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StackAttack · 07-08-2009, 09:02 AM

Looks like little progress has been made. From the DMN:

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A potential sign-and-trade between the Raptors and Mavericks involving Shawn Marion appears to have reached a standstill.

The deal is stuck on two points, according to the Dallas Morning News.

An Eastern Conference executive said that one of the points is the inclusion of Toronto point guard Marcus Banks in the deal.

However, Banks is due $9 million over the next two seasons, which would impact the Mavericks' ability to pursue stars in next summer's free agent market.

The other problem is that Toronto doesn't want to take back any salary in exchange for Marion, who is an unrestricted free agent.

If the Raptors won't agree to take Jerry Stackhouse, who has a $7 million contract with $2 million in guarantees, then a third team would have to be found to facilitate the deal.

LonghornDub · 07-08-2009, 09:02 AM

Yeah that Sefko line reads like a throwaway. The two sticking points he mentions later are the same two that have been known for days.

Flacolaco · 07-08-2009, 09:04 AM

If you haven't let the doubt creep into your head about this yet, you might want to invite it in for tea.

We haven't heard anything encouraging, not one single thing, since the rumor was reported.

greensborohill · 07-08-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mqywaaah

try removing Bass

We'll see. . . =)

TheMaverick · 07-08-2009, 09:05 AM

bah

jthig32 · 07-08-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah that Sefko line reads like a throwaway. The two sticking points he mentions later are the same two that have been known for days.

Yeah. Plus those "two sticking points" are really the same thing. Dallas doesn't want to take back Banks, and Toronto can't take on Stack without sending Banks.

So either they find a third team or Dallas takes back Banks. It's just one sticking point.

Hoopshype is now running with what Sefko said with a headline that the talks "may have reached a standstill".

I hate the rumor mill, and I hate having a worthless beat reporter.

TheMaverick · 07-08-2009, 09:16 AM

I don't understand how this deal can't just be Stack for Marion without the addition of Banks or Humphries... is Marion's contract going to be that cheap?

jthig32 · 07-08-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

I don't understand how this deal can't just be Stack for Marion without the addition of Banks or Humphries... is Marion's contract going to be that cheap?

It could be that. The trade would work. But because of Stack's 2mil Toronto would not have enough room under the cap to sign Hedo.

So they need to send us Bank is they're getting back Stack's 2mil to offset it.

ShaggyDirk · 07-08-2009, 09:25 AM

this wouldn't be a thread without pessimism from Mr. FlacoLaco..

Dtownsfinest · 07-08-2009, 09:31 AM

Someone help me out there. Why are the Raptors taking back salary? Can't they just let Marion walk and get from under his contract so they can sign Hedo?

Flacolaco · 07-08-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

this wouldn't be a thread without pessimism from Mr. FlacoLaco..

You're damn right

You show me the credible, well sourced evidence that should lead to optimism and excitement.

Underdog · 07-08-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

You show me the credible, well sourced evidence that should lead to optimism and excitement.

I don't think credible, well-sourced evidence exists this time of the year - it's all smoke & mirrors (and website hits) until players actually sign their contracts...

LonghornDub · 07-08-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

You're damn right

You show me the credible, well sourced evidence that should lead to optimism and excitement.

I can't recall many trades where there was a lot of "optimistic" evidence until the deal was actually done. Either you don't hear anything about it until it's done, or you hear a bunch of negative talk and eventually the teams figure it out.

For me, the bottom line here is that if the Mavs really want Marion, this will happen. Our FO overcame all sorts of absurd obstacles to get Kidd when they really wanted him (regardless of what anyone thinks about the trade), so a little hiccup with Marcus Banks' salary isn't going to stop them if they really want this deal to happen.

jthig32 · 07-08-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Someone help me out there. Why are the Raptors taking back salary? Can't they just let Marion walk and get from under his contract so they can sign Hedo?

Yes they can.

By doing this, they pick up something (maybe some cash, probably a second round pick), and they do right by Marion and his agent. That's important to Colangelo, who has a long history with Marion.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-08-2009, 09:53 AM

Well like Stein first reported, it isn't imminent. Just take some time to find a third team.

jthig32 · 07-08-2009, 10:09 AM

From The Star:

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That Hedo Turkoglu is coming to the Raptors is not in doubt; the timing remains an issue.
The Raptors will officially introduce their most significant free agent signing in years either today or tomorrow, depending on how president and GM Bryan Colangelo does in creating extra financial flexibility in a move or two he's still trying to make.

So there you go; there's a time table.

There's more in the article but not much (if anything) new.

NewMexiMav · 07-08-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well like Stein first reported, it isn't imminent. Just take some time to find a third team.

Exactly. The Mavs know the deadline for them to get this done, and so long as the Raps are certain that Hedo is committed to them, they can wait for the Mavs to find a third team to make this work. If no third team can be found, then the FO has to decide how badly they want Marion.

MavsFanFinley · 07-08-2009, 10:13 AM

At least there's a cut off date. I didn't want to see this drag out longer.

LonghornDub · 07-08-2009, 10:14 AM

One of the tags on this thread is not like the others.

Underdog · 07-08-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

One of the tags on this thread is not like the others.

Lessee:

2 tags about how many gays are left...

1 tag about a murder/suicide if Marion doesn't come here (did McNair's girlfriend type that?)

1 tag that says Sike must die (I assume that's the "murder" part of the murder/suicide...)

Everything looks in order to me!

SMC0007 · 07-08-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

One of the tags on this thread is not like the others.

Yeah, murder suicide ain't cool.

muzak · 07-08-2009, 10:23 AM

can't we just send Stack and two-mill and call it a day?

also, if Marion is a FA, why can't we just sign him and not deal with Colangelo - who's trying to jerk us around?

pardon my ignorance, but this makes no sense to me.

ty · 07-08-2009, 10:27 AM

I'm tellin ya...it's the f-in Devean George curse. We're never going to have an easy deal 'til that idiot is gone.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by muzak

can't we just send Stack and two-mill and call it a day?

also, if Marion is a FA, why can't we just sign him and not deal with Colangelo - who's trying to jerk us around?

pardon my ignorance, but this makes no sense to me.

We've already committed our MLE to Gortat, so all we would really have is the BAE and Marion definitely isn't taking that.

The 2 million still counts against Toronto's cap and that's a big problem for them trying to sign Hedo.

SMC0007 · 07-08-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ty

I'm tellin ya...it's the f-in Devean George curse. We're never going to have an easy deal 'til that idiot is gone.

Maybe someone can murder suicide him

... Also it's Idot, not idiot.

dalmations202 · 07-08-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by muzak

can't we just send Stack and two-mill and call it a day?

also, if Marion is a FA, why can't we just sign him and not deal with Colangelo - who's trying to jerk us around?

pardon my ignorance, but this makes no sense to me.

Nope.

If they SNT Marion, then we send them Stack and 2M, then they have 2M against the nba cap. Then they don't have enough room to sign Hedo to the contract they agreed to. So they have to either move another guy so that they have the room, or find another guy they can get rid of.

If Marion is just a FA, all we can offer is the MLE which we can't offer because we are over the cap and have offered the MLE to Gortat.

Now, we can do some other stuff, with a different team, if they sign him, then we wait, etc., but the easiest way is to get a deal done with Toronto.

muzak · 07-08-2009, 10:34 AM

thanks, i understand now.

Flacolaco · 07-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Marcus Banks CONTRACT INFO:
2008/09: $4.176 million, 2009/10: $4.464 million, 2010/11: $4.752 million, 2011/12: Free Agent

Who signed this idiot to that contract?

muzak · 07-08-2009, 10:38 AM

Is there any way to work Parker into the deal, I wonder? Banks is an overpaid.

dirno2000 · 07-08-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Marcus Banks CONTRACT INFO:
2008/09: $4.176 million, 2009/10: $4.464 million, 2010/11: $4.752 million, 2011/12: Free Agent

Who signed this idiot to that contract?

That would be PHX. Then, almost immediatly, they wanted a do over and started trying to dump him.

sike · 07-08-2009, 10:39 AM

This seems so simple to resolve. Without the entry of third team, Cuban will just have to take Banks to get Marion.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Nope.

If they SNT Marion, then we send them Stack and 2M, then they have 2M against the nba cap. Then they don't have enough room to sign Hedo to the contract they agreed to. So they have to either move another guy so that they have the room, or find another guy they can get rid of.

If Marion is just a FA, all we can offer is the MLE which we can't offer because we are over the cap and have offered the MLE to Gortat.

Now, we can do some other stuff, with a different team, if they sign him, then we wait, etc., but the easiest way is to get a deal done with Toronto.

It's a little interesting to see from a fan's perspective who actually holds control in the negotiations. I would still say it's Cuban, to an extent. BC from Toronto is doing the best he can to be loyal to his guy Marion. He's got to sign off on that Hedo deal though and he's got to get rid of player's rights to make that happen so he's on a time crunch. Dallas does want Marion but they don't want to take Banks because it's potentially a waste of money and a waste of what could be a very potential roster spot. BC could be saying, well...you're the only ones really biting, so you've gotta take Banks or we are done. If Cuban has a list of options and he knows he can get them, then he can walk away. Then it becomes BC's problem to deal with Marion.

MaVs0541 · 07-08-2009, 10:40 AM

im tired of waiting make it happen already i been checking my phone for the past couple of days like every hr come on cuban just do it

LonghornDub · 07-08-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Marcus Banks CONTRACT INFO:
2008/09: $4.176 million, 2009/10: $4.464 million, 2010/11: $4.752 million, 2011/12: Free Agent

Who signed this idiot to that contract?

Steve Kerr, the worst GM in the NBA. Then he followed that up by trading away the Suns' most versatile player, best rebounder, and best defender for the Shaq-tus. Good stuff.

sike · 07-08-2009, 10:52 AM

I'm really impressed with the Raptors loyalty to Marion...

Flacolaco · 07-08-2009, 10:59 AM

You know, Norm is right. Both sides have perceived leverage here. I just wonder how long before they get pissed at each other and call the whole thing off.

Cuban doesn't actually, you know, do any of the communicating with this stuff right? It's not his job, I assume he doesn't.

sike · 07-08-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

You know, Norm is right. Both sides have perceived leverage here. I just wonder how long before they get pissed at each other and call the whole thing off.

Cuban doesn't actually, you know, do any of the communicating with this stuff right? It's not his job, I assume he doesn't.

We want Marion...I say Toronto has the leverage.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

We want Marion...I say Toronto has the leverage.

see post 552

Flacolaco · 07-08-2009, 11:01 AM

Oh I agree with you. I think Toronto has the leverage. Just thinking out loud.

sefant77 · 07-08-2009, 11:05 AM

Ah its so annoying with that little piece left, this 2 mio the Raps cant take to get Hedo. Normally offering Williams for Humphries or Bank and send some cash would be enough to make the deal done in 15mins...

I hope we are not doomed and the deal blows because there is no team to help.

I read some teams still have to sign guys to get to the minimum salary line...