Mavs get Parsons!!!

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The case for "rationalization" or "revisionist history" (and I'm not saying you said those things) would be a lot more compelling if his actions weren't entirely consistent with the idea.

If people (again, not you) want to think it's just a coincidence that Cuban skipped one particular FA meeting out of three--even though all three of them happened at the same time of year, and he's been on Shark Tank all three times--I find that curious. I find it especially curious because, as you point out, many of his comments well before the meeting hinted at disagreement among the FO. He made no similar comments before the latter two FA meetings, which he attended.

*edit* Would also note that the "revisionist history" comment to which BG responded was accusing people in this thread--not Cuban himself--of revisionist history right now. Hence BG's response that it's not exactly revisionist history when the information is several years old and contemporaneous with the event.

Ah, fair enough on the last paragraph.

Ironically, I both agree and disagree with you on this subject.

First you said this:

As I understand it, Cuban didn't want Deron. Donnie and/or Rick did. Cuban's staying at Shark Tank was subterfuge. Notice how he's been there in person for the two big FA meetings since.

I don't think you meant it quite like you stated it here. I don't believe for a second that not going was out and out subterfuge. (Although I now realize that you may just mean that he used Shark Tank as a reason to not go, not that he was intentionally sabotaging the meeting)

I think this more nuanced argument is probably pretty close to the truth:

Sure they would have. Cuban was willing to pay the dough if the guy said yes, or else he would have just told Donnie and Rick, "No, I'm not meeting with them and neither are you." He was willing to defer to his lieutenants, he just wasn't sold enough to attend the meeting himself.

[kg_veteran]

Why are people arguing over whether Cuban wanted Deron Williams?

[BGMaverick9]

Didn't see your earlier post, jthig32.

I can tell you for a fact, a high-ranking official confirmed that the interest in Deron was not fully sincere.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Ah, fair enough on the last paragraph.

Ironically, I both agree and disagree with you on this subject.

First you said this:


I don't think you meant it quite like you stated it here. I don't believe for a second that not going was out and out subterfuge. (Although I now realize that you may just mean that he used Shark Tank as a reason to not go, not that he was intentionally sabotaging the meeting)

I think this more nuanced argument is probably pretty close to the truth:

Yeah, that was just a poor usage of the word subterfuge on my part.

[Windmill360]

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Why are people arguing over whether Cuban wanted Deron Williams?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Why are people arguing over whether Cuban wanted Deron Williams?

Cause we're giant Mavs nerds and we're bored.

(Or is that just me?)

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Cause we're giant Mavs nerds and we're bored.

(Or is that just me?)

Co-signed. My Friday nights ain't what they used to be, both happily and sadly.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Why are people arguing over whether Cuban wanted Deron Williams?

Because 11pm Sunday.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Didn't see your earlier post, jthig32.

I can tell you for a fact, a high-ranking official confirmed that the interest in Deron was not fully sincere.

And again, I completely believe you. And I tend to agree that all the signs point to the fact that it wasn't, to a certain extent. But I don't think the fact that this person told you that makes it "fact".

[sefant77]

If it was Cubans fault that Deron went from 50:50 to 51:49 for the Nets then it was the best thing ever...

Deron Williams with glass ankles
$19,754,465
$21,042,800
$22,331,135

[Popeye]

I'm sure Cuban had some doubts about Williams, but he ultimately approved a max contract offer to him. Knowing Cuban's personality I don't think he was bullied into this decision by Donnie or Carlisle. So to now say Cuban didn't want Derron and THAT's why he missed the meeting is a bit revisionist.

Anyway, I'm 99% sure Houston matches on Parsons. Not sure what the Mavs do now with all this financial flexibility.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

Was he restricted? I remember the part where he gave Cuban time to match, but I thought he was totally free

He probably was. Cuban seems to like to let all of his players get to free agency. Now that is a philosophy of Cuban.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Because it's a very natural human reaction to rationalize how much you wanted something in the first place when you don't get it.

True... I can just hear cubes now saying he really didn't want parsons at that cost, but was just messing with Houston after they match.

[EricaLubarsky]

Wow! Morey strong-armed Clint Capela into playing overseas to clear the cap space of a first-rounder because he was so certain Bosh would sign. Now that Bosh isn't coming, Morey now having to negotiate a buy-out to bring Capela in for next-years roster.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=268&f=2144&t=12984794

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Wow! Morey strong-armed Clint Capela into playing overseas to clear the cap space of a first-rounder because he was so certain Bosh would sign. Now that Bosh isn't coming, Morey now having to negotiate a buy-out to bring Capela in for next-years roster.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=268&f=2144&t=12984794

I'm not sure i like a lot of Morey's actions in the last couple of years. He's hell bent on turning that roster into a contender, and doesn't really care who's neck he has to step on to get there (Lin, Capela?). Regardless, i really don't think McHale is the answer for them. It looks like with him they simply can't implement a defensive culture that's needed to win in the NBA.

[Kante]

So, Murphy is REALLY arguing with BG who is right? That BG who has insider information like we all know and are thankful for? Wow...

[dude1394]

Why shouldn't Murphy argue with BG?

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Kante

So, Murphy is REALLY arguing with BG who is right? That BG who has insider information like we all know and are thankful for? Wow...

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[Murphy3]

I know it's unpopular on this board to say anything negative about the mavs brain trust, but they're been a group of bumbling idiots the past three years for the most part. Perhaps they're starting to turn it around, but that is yet to be seen. They literally were convinced that they were the smartest guys in the room when it came to the CBA. And it bit them in the rear. They've yet to recover and they've pissed away three years of Dirk's career. The window is closing..

[MavsFTR]

It's incredible how all nuance is lost on you.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

I'm not sure i like a lot of Morey's actions in the last couple of years. He's hell bent on turning that roster into a contender, and doesn't really care who's neck he has to step on to get there (Lin, Capela?). Regardless, i really don't think McHale is the answer for them. It looks like with him they simply can't implement a defensive culture that's needed to win in the NBA.

Photoshopping Melo into Lin's jersey was absolutely classless.

And I'm glad they keep McHale for that very reason. He just doesn't understand coaching fundamentals.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I know it's unpopular on this board to say anything negative about the mavs brain trust, but they're been a group of bumbling idiots the past three years for the most part. Perhaps they're starting to turn it around, but that is yet to be seen. They literally were convinced that they were the smartest guys in the room when it came to the CBA. And it bit them in the rear. They've yet to recover and they've pissed away three years of Dirk's career. The window is closing..

Yeah, getting Ellis for $8 million a year was stupid. . . . . .

Having a great relationship with Dirk so he will take a massive pay cut is stupid . . . . . . .


What a bunch of idiots. I guess we were just lucky in 2011.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

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You're entitled to your opinion. Have at it with the mudslinging.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I know it's unpopular on this board to say anything negative about the mavs brain trust, but they're been a group of bumbling idiots the past three years for the most part. Perhaps they're starting to turn it around, but that is yet to be seen. They literally were convinced that they were the smartest guys in the room when it came to the CBA. And it bit them in the rear. They've yet to recover and they've pissed away three years of Dirk's career. The window is closing..

Our front office also completely trashed Houston's finances this year. What a bunch of bumbling idiots we have.

I don't know you personally, but you'd trade life situations with BG any day. Jealous much?

[chumdawg]

We're talking about an operation run by a man whose father (and presumably mentor) famously said, with regard to speaking truths to reporters, "If my lips are moving, I'm lying."

Um, no. The "fact" that a high-up said something to BG or any other reporter does not at all make that something true.

[Kante]

@espn_macmahon: Hearing that Rockets are having advanced talks with Luol Deng and Trevor Ariza. Good sign for Mavs re: Chandler Parsons.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Kante

@espn_macmahon: Hearing that Rockets are having advanced talks with Luol Deng and Trevor Ariza. Good sign for Mavs re: Chandler Parsons.

Luol Deng could play the 4 for them? Not sure if this is their thinking.. I wouldn't want to pay luxury tax money for that team... but you never know with Morey running the show.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by Kante

@espn_macmahon: Hearing that Rockets are having advanced talks with Luol Deng and Trevor Ariza. Good sign for Mavs re: Chandler Parsons.

How can they be in "advanced talks" with both Deng AND Trevor Ariza? I'm skeptical.

[Kante]

@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say Rockets appear to be out in pursuit of Luol Deng but remain in the hunt to try to sign Trevor Ariza away from Wizards

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Kante

@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say Rockets appear to be out in pursuit of Luol Deng but remain in the hunt to try to sign Trevor Ariza away from Wizards

This makes me think Parsons 60/40 in favor of Mavs. Best I can do in the optimism dept.

36 hrs remaining...

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by LSMF

How can they be in "advanced talks" with both Deng AND Trevor Ariza? I'm skeptical.

I don't think that necessarily means that they're going to sign both players. It just means that they're (presumably) deep into negotiations with each of them.

[sefant77]

Looks like Deng is almost locked up with Miami.

Knowing Morey and his complex with Cuban i wouldnt me surprised at all if the Rockets would sign Ariza before sunday AND match Parsons. Just to screw with the Mavs but sell it as asset keeping/collection and trading one of them later (even Parsons have the kicker and can veto in the first year). But Morey had also no problem to keep an unhappy Asik for a year.

Good luck Lance is still out there and i have a feeling Lance would prefer us over the Pacers. I think Montas development is a key factor there

[Kante]

Woj: Expect Houston to push a decision on matching the Chandler Parsons offer sheet w/ Dallas until deadline on late Sunday night.

[Popeye]

At this point I think i'd prefer to get Lance over Ariza or Deng. He can play small forward and 2-guard. He'd be a good fit with Ellis because he can guard whoever the teams best wing is. If it's the Rockets, he can guard Harden. If it's OKC, he can guard Durant.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

This makes me think Parsons 60/40 in favor of Mavs. Best I can do in the optimism dept.

36 hrs remaining...

Yeah, i don't think they can afford either of those guys if they match Parsons, nor would they want to, since all three players play the same position.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Kante

Woj: Expect Houston to push a decision on matching the Chandler Parsons offer sheet w/ Dallas until deadline on late Sunday night.

Wouldnt expect anything different from them. 34.5 hours remain.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Yeah, getting Ellis for $8 million a year was stupid. . . . . .

Having a great relationship with Dirk so he will take a massive pay cut is stupid . . . . . . .


What a bunch of idiots. I guess we were just lucky in 2011.

be nice -Erica

Ellis was demanding 12m per, didnt get what he wanted, and fired his agent.
Meanwhile we locked up Harris for 3m per, with no room to sign a 12m player.
Harris hurts a toe, salary reduced.
Ellis becomes humble realizing he cant get 12m, and accepts an 8m contract.
Mavs are luckier than a leprechaun to land that deal.
You can bank Ellis opts out to get a bigger contract, wherever that may be.

[sefant77]

After all the lottery years in GS and the weird year in Milwaukee Monta knows what he has in Dallas. Yeah hes gonna opt out because he is underpaid but pretty sure Mavs are able to keep him anyway and i think the FO wouldnt have hard feelings if he opts out and ask for 12-14m. We can spend our cap again next summer and then re-sign Monta and everyone is happy.

[mac222b]

I may not agree with everything that Murphy says but at least he HAS an opinion and he isn't afraid to express it

[BGMaverick9]

The Rockets still have space to work with, based on their trades. If they REALLY wanted to, they could sign Ariza or player x to a deal and still match on Parsons. That seems relatively weird to do, but it would definitely counter the sticking by the Mavs by sticking the Mavs, themselves.

Of course, it could easily just mean that they might be passing on Parsons and decide to move on.

Both are valid.