Official Mavs 2020 Draft/Free Agency Thread - Page 14 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Luka4eva

Sources say #mavs #nets are discussing joe harris snt + picks in effort to accumulate more assets so #nets can make attempt to trade for Harden.

Yuck I hope not.

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Luka4eva

Sources say #mavs #nets are discussing joe harris snt + picks in effort to accumulate more assets so #nets can make attempt to trade for Harden.

I don't see that rumor, but it's interesting.

I assume we'd be trading away 18 for Harris so Nets could offer Rockets more?

6'6" dude. Was pretty solid defensively while hitting 43% from three. Not a physical specimen, but he's smart like Rick likes.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Luka4eva

Sources say #mavs #nets are discussing joe harris snt + picks in effort to accumulate more assets so #nets can make attempt to trade for Harden.

Hi, welcome to the boards!

Try posting links to your sources from now on so people don't get confused. And it's easy to fall into the false rumor trap, not that I'm saying this happened.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yuck I hope not.

This rumor isn't much better. NO way I'd trade the 18th pick for Lou Williams unless it was a lot more than that.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...49444161511424

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I had no issue with the moves but with the salary cap and free agents like Walker and Brogdon out there.....I felt disappointed that all we could get was Delon Wright and Seth Curry back. I really thought Wright would have a bigger impact here though.

Yeah, for sure. They had Walker. Done deal. And then Ainge Ainged.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This rumor isn't much better. NO way I'd trade the 18th pick for Lou Williams unless it was a lot more than that.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...49444161511424

I know, right? Wright straight up - I'm IN.

Wright/#18? OOOOUUUUUUUUUTTTT

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I'm trying to understand how Rubio would be a good fit. I'm down for it if Luka wants him here, but I agree. I just don't see it. I expect Rubio to remain a terrific player in this league though. You said it though.

Yeah I'm honestly not seeing. Its not that I wouldn't want him on my team if we could get him for a 2nd rounder sure. But if I'm actually trading the little assets I have? I can't do it. He's not going to put my team over the hump.

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

You don't see a High IQ, stud defensive guard that can run the offense and spot up as a good fit? We desperately need 2 way players, and he is unquestionably that. I don't think we end up with him, but there should be no denying he would fit IMO.

Yeah I don't know if I feel as highly about him as you do. My issue is that he's wasted here with a ball dominant guard in Luka. Offensively I want guys around Luka who don't need the ball in their hands. You don't trade for Rubio and expect him to not have the ball in his hands.

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

I think Rubio is dead. People are starting to say that Chris Paul prefers LAC (OKC wanted PHX because the offer was better). I'm sad.

Anyone interested in Lou Williams or Patrick Beverly? Those guys will be up for grabs in a 3-way if Paul goes to LAC.

Those guys fit the bill of I'd like them on my team but for the right price. I'd more so prefer Lou Williams. I think Lou is criminally underrated.

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Originally Posted by tap2390

If Chris Paul is smart he will avoid the Clippers and go to the Suns. Why join a team that perpetually underachieves when you can instead overachieve with the suns like you did with the thunder last year? Only reason I can think of is his state farm commercials.

It would be much easier to win with the Clippers though. I think at this point in Paul's career he wants it to be easier than harder.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2020, 11:12 AM

Plus, if teams are lining up for the 18th pick, then you should be able to get a really good if not great package.

Then again, if everyone wants that pick, maybe you should consider why?

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Then again, if everyone wants that pick, maybe you should consider why?

Everyone wants the pick to improve their offers to a few teams for a few players that everyone is competing for in trade.

For example, the reason Lou Williams is floated is because LAC needs to find someway to get a pick to trade for Chris Paul. This is why we keep seeing rumors of three way deals that include Dallas.

Ditto for the Harden situation, the Holiday situation and maybe the Oladipo situation. Teams are desperately trying to gather enough ammo to make those deals.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2020, 12:01 PM

Hmm, interesting...

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1328380615318794240

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hmm, interesting...

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1328380615318794240

Yeah, I just saw this. Pretty shocking, imo. He must've gotten an offer.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:04 PM

WCS JUST bought a house here. Like, a month ago. Something weird is going on.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2020, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

WCS JUST bought a house here. Like, a month ago. Something weird is going on.

Again, these guys buying houses here means nothing in regards to what team they will play for. It may mean a little more in his case because he isn't exactly making that much.

I have never been sure WCS was going to opt in.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Again, these guys buying houses here means nothing in regards to what team they will play for.

I have never been sure WCS was going to opt in.

I agree about the finances, but it was so recent, and right before an interview in which he GUSHED about how much he loves being here and playing for Carlisle.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:14 PM

Unless he's opting out to get an EXTENSION, I still can't see it, personally.

It would be a bad move on his part to opt out.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2020, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

I agree about the finances, but it was so recent, and right before an interview in which he GUSHED about how much he loves being here and playing for Carlisle.

Yea, idk maybe they're working on something. I thought last year Rick missed too many chances to give WCS minutes and eventually kinda lost him. Won't be long until we find out.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea, idk maybe they're working on something. I thought last year Rick missed too many chances to give WCS minutes and eventually kinda lost him. Won't be long until we find out.

Lots of people thought that, but from his own mouth, we know that's not true.

He has been wearing Mavs gear in publicly posted workouts non-stop.

He's in no position to do better financially (I don't believe).

It's not adding up.

BPo001 · 11-16-2020, 12:17 PM

#BREAKING: Mavericks star Kristaps Porzingis will not be ready when the NBA season resumes on Dec. 22, GM and President of Basketball Operations Donnie Nelson said Monday on 105.3 The Fan.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2020, 12:19 PM

Let the KP Flaming begin! lol

Christian Wood...anybody?

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

#BREAKING: Mavericks star Kristaps Porzingis will not be ready when the NBA season resumes on Dec. 22, GM and President of Basketball Operations Donnie Nelson said Monday on 105.3 The Fan.

Very good news. We know, once and for all, that he had a meniscus REPAIR, and not a partial REMOVAL.

Long term, this is wonderful news.

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Let the KP Flaming begin! lol

Christian Wood...anybody?

Yep! He was really good when they shipped out Drummond.

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea, idk maybe they're working on something. I thought last year Rick missed too many chances to give WCS minutes and eventually kinda lost him. Won't be long until we find out.

Yeah I never expected him back honestly. He should’ve been getting more minutes than he did.

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Plus, if teams are lining up for the 18th pick, then you should be able to get a really good if not great package.

Then again, if everyone wants that pick, maybe you should consider why?

Yeah that’s what I’d be wondering. Why is everyone coveting that pick? There seems to be good draft value there.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-16-2020, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

Very good news. We know, once and for all, that he had a meniscus REPAIR, and not a partial REMOVAL.

Long term, this is wonderful news.

Yeah, long term it is good. Short term though, oof. Recovery time is 3-6 months and he apparently had the surgery on October 9th. Let's just hope his recovery is much closer to the 3 months than the 6, because if it's 6, that means he's not back until May and he's basically missed the entire season.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Yeah, long term it is good. Short term though, oof. Recovery time is 3-6 months and he apparently had the surgery on October 9th. Let's just hope his recovery is much closer to the 3 months than the 6, because if it's 6, that means he's not back until May and he's basically missed the entire season.

That sucks, no disagreement.

But, if we're being real, we should all realize the Mavs have almost no chance to win the championship this season, right?

It's not a serious injury, and they're taking a long term view, which I find encouraging.

Would be nice to count WCS among those with an opportunity to pick up the slack in the meantime, though. THAT is what I'm freaking out about.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2020, 01:00 PM

Still think it's odd that he waited 7 weeks to get the surgery. I know people defend it saying he might not need surgery, but come on, this is KP. You're not risking another knee injury by NOT having the surgery.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 01:15 PM

CP3 to the SUNS!

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...071730694?s=20

THE RUBIO DREAM LIVES!!!

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 01:18 PM

Suns just got a lot better.

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2020, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Suns just got a lot better.

They're dangerous

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 01:21 PM

Hey, better THEM than the CLIPPERS, from a Mavs' standpoint!!!

Luka4eva · 11-16-2020, 01:28 PM

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...437741057?s=20

Thespiralgoeson · 11-16-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Still think it's odd that he waited 7 weeks to get the surgery. I know people defend it saying he might not need surgery, but come on, this is KP. You're not risking another knee injury by NOT having the surgery.

You're also risking multiple injuries and diminished ability by having the surgery. If not having surgery is an option, that is ALWAYS the far, far better option.

It is odd, but we don't actually know why he didn't get the surgery. For all we know, it was his doctors' orders. We know the initial wait was the hope that he wouldn't need the surgery, but after that it could have been that he needed to wait before he COULD have the surgery. My understanding is that you generally can't have that surgery right away. Perhaps the parts of the tissue that can heal need time to do so before the other parts can be repaired? I have no idea.

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2020, 01:33 PM

Updated look at OKC Thunder's future draft picks

2020:
Nuggets 1st round pick
Lakers 1st-rd pick

2021:
Own 1st
Heat 1st
HOU pick-swap

2022:
Own 1st
Clips 1st
Suns 1st

2023:
Own 1st
Clips pick-swap
Heat 1st

2024:
Own 1st
Clips 1st
HOU 1st

2026:
Own 1st
Clips 1st
HOU 1st

Thespiralgoeson · 11-16-2020, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Luka4eva

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...437741057?s=20

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Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
19m
The Mavs have targeted Jan. 1 as the date that Kristaps Porzingis will be cleared for on-court activity, president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson tells ESPN. Nelson revealed on
@1053thefan
today that Porzingis (knee surgery) will be sidelined to start the season."

Wow! If that's true, that's about the best possible outcome we ever could have hoped for.

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

"
Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
19m
The Mavs have targeted Jan. 1 as the date that Kristaps Porzingis will be cleared for on-court activity, president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson tells ESPN. Nelson revealed on
@1053thefan
today that Porzingis (knee surgery) will be sidelined to start the season."

Wow! If that's true, that's about the best possible outcome we ever could have hoped for.

With his injury history...that seems like rushing him back.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-16-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Updated look at OKC Thunder's future draft picks

2020:
Nuggets 1st round pick
Lakers 1st-rd pick

2021:
Own 1st
Heat 1st
HOU pick-swap

2022:
Own 1st
Clips 1st
Suns 1st

2023:
Own 1st
Clips pick-swap
Heat 1st

2024:
Own 1st
Clips 1st
HOU 1st

2026:
Own 1st
Clips 1st
HOU 1st

Yeah, I firmly believe this is the best possible way to rebuild a franchise when your title window has closed. Trade all your top players and load up on draft picks.

That Russ-CP3 trade might go down as one of the all-time swindles, along with the Celtics-Nets trade a few years back. Why the F Houston ever thought Russ was worth trading their entire future for, I have NO idea. They gave everything they had and more because they apparently thought Russ's value was so much higher than CP3's. Now look where those players are. CP3's stock is higher than it's been in years, and Russ is demanding a trade out of Houston- and seemingly nobody is interested.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-16-2020, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

With his injury history...that seems like rushing him back.

*shrug*

The doctors are presumably the ones saying it. Not me.

EDIT- For what it's worth, I HIGHLY doubt he'll be back that soon. I'm betting it will be at least another month.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-16-2020, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

That sucks, no disagreement.

But, if we're being real, we should all realize the Mavs have almost no chance to win the championship this season, right?

Championship? No. Improving and making some noise in the western conference? Hell yes. And that is absolutely what we should all want. Especially if we're serious about landing a big fish in free agency next summer.

BPo001 · 11-16-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

With his injury history...that seems like rushing him back.

Maybe. I just says that he will clear for on court activity. Not that he will be returning to the lineup.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Championship? No. Improving and making some noise in the western conference? Hell yes. And that is absolutely what we should all want. Especially if we're serious about landing a big fish in free agency next summer.

Can't argue with that, which is why I'm not freaking out, because I view this news from the angle that it's the most likely way he's healthy and playing well when the playoffs get here.

If he misses the PLAYOFFS two years in a row, I'll be joining team "the sky is falling."