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DevinHarriswillstart · 12-03-2011, 09:04 PM

I don't want a player who doesn't want to be a Maverick. Champs!

Melonhead · 12-03-2011, 09:06 PM

If Tyson is out of the conversation, Id love to add Kaman. He'd fit in perfectly with the Mavs in my mind.

grndmstr_c · 12-03-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I understand your thinking...IMO however at crunch time it's going to be jet, jkiddo, shawn/Rudy/brewer, dirk and wood. I don't see where those guys are going to bust into the winning time rotation to make a defensive/offensive difference when it counts.

I can see those guys helping in the middle but at the end of games wood is going to have to give us the pnr defense and offense that Tyson did, those other guy will all be on the bench the last 12 minutes or so.

Wood also obviously has to hit free throws or he'll be on the bench as well. The free throw thing bugs me also, it makes me think he is weak of mind. He was 20-43 and few if any were in tight games.

I agree that it's unrealistic to think that the Mavs will be able to find a closing five that is - let's not mince words here - as miraculous as their closing five was in the championship run. Given that, the question then becomes, can they compensate by doing more damage in the first 43 minutes? That's where a good year from two or three of the younger players could really make a difference.

As for the free throws, don't really know what to say about that except that he's at 60% for his career from the charity stripe, and the smart bet is that he finds his way back there.

dude1394 · 12-03-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The biggest difference on offense between Tyson and Brendan is FT shooting. Teams didn't want to foul Tyson because he was good at it relative to his size. Tyson wasn't afraid of the foul because he would knock them down at the line.

Brendan last year got in a funk (not quite Andres Biedrins type funk at the line) but still he did not want to shoot them. And that affects the team's confidence.

I disagree. I thought that Tyson's ability to go up and get the ball really enhanced jjb's and jets efficiency in the lane.

I have to also agree with you that was a huge difference as well.

dude1394 · 12-03-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I agree that it's unrealistic to think that the Mavs will be able to find a closing five that is - let's not mince words here - as miraculous as their closing five was in the championship run. Given that, the question then becomes, can they compensate by doing more damage in the first 43 minutes? That's where a good year from two or three of the younger players could really make a difference.

As for the free throws, don't really know what to say about that except that he's at 60% for his career from the charity stripe, and the smart bet is that he finds his way back there.

You make a good point about not falling behind as much would really be nice. It seemed to coincide more with jet/dirk being on the court than almost anything else.

nowhereman · 12-03-2011, 10:59 PM

What's the long-term plan at point guard? Is it still Roddy? Calathes?

grndmstr_c · 12-03-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

What's the long-term plan at point guard? Is it still Roddy? Calathes?

Outside of keeping JJB as the backup, I suspect the "plan", so far as it relates specifically to point guards, consists of hoping for: 1) another reasonably productive year from Kidd, and 2) some growth and maturation from one of their young, unproven players.

SMC0007 · 12-03-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

What's the long-term plan at point guard? Is it still Roddy? Calathes?

I find it really hard to believe there would be very much stock in Roddy. I would rather see Dominique Jones running the point right now than Rod.

Rick41 · 12-04-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I find it really hard to believe there would be very much stock in Roddy. I would rather see Dominique Jones running the point right now than Rod.

DJ seems to me to be a bit more reckless with the ball than Roddy.

nowhereman · 12-04-2011, 01:23 AM

I also can't see DJ getting there anytime soon - the plan has seemed to be to build w/ Roddy at the point and keep DJ at the 2. I can't imagine DJ getting enough reps at PG to be ready for that position after this season.

I guess Calathes and Roddy are the two internal candidates to take over starters minutes at PG in 2012-13? I can't really imagine Roddy getting many backup PG minutes this year if we bring back JJ, and who knows what to expect from Nick if we get him over. Guess we have to wait and see what we get from Roddy this year. After Ty, I think this is clearly the next priority.

grndmstr_c · 12-04-2011, 01:36 AM

If Booby can get healthy and perform like he's capable of performing I'm 100% positive he'll get chances to play. A season filled with back-to-backs and even a few back-to-back-to-backs? Kidd's going to get plenty of nights off.

mavs777 · 12-04-2011, 05:30 AM

I think Calathes will be the PG of the future, Roddy has talent but the fact of the matter the chances of a combo guard learning PG skills while in the NBA isn't that high. Calathes has been getting great reviews over seas.

Strength:
High Bball IQ
Great passer
Size
Controlls pace
Doesn't turn it over
Solid handles
and pretty good finisher even with not being athletic
Ability to guard guards that aren't super quick (Andre miller, Raymond Felton types)
NBA body strength
Rebounder for a point guard
Weaknesses:
The biggest worry with Calathes is his lack of quickness it will really hurt him on defensive end when both the point and 2 guard have good quickness
bad free throw shooter

Average:
Three point shooter
Scoring ability

Bayliss · 12-04-2011, 08:53 AM

I cannot take credit for this gif. A person in Insidehoops posted it. But it does reflect the Ryson Chandler situation if he really does want 20 million per year.

dude1394 · 12-04-2011, 11:29 AM

Very good stuff from sir Charles.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nb...kley_intv.nba/

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 11:45 AM

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/319274

dude1394 · 12-04-2011, 11:46 AM

Quite frankly I think butler is pretty much done as a starter.

nowhereman · 12-04-2011, 11:52 AM

If he moves, I guess he's linked most closely now to both Chicago and Miami. He'd be a great asset for both of those teams. Hopefully we can get some value by moving him. It's a shame we never got to see him for a full season here, but he's really a luxury the mavs can't afford/shouldn't spend on at this point.

41creepingdeath · 12-04-2011, 12:12 PM

"$20 Million per year?"

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 12:13 PM

I think Miami thinks hard of using their amnesty on Miller. He'll miss the first two month of the season again. Replacing him with a guy that comes off a major injury is a risk, but I would understand why they'd do it.

As for Chicago: They need a 2 more than everything and Butler can play that spot. Otherweise he could still give their bench a scoring boost, which was pretty much known for forcing opponents into a 0-0 scoring spree over three or four minutes.

I agree with Chuck that Chandler has to come back to have any shot at repeating. Then also resign Barea at a fair amount and bring back Peja and Brian on minimums. Butler is a luxury on that current roster and we already replaced Stevenson with Rudy on Draft Day.

That said, somebody out of Rudy, Roddy, DoJo and Brewer has to step up this season. Cuban would also pay less luxury tax (~12M opposed to 18M last season) and you are 3-deep on every position:

PG: Kidd, Barea, Roddy
SG: Rudy, Terry, DoJo
SF: Brewer, Marion, Peja
PF: Dirk, Marion, Brian
C: Tyson, Haywood, Mahinmi

You'll lose a pure defensive stopper with Stevenson, but Brewer might be able to help in that regard.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2011, 12:39 PM

To me Dojo is not a SG. He just can't shoot it and is a much better distributor/creator at this point. I don't see him excelling at SG any more than I see Rod at PG. Neither of them imo seem a natural fit in those roles.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-04-2011, 12:42 PM

nm

clutch#41 · 12-04-2011, 01:26 PM

Dirk is on his way back to Dallas!!!!!!

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 01:39 PM

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As negotiations with Mavericks have stalled, Golden State, Houston and New Jersey have emerged as three most serious suitors for Chandler

http://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine/...97781179080706

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Rick41 · 12-04-2011, 01:42 PM

Mark Stein reporting that talks between Tyson and the Mavs have stalled.

Edit: Beat me to it. ^^

Popeye · 12-04-2011, 01:48 PM

Chandler's gone. I'm not sure it's the right move, but if it's a deal in excess of $50mm over 4 years then I don't think I can blame Cuban.

Bottom line -- Mahinmi needs to step up. In this new CBA era, you just have to have some young, cheap guys step up and perform. I think he can do it.

Same goes for Roddy, Dojo, Brewer and Calathes. We need a couple of those guys to turn into solid players.

Kante · 12-04-2011, 01:50 PM

Yep: http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...ts-sources-say

clutch#41 · 12-04-2011, 01:52 PM

hopefully he signs with the nets, and then they wouldnt have enough money to sign d-will and he can come here in 2012!!!

41mvp · 12-04-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

http://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine/...97781179080706

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if it is true.We have huge problem...

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 01:53 PM

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/12...g-for-the-mavs

My piece on why the Mavs might not want to go All-in on Chandler.

dude1394 · 12-04-2011, 01:59 PM

I'll be very disappointed if the Mavs let the best center in franchise history go. Very disappointed and they will be stupid to do so IMO.

Melonhead · 12-04-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

hopefully he signs with the nets, and then they wouldnt have enough money to sign d-will and he can come here in 2012!!!

Dwell already said he wouldn't come with just dirk. Tyson needs to be here

clutch#41 · 12-04-2011, 02:01 PM

i honestly think that cuban thought that this season was going to be cancelled so he was prepared to lose chandler either way. now that everything got figured out so quickly, and there is a season, it seems like he hasnt even started on preparing for this season yet and is more focused on his bid with the Dodgers!!

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I'll be very disappointed if the Mavs let the best center in franchise history go. Very disappointed and they will be stupid to do so IMO.

Me too, but Marc Cuban might need to pay about 40-45M of luxury tax in 2013/2014. It's not my money so it's hard to complain, really.

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Dwell already said he wouldn't come with just dirk. Tyson needs to be here

Tyson + Dirk = no cap-space = no Deron

j0Shi · 12-04-2011, 02:14 PM

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ck-to-the-mavs

Some good news: Mavs might have leverage in JJB negotiations

dude1394 · 12-04-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Me too, but Marc Cuban might need to pay about 40-45M of luxury tax in 2013/2014. It's not my money so it's hard to complain, really.

I would think that by then the dirkster is pretty much finished. Jkiddo, jet, Shawn are gone and Haywood is amnestied. I do not believe that luxury tax ( I'm assuming because of 4 in 5 years ) is a foregone conclusion.

LonghornDub · 12-04-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ck-to-the-mavs

Some good news: Mavs might have leverage in JJB negotiations

I can understand why the Heat would want JJB, given how much he abused them in the Finals.

Five-ofan · 12-04-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Me too, but Marc Cuban might need to pay about 40-45M of luxury tax in 2013/2014. It's not my money so it's hard to complain, really.

Im not sure if your saying cuban needs to pay the tax in the sense that he just needs to suck it up and deal with it or in the sense that conditionally he would need to if he signed chandler.

Five-ofan · 12-04-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I would think that by then the dirkster is pretty much finished. Jkiddo, jet, Shawn are gone and Haywood is amnestied. I do not believe that luxury tax ( I'm assuming because of 4 in 5 years ) is a foregone conclusion.

Tyson chandler isnt worth 15 mil a year even with no luxury tax. I really hate to say it but tyson may have become the most overrated player in basketball.

Also i dont think its nearly as sure a conclusion that durk is done in 4 years. Hell be nashs current age at that point and i believe his game will age at least as well.

clutch#41 · 12-04-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Tyson chandler isnt worth 15 mil a year even with no luxury tax. I really hate to say it but tyson may have become the most overrated player in basketball.

Also i dont think its nearly as sure a conclusion that durk is done in 4 years. Hell be nashs current age at that point and i believe his game will age at least as well.

This!! also dirk has been blessed with a shooting stroke, look what peja did for us this postseason!!!!