still would be forced to take back 4.61M in salary from someone

4. the wildcard in the deck
a. if ORL got interest from a team under the cap like OKC, they could match and trade him there in 90 days ... that assumes OKC would want to spend their cap room in this manner
b. OKC wouldn't have to send back salary since they have cap room ..ORL could just take back a pick or some cash or both
c. but OKC wouldn't be obligated in Dec to do the deal if they changed their mind ...big risk for ORL in such a deal and they could get stuck with a big contract and nowhere to go if something changed (see: DALLAS, Diop-for-Felton 2008)

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You are aware that the Mavs declined to offer Bass MLE-level money, when doing so would have all but guaranteed that he stayed a Mav?

The Mavs could have kept Bass. The money was a bigger issue for Bass than the minutes, because you can always get traded and this was looming as his big chance to get a strong payday.

But while he would have been an asset to stockpile for Dallas, his role had to shrink with the acquisition of Marion (who now soaks up the bulk of the minutes at both forward positions that Dirk-Jho don't take) and at C (where Dampier-Gortat will now use up almost all the minutes, with a few to Dirk I suspect.) The Mavs couldn't justify the expense of paying big money to a player they really have no role for anymore ... and for the same reason, I'm convinced Gortat will be in Dallas: they can't justify the expense.

[sike]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "wink deal" done between Dallas and Orlando during the Marion shuffle.

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by sike

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "wink deal" done between Dallas and Orlando during the Marion shuffle.

That sort of thought is what keeps me optimistic.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by DLord

c. Houston was outbid by Dallas ...would they now trade for a bigger contract, PLUS have to add on talent that ORL likes?
d. SA? see Houston

I get what you are saying, but it's not necessarily what happened. If Houston and/or SA were willing to go the full MLE on Gortat, then they weren't outbid by Dallas--at least from the perspective of their own interest. From the perspective of Gortat's interest they obviously were indeed outbid, but if we are talking about the possibility of Orlando matching and trading him this winter, then Gortat's own interests no longer matter.

It may have been the case that Houston and/or SA--or even Dallas, for that matter--would have been willing to pay more than the MLE and also add some talent, if a sign-and-trade was in play and that's what it took to get the deal done. We don't know the answer to that.

You may well be describing the situation (with Houston/SA) exactly as it is, but there is certainly no proof of that.

[darkwitzki]

Sometimes, you have to trust your sources.

What I'm hearing is that the Mavericks are very likely to end up with Marcin Gortat, despite the 6-11 center's comments online to the contrary.

The players are not normally the ones that hear first that they are being kept or sent on.

All I can say is that the Mavericks seem pretty darn confident about this thing. I'm not saying there is a deal here. But I think the fact that Donnie Nelson has known Otis Smith since the Golden State days may help the situation here.

They know they are going to have to do business down the road.

Bottom line: Gortat is going to be a Maverick. That's the betting favorite right now.

--Eddie Sefko

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

That sort of thought is what keeps me optimistic.

Same here. We all want to see him on the Mavs. So...we just sit and wait.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I get what you are saying, but it's not necessarily what happened. If Houston and/or SA were willing to go the full MLE on Gortat, then they weren't outbid by Dallas--at least from the perspective of their own interest. From the perspective of Gortat's interest they obviously were indeed outbid, but if we are talking about the possibility of Orlando matching and trading him this winter, then Gortat's own interests no longer matter.

It may have been the case that Houston and/or SA--or even Dallas, for that matter--would have been willing to pay more than the MLE and also add some talent, if a sign-and-trade was in play and that's what it took to get the deal done. We don't know the answer to that.

You may well be describing the situation (with Houston/SA) exactly as it is, but there is certainly no proof of that.

I know I read somewhere that Houston did not offer the full MLE. I don't remember if it was less year or less money (or both), but I remember reading it.

[twistaeffect2004]

Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Sometimes, you have to trust your sources.

What I'm hearing is that the Mavericks are very likely to end up with Marcin Gortat, despite the 6-11 center's comments online to the contrary.

The players are not normally the ones that hear first that they are being kept or sent on.

All I can say is that the Mavericks seem pretty darn confident about this thing. I'm not saying there is a deal here. But I think the fact that Donnie Nelson has known Otis Smith since the Golden State days may help the situation here.

They know they are going to have to do business down the road.

Bottom line: Gortat is going to be a Maverick. That's the betting favorite right now.

--Eddie Sefko

That makes me feel good seeing that, but I'm not sure anyone know's whats going to happen at this point other than Otis Smith. Maybe he's let some whispers out, but, everything right now is opinion.

Logic will tell you he'll be a Mav, but... you never know.

[sike]

Oh no....Sefko is saying Gortot is safe??!!!

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I know I read somewhere that Houston did not offer the full MLE. I don't remember if it was less year or less money (or both), but I remember reading it.

Fair enough. I didn't know that. Was that before or after the Yao news, though? It would seem a bit odd to favor Ariza over Gortat if you don't have a center.

The other thing I've been pondering is...has Gortat's stock risen considerably since the Mavs signed him to the offer sheet? I'm thinking about the NFL and NBA drafts, where stocks can swing wildly in short periods, sometimes perhaps for no other reason than "buzz"--other teams are valuing the player, so maybe you should be too. I don't know...it just seems that quite a few people have lauded the Mavs for finding a bargain in Gortat. If that's true, then on the "do over," the bargain doesn't go as cheap.

[mavErika]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

... but if we are talking about the possibility of Orlando matching and trading him this winter, then Gortat's own interests no longer matter.

I guess you skipped 2c of DLord's analysis of the pending Gortat trade? I think the question would be if he really likes the prospect of playing in Dallas so much more over Houston or SA that he's willing to wait until next season to get here.
As for the Houston offer: I'm sure it was a lot less money at a time when Yao was already out for the season. I don't know about the length of their offer, but money-wise it was like 3 - 3,5mio a year. But you never know, maybe they changed their mind after exploring the market for big men with almost two weeks into free agency.

Originally Posted by DLord

2. if ORL matches
a. they can't trade G at all until after Dec 15
b. they pay him during that time
c. they can only trade him with his permission, so he controls the destination
d. they can't trade him to Dallas under any condition until 2010-11

4. the wildcard in the deck
a. if ORL got interest from a team under the cap like OKC, they could match and trade him there in 90 days ... that assumes OKC would want to spend their cap room in this manner
b. OKC wouldn't have to send back salary since they have cap room ..ORL could just take back a pick or some cash or both
c. but OKC wouldn't be obligated in Dec to do the deal if they changed their mind ...big risk for ORL in such a deal and they could get stuck with a big contract and nowhere to go if something changed (see: DALLAS, Diop-for-Felton 2008)

I hope DLord doesn't intend to put the OKC-part on the website because I'm not exactly sure they're fully aware of their situation in this.[url]

[tcat075]

Sefko seems to have inside info that Gortat is indeed coming here and Orlando will not match.

Trust that Gortat will be here
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Sometimes, you have to trust your sources.

What I'm hearing is that the Mavericks are very likely to end up with Marcin Gortat, despite the 6-11 center's comments online to the contrary.

The players are not normally the ones that hear first that they are being kept or sent on.

All I can say is that the Mavericks seem pretty darn confident about this thing. I'm not saying there is a deal here. But I think the fact that Donnie Nelson has known Otis Smith since the Golden State days may help the situation here.

They know they are going to have to do business down the road.

Bottom line: Gortat is going to be a Maverick. That's the betting favorite right now.

--Eddie Sefko

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by mavErika

I guess you skipped 2c of DLord's analysis of the pending Gortat trade?

Yes, you are correct. I was not aware of the rules in this case. But for the sake of argument, we know that Gortat wants playing time. Is there any reason to believe he would refuse a trade to Houston in that scenario?

As for the Houston offer: I'm sure it was a lot less money at a time when Yao was already out for the season. I don't know about the length of their offer, but money-wise it was like 3 - 3,5mio a year. But you never know, maybe they changed their mind after exploring the market for big men with almost two weeks into free agency.

Exactly. These things are fluid. But then again, as David points out, Orlando can't count that as money in the bank, for the same reasons.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by sike

Oh no....Sefko is saying Gortot is safe??!!!

Safe from what? Orlando or Dallas?

You got a link?

[darkwitzki]

LAS VEGAS -- Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said the team isn't quite there yet in terms of making an announcement regarding the prognosis for center Yao Ming and his left foot.

But what he will say unequivocally is that his team needs a center, and he's going to go out and get one.

"I think we're probably going to have to trade for a center," Morey said after watching the Rockets beat the Warriors 73-69 in an NBA Summer League game. "That will probably be the plan at this point. There are a few free agents that might be later fill-ins, but I think most likely we'll address some of our needs through trades."

At this point the Rockets don't know how long they'll be without Yao, who has a hairline fracture in his left foot. The NBA has already granted the Rockets an injury exception to the salary cap in anticipation of Yao missing the entire year, although Yao is still eligible to play should he make an unexpectedly quick recovery. Morey said he's optimistic the injury will not end Yao's career.

"We're going to make a joint release with Yao's advisors when we decide on a course of treatment," Morey said. "Before that we're going to stay quiet on it because we don't really know until that decision is made what will happen.


Something's cookin', Rockets will go all out for a center, better not be our hammer.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by darkwitzki

LAS VEGAS -- Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said the team isn't quite there yet in terms of making an announcement regarding the prognosis for center Yao Ming and his left foot.

But what he will say unequivocally is that his team needs a center, and he's going to go out and get one.

"I think we're probably going to have to trade for a center," Morey said after watching the Rockets beat the Warriors 73-69 in an NBA Summer League game. "That will probably be the plan at this point. There are a few free agents that might be later fill-ins, but I think most likely we'll address some of our needs through trades."

At this point the Rockets don't know how long they'll be without Yao, who has a hairline fracture in his left foot. The NBA has already granted the Rockets an injury exception to the salary cap in anticipation of Yao missing the entire year, although Yao is still eligible to play should he make an unexpectedly quick recovery. Morey said he's optimistic the injury will not end Yao's career.

"We're going to make a joint release with Yao's advisors when we decide on a course of treatment," Morey said. "Before that we're going to stay quiet on it because we don't really know until that decision is made what will happen.


Something's cookin', Rockets will go all out for a center, better not be our hammer.

I'd rather it be damp...

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'd rather it be damp...

There's no Sammy's left on the Rockets, so no. Think Dust Chip 2010. (If somebody said these two sentences a month ago, you'd think they're talking some jibberish and are on something.)

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

There's no Sammy's left on the Rockets, so no. Think Dust Chip 2010. (If somebody said these two sentences a month ago, you'd think they're talking some jibberish and are on something.)

And if someone said them just now, you'd think they were some sort of fanboy.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by DLord

The Mavs could have kept Bass. The money was a bigger issue for Bass than the minutes, because you can always get traded and this was looming as his big chance to get a strong payday.

But while he would have been an asset to stockpile for Dallas, his role had to shrink with the acquisition of Marion (who now soaks up the bulk of the minutes at both forward positions that Dirk-Jho don't take) and at C (where Dampier-Gortat will now use up almost all the minutes, with a few to Dirk I suspect.) The Mavs couldn't justify the expense of paying big money to a player they really have no role for anymore ... and for the same reason, I'm convinced Gortat will be in Dallas: they can't justify the expense.

Precisely the point I was making.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

And if someone said them just now, you'd think they were some sort of fanboy.

?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

And if someone said them just now, you'd think they were some sort of fanboy.

Or perhaps informed.

[foglemann]

After reading all this, I shouldn't have watched all those YouTube Polish Hammer videos. I haven't been more pumped up for a white center in my life.

[eyedentifyme]

Rockets are probably looking to trade for Samuel Dalembert and Elton Brand cuz the Sixers want to re-sign Andre Iguodala.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by eyedentifyme

Rockets are probably looking to trade for Samuel Dalembert and Elton Brand cuz the Sixers want to re-sign Andre Iguodala.

Wha?!?

(C Asks jthig if he can borrow his desk to repeatedly slam own head into it)

Iguodala is already signed through at least the next 4 years.

[FINtastic]

You guys are going to break that desk before too long.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

eyedentifyme always just makes up whatever facts he feels like.

The man has underrated comical value on this forum.

Mavs payroll is around 28 million (Dirk opts out, not renewing Josh's contract) before the start of the 2010-11 season. We should be able to get 2 All-Stars in here to help Dirk and Kidd (Lebron at 27 million a year, Bosh at 23 million a year, resign Dirk for 5 million that one year, get rid of Dampier, resign Kidd to 10 mill). At about a 98 million dollar payroll we would have Kidd/Jet/Lebron/Dirk/Bosh/Barea/Green/Foster/Hollins/Williams/Wright. With Baron Davis's contract we won't get this done. After that season, Mav's payroll would jump again with Dirk getting more money as well. Out-bidding NY, NJ, Detroit, and Cleveland, is still an option without Baron's fat contract.

Probably because Green has 9.5 fingers and Carlisle doesn't like handicap people (i.e. Stackhouse deactivated b/c of gimpy ankle).

What about the Mavs trying to acquire Travis Outlaw from the Portland Trailblazers via a sign and trade? He has some good abilities. Would he be able to play SG for us?

followed up by...

My bad, I meant what do you think about pursuing a trade for Travis Outlaw. And it looks like the answer is a no, since he's not a SG.

A lot teams use center by committee anyways, if push comes to shove, Hollins and Singleton should use all 12 of their fouls...

To get something, you have to give up something in potentially good players like Wright and Williams despite Phoenix not saving any money.

Stack/Damp/Carroll/Wright/Williams/George for Korver, Boozer, and AK47 could be had. Stackhouse for Anthony Johnson and Mickael Pietrus could be had. Josh Howard/Stack/Ahmad Nivins/Jason Terry/2nd Rd Pk to Atlanta for Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Maurice Evans could be had (yeah, I'm in dreamland).

I thought Milwaukee wants to get rid of Michael Redd? We improve our bench by moving Jason Kidd to man the point guard spot as a reserve while thus having more bench scoring in Redd to go along with Jet. Our starting lineup will have two guys who can score in the low post with either Kaman or Villanueva while Dirk can spot out at the three point line and nail his threes or the same with Baron Davis or Redd. They can then change the system more towards the Orlando Magic system in which they feed the ball to Superman with four three point shooters around. Donnie and Cuban need to make this happen.

funny ass response this above statement..

Originally Posted by CadBane

Yeah, relegating Dirk to become Radmonavich is a great idea too.

Green may be back because who else will represent the Dallas Mavericks in the 2010 Slam Dunk contest in Dallas in 2010 against Lebron James, Dwight Howard, J.R. Smith, and Nate Robinson.

give them stackhouse, williams, and wright for butler

If this inconsistency crap continues, even Dirk will want to join San Antonio to win a championship.

Thanks for the info DLord. And yes, I got pwned. I do apologize for being ignorant on the subject.

[Dario1969]

http://www.orlandomagicdaily.com/?p=...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

It will be a full week until we officially find out about Marcin Gortat's status »

Marcin Gortat talks his current situation, his offensive development, and the possiblity of staying in Orlando

07/10/09 | by Zach McCann | Categories: Interviews


Marcin Gortat's mood was very interesting today at the summer league. While talking to reporters, he initially said he felt like Orlando was going to match the Mavericks' offer because they hadn't been able to sign another big man. Then, when a reporter informed Gortat that the Magic signed Bass, he pretty much conceded that his days were done in Orlando.

How does the Brandon Bass signing affect your situation?

Marcin Gortat: I haven?t heard anything about it. If that?s what happened, it doesn?t look like they?re going to pay all this money for a backup guy who?s going to play 10 minutes a game. That explains a lot to me, and I just have to get ready for a trip to Dallas.

How would you rate your offensive game?

Marcin Gortat: I believe my offensive game is on a good level right now. I just didn?t get a chance to show people in the league. My role on the team was to play defense, to rebound and block the shots, run the break, give as much energy as I can. I still believe my offensive game is pretty good. It?s not great, but I think it?s pretty good. Obviously I?m going to work on my game and I?m going to try and show it.

Do you feel like you haven?t been given a chance to show your offensive game?

Marcin Gortat: I think there are a couple of teams who have seen me play back in Europe, and national teams and summer leagues and certain tournaments in Europe. But I don?t think a lot of teams have seen me play as an offensive guy in the NBA.

NOTE: After the jump, there's a transcript of the portion of the interview before he learned of the Brandon Bass signing. He even goes on to say "I think they will," when asked about the Magic matching the Mavericks' offer.

Follow up:

Do you think there?s any chance the Magic will match the Mavericks? offer?

Marcin Gortat: I think they will. At least that?s what I feel like. What?s going to happen later? We?ll see. All of this is like an iceberg, and you never know. You can laugh, you can smile, but at the end of the day people are saying they won?t match, they won?t match, but then at the end of the day you realize they might match. I?m pretty cool. I?m pretty chilled. I?m down right now and I don?t think there?s anything else to be worried about that.

Do you feel like it?s a win-win situation in either city?

Marcin Gortat: That?s the point. It?s not like it?s going to be a win. Either way it?s going to be a great situation for me. Either way I?m getting paid. But the thing is that I want to develop my game. I want to become a better basketball player at the end of the day. And obviously, Orlando is going to give me a lot of chance to develop my game, but I don?t know that they can give me the same minutes that Dallas can give me. We?ve got to be honest about that.

What do you think your role would be if you came back to the Magic?

Marcin Gortat: I don?t think I?m going to be a point guard, but I?m definitely going to be backup for Dwight and I?m going to fight for being able to get some time at the 4. Now that Brandon Bass is here, I don?t know. Paying so much money for a backup center, I don?t know if that?s going to work.

Would you be disappointed if the Magic match the offer and you?re forced to stay?

Marcin Gortat: Not at all. There?s a team that invested a lot of time in me. Not only 2 years in the NBA, but the 2 or 3 years before I got into the NBA to develop my game before the summer league and in the summer league. I?ve been with this team since 2005. I won?t be disappointed. I feel really comfortable here in this city and in this organization.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Wha?!?

Asks jthig if he can borrow his desk to repeatedly slam own head into it.

Thiggy's desk is going to be in shreds before it's all said and done.

[mavs777]

"Lebron at 27 million a year, Bosh at 23 million a year, resign Dirk for 5 million that one year, get rid of Dampier, resign Kidd to 10 mill). "


likely Kidd gets 10 mill Dirk 5 mill

[GMFFDHT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOGu...eature=related

Gortat didn't just hang around the orlando summer league - but played a lot of minutes...check the boxscores...

[CadBane]

eyedentifyme is the illegitimate offspring of horse and Terry Shaivo.

[sefant77]

There is a guy on a magic forum that tell he has "inside sources". He posted the Bass signing hours before it was official and now he posted the magic will match Gortat monday.

Well, with Bass he could guessed it lucky with the timing, the magic fans also dont know exactly what to think. True or attention whore.

But im a little bit worried, also with the center headlines from Houston.

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/foru...m/f/8891029871

moldy_hobo is the guy, you can see his 2 threads there.

[grndmstr_c]

Wake me when there's actual news on Gortat.

[mary]

I think we're about to get screwed.

[jthig32]

Give me a break.

[quietsavant]

Otis will match and trade to houston for someone. Why does stuff like this always happen? our fate always tied with someone else's action ala denver losing to the blazers and spurs beating the hornets for playoffs

[DevinHarriswillstart]

The only reason I see the Magic matching is if they think of him as a trade asset. The negative side to that though (for them) is that they'd still have to take on some kind of salary in a trade. Centers are always in high demand and almost always tradable though (see Diop).