2009 NBA Offseason Thread - Page 15 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

MavsFanFinley · 08-31-2009, 02:22 PM

GS signing Moore is a decent move for them. Moore will be a solid 3rd string center. He should get decent minutes with Biedrins in foul trouble more often than not.

Bayliss · 08-31-2009, 05:57 PM

Duncan is a good player. But we aren't talking about his career. We are talking 2008-2009. We are talking about 2009-2010. And Dirk is better. Dirk has been better than Duncan for the last 5 years in fact.

jthig32 · 08-31-2009, 07:59 PM

Five years? Let's slow down on that.

mavs777 · 08-31-2009, 08:36 PM

I will just leave at this Duncan has had the better career albiet slightly, both are first ballot HOF's, Dirk is better going into next year for sure.

Bayliss · 08-31-2009, 08:53 PM

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Five years? Let's slow down on that.

Dirk has been better since the start of the 2004 season.

dirno2000 · 08-31-2009, 09:23 PM

I don't know if I can agree with that. The past couple of years they've both had PER's of around 24 and Duncan is clearly the better defender.

MavsFanFinley · 08-31-2009, 09:31 PM

Dirk might have the edge this year and in the next few years but Duncan's career speaks for itself.

MavsFanFinley · 08-31-2009, 09:32 PM

Rubio staying in Spain for two more years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Bayliss · 08-31-2009, 09:34 PM

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I don't know if I can agree with that. The past couple of years they've both had PER's of around 24 and Duncan is clearly the better defender.

It's not like PER is perfect. A guy can have certain stats one year... then have the exact same stats the next year, and not have the exact same PER because one year his team may have played at a faster pace. Or he may have played 1 more minute a game, etc.

And it's not like your opinion has to be the same as mine either.

dirno2000 · 08-31-2009, 11:02 PM

Actually I would call that one of PER's strengths. You should adjust for pace and minutes.

Bayliss · 08-31-2009, 11:16 PM

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Actually I would call that one of PER's strengths. You should adjust for pace and minutes.

The stat isn't a strength when you are comparing two players who are relatively close in stature.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 08-31-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Dirk has been better since the start of the 2004 season.

Duncan's lead his team to a title since then.

dirno2000 · 09-01-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The stat isn't a strength when you are comparing two players who are relatively close in stature.

ok, what are you using?

Julius · 09-01-2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

http://www.probasketballnews.com/story/?storyid=709

Top 100 NBA players in order.. this made me smile
8. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas - For all the grief he catches for often coming up short in key situations, Nowitzki is a lock Hall-of-Famer who has averaged 20 points and eight rebounds as the league's best shooting power forward for 10 straight years. Skipping the European Championships may have been a bummer, but should help lengthen his shelf life in what should be a big season for his Mavericks.

Jefferson is 44
S. Jackson is 47
Kidd is 50
Monta Ellis is 51
Josh Howard is 52
Terry is 63
Marion is 66
Kaman is 95
Biedrins is 97

ghazi · 09-01-2009, 04:37 AM

Bosh is not better than Dirk. Not yet at least.

spreedom · 09-01-2009, 09:03 AM

Yeah, I don't get the Bosh love. He's basically Dirk minus the team success and balls-out shooting.

Robillion · 09-01-2009, 09:12 AM

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Yeah, I don't get the Bosh love. He's basically Dirk minus the team success and balls-out shooting.

plus the inside game plus the defense. I can see where Bosh is listed above Dirk. I myself would rather have Dirk because I believe he is more of a franchise player, harder to defend, and much more clutch than Bosh is.

MavsFanFinley · 09-01-2009, 11:01 AM

Rockets will likely trade Barry before the start of camp. They're talking with the Clippers, Thunder, and Grizzlies.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ade_for_barry/

fluid.forty.one · 09-01-2009, 04:17 PM

Bosh and Duncan are better than Dirk right now?

...

MavsFanFinley · 09-01-2009, 08:20 PM

Duncan maybe but Bosh certainly isn't.

mavs777 · 09-01-2009, 08:25 PM

no not now

quietsavant · 09-02-2009, 03:26 AM

Ok people. Hope you're all up because I have another one fresh out the oven.

Ranking the Top 20 rookies going into the season and this one surprised me.
Check out number 9 and number 20
http://www.probasketballnews.com/story/?storyid=712

quietsavant · 09-02-2009, 03:34 AM

And here is the official PFs only rankings for those who still want to see the rationale of the author of the Top 100 players
http://www.probasketballnews.com/story/?storyid=704

Justin Credible · 09-02-2009, 08:59 AM

Took a look at the top SF list as well, kind of surprised to see Josh Howard ranked above Marion, and both of them ranked above the "considered" list of:

Luol Deng, Wilson Chandler, Corey Maggette, Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Peja Stojakovic, Travis Outlaw, Ryan Gomes, Andres Nocioni, Nicolas Batum, Quentin Richardson, Matt Barnes, Jamario Moon, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Bobby Simmons, James Posey, Michael Finley, Kyle Korver, Rasual Butler.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 09-02-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

Took a look at the top SF list as well, kind of surprised to see Josh Howard ranked above Marion, and both of them ranked above the "considered" list of:

Luol Deng, Wilson Chandler, Corey Maggette, Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Peja Stojakovic, Travis Outlaw, Ryan Gomes, Andres Nocioni, Nicolas Batum, Quentin Richardson, Matt Barnes, Jamario Moon, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Bobby Simmons, James Posey, Michael Finley, Kyle Korver, Rasual Butler.

Why would anyone from that considered list be put above Howard/Marion? Especially Wilson Chandler?

Justin Credible · 09-02-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Why would anyone from that considered list be put above Howard/Marion? Especially Wilson Chandler?

Not that I personally believe that some of them should be above, but the way that some people worship AK47 (and Butler, in other cities) you would think that they'd be just under LeBron.

fluid.forty.one · 09-02-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Why would anyone from that considered list be put above Howard/Marion? Especially Wilson Chandler?

If somebody ranked Batum above Howard or Marion I might have to burn down the internet.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 09-02-2009, 04:24 PM

Maybe AK or Deng but the rest I can't see how they'd even be close to Marion/JHo.

alby · 09-02-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

If somebody ranked Batum above Howard or Marion I might have to burn down the internet.

You hate the trailblazers

Tokey41 · 09-02-2009, 10:52 PM

I think that list is about current performances, in which case I can see Bosh around Dirk but not above... and Duncan being behind, the author makes no case for Duncan to be ahead of either Dirk or Bosh even stating Duncan's probable dip to around 19 and 10 this season.

Bosh has just been such a disappointment in Toronto (and it's not just the FO's fault, he had some serious talent around him in previous seasons)... and I get to watch a lot of Raptors games, he's just not a superstar I want leading a team. I'd take Dirk ten times out of ten.

fluid.forty.one · 09-02-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

You hate the trailblazers

Still... he shouldn't even be in the same breath as Howard and Marion.

MavsFanFinley · 09-03-2009, 12:23 AM

Bruce Bowen is holding a press conference at his wifes spa tomorrow at 2 pm. Most Spurs fans assume he's announcing his retirement.

I have to say I'm surprised. I thought he might rejoin the Spurs mid season and make another playoff run.

I guess we'll see.

fluid.forty.one · 09-03-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Bruce Bowen is holding a press conference at his wifes spa tomorrow at 2 pm. Most Spurs fans assume he's announcing his retirement.

I have to say I'm surprised. I thought he might rejoin the Spurs mid season and make another playoff run.

I guess we'll see.

oh happy day

MavsFanFinley · 09-03-2009, 11:13 AM

It's official. Bowen is retiring. Sounds like he'll be going into broadcasting. He's auditioned for ESPN earlier in the week and has something in the works with TNT. Might do some stuff locally as well.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-03-2009, 11:36 AM

Bowen was pretty ineffective last season so it isn't surprising. He was a major offensive liability once that corner three of his stopped going in.

MavsFanFinley · 09-03-2009, 11:42 AM

He's 38 years old. He had a solid career and was instrumental in some of the championships they won. He's going out a winner and he sounds content and happy with his decision.

Windmill360 · 09-03-2009, 02:42 PM

"a lot of ankles will be safer next season"

sefant77 · 09-03-2009, 04:33 PM

Quoting Barney Stinson about canadian porn...

If i have to read one more headline about Sessions, Rubio, Lee&Nate i gonna go OAT of my mind

sefant77 · 09-04-2009, 08:36 AM

Wolves go after Sessions because they want another pg....so why they actually dumped the steal Lawson to the Nuggets before the Rubio situation was clear?

MavsFanFinley · 09-04-2009, 10:42 AM

Let Minnesota have him.