Gortat appears* bound for a team not named the Dallas Mavericks

[LSMF]

Seriously F Otis Smith if he matches, F Him big time.

[sefant77]

If they settled for a trade in december they have to take 2,5mio back for Gortat.

That means it would cost them allready with LT around 4mio, so the trade later have to be so "good" that they think its worthy.

But i read allready several example trades like Pietrus/Gortat for Hayes/Battier.

Hmmpf. I would hate that.

Gortat wouldnt like Houston so much either. Next season fine but when Yao is back he is again stuck.

BUT if Otis decided to match allready...why wait until monday?

[Dirkenstien]

They really have a lot invested in Gortat. I would completely understand if they choose to match the contract and look for a trade that can help them around the trade deadline. I think with Turkoglu leaving and with so many other teams getting a lot better Otis is feeling the pressure to keep up in the arms race.

It won't be the end of the world, but it will be a set back. We'll see what happens.

[LSMF]

If he matches, I hope every time we play the Magic we beat them by 30+ points.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

They really have a lot invested in Gortat. I would completely understand if they choose to match the contract and look for a trade that can help them around the trade deadline. I think with Turkoglu leaving and with so many other teams getting a lot better Otis is feeling the pressure to keep up in the arms race.

It won't be the end of the world, but it will be a set back. We'll see what happens.

Turk left because Orlando didn't want to pay him.

Let that sink in for a moment.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Give me a break.

How can you be so sure?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

How can you be so sure?

That was more in reference to the "inside source".

I maintain that I'll be shocked if they match the offer, but I wouldn't write it off as being impossible.

Why would they let their best scorer leave over money and then pay full luxury tax on a five year contract for their back up center?

It doesn't make any sense.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Turk left because Orlando didn't want to pay him.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Believe me I understand the logic, and I want to feel as though everything is okay, but I'll be worried until the deadline passes.

[pokwaPL]

"Z tego co słyszę, Orlando Magic wyrównają ofertę, którą złożyli mi Dallas Mavericks. Jestem trochę zdołowany, chociaż tak, czy inaczej będę grał w dobrym zespole" - mówi Marcin Gortat.

"From what I hear, Orlando Magic will top up the offer, which Dallas Mavericks offer to me. I am a bit sad, but anyway I will play in a good team" - said Marcin Gortat.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

How can you be so sure?

Can't speak for jthig, but what I really want a break from is the unending doom and gloom proclamations. We'll find out by the 15th, and no message board blurbs or pre-15th jitters from a player who's afraid of losing an opportunity that he's really excited about mean a god damn thing.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by pokwaPL

"Z tego co słyszę, Orlando Magic wyrównają ofertę, którą złożyli mi Dallas Mavericks. Jestem trochę zdołowany, chociaż tak, czy inaczej będę grał w dobrym zespole" - mówi Marcin Gortat.

"From what I hear, Orlando Magic will top up the offer, which Dallas Mavericks offer to me. I am a bit sad, but anyway I will play in a good team" - said Marcin Gortat.

Yesterday's news. Already been posted.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Can't speak for jthig, but what I really want a break from is the unending doom and gloom proclamations. We'll find out by the 15th, and no message board blurbs or pre-15th jitters from a player who's afraid of losing an opportunity that he's really excited about mean a god damn thing.

Or should i say "We like drama"?

First that hang aorund with Marion for 2 nights and now that

[dalger]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

eyedentifyme always just makes up whatever facts he feels like.

The man has underrated comical value on this forum.

eyedentifyme's trade proposals are priceless. In an ideal world, I'd actually want him to be a GM somewhere, being followed around by a camera crew all day to film his sharing calls and trade ideas with other GM's. That would be a reality show I could impossibly resist. How about Damp/Carroll/Williams/Humphries for Kobe? Anyone?

In regards to Gortat, due to the contradicting reports I'm a little scared right now that the Magic's GM might match the Mavs' offer and royally kick us in the nuts. First Bass, than Gortat. The Magic would be incredibly good and serious championship contenders. Perhaps, reasonable hope of getting a ring could make them pay a little more money than usual. Cuban would be no different. If he thought that a certain move made a ring much more likely, he'd be willing to pay the price.

Anyhoo, I hope they don't match as I've really started to like the idea of having Gortat on the team. Not to mention that I've no clue how to get an equally capable center without giving up a rotation player. Should be impossible.

[Dirkenstien]

I wish there was a way we could have kept Bass from signing that contract until Gortat's deadline passed. He was a nice piece of leverage.

[Nowitzki4President]

I saw someone post this on some other site.

had to include this in Dallas' never ending search for a center...
from espn Page 2's Bill Simmons
"Cuban spent $250 million (and counting) on Shawn Bradley, Raef LaFrentz, DeSagana Diop, Erick Dampier and Marcin Gortat these past 10 years"

ouch....

Thats pretty sad and funny at the same time. If you ask me, we've been very succesful at finding guys that we think are starting Centers, but just end up being better off as back up Centers. Marcin, I have great hopes for you!

EDIT: That waste of money could have fed so many starving children in Africa. So in turn, Mark Cuban hates starving African children

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by dalger

Cuban would be no different. If he thought that a certain move made a ring much more likely, he'd be willing to pay the price.

In that case he should have offered Bass 20/4 with the words "We gonna trade you to a team that want you and give you minutes" and pay also some extra millions this year to get a cheaper talent/picks back.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I saw someone post this on some other site.



Thats pretty sad and funny at the same time. If you ask me, we've been very succesful at finding guys that we think are starting Centers, but just end up being better off as back up Centers. Marcin, I have great hopes for you!

EDIT: That waste of money could have fed so many starving children in Africa. So in turn, Mark Cuban hates starving African children

While a funny line, it's also horribly inaccurate.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by sefant77

In that case he should have offered Bass 20/4 with the words "We gonna trade you to a team that want you and give you minutes" and pay also some extra millions this year to get a cheaper talent/picks back.

+ rep.

People, we are surrounded by examples of teams, even those that are willing to spend, being anything other than carefree in choosing where they're going to spend their money. Dallas was willing to let Bass go when more money would've been sufficient to secure his services. Orlando was willing to let Hedo go when more money would've been sufficient to secure his services (and don't tell me a Carter/Hedo/Lewis trio at the 2/3/4 wouldn't have seen more minutes and done more good from a championship hunt perspective than a Howard/Gortat pairing at the 4/5). LA pretty much told Ariza to f' off when an offer a little above the MLE probably would've been sufficient to retain his services and would've given them a Kobe/Artest/Ariza rotation at the 2/3.

None of that guarantees Orlando won't match on Gortat, but the argument that they're guaranteed to pony up the 11.2 million it would cost them to retain his services this year alone simply because they're in the midst of a championship hunt is completely unsupportable given recent events.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by sefant77

In that case he should have offered Bass 20/4 with the words "We gonna trade you to a team that want you and give you minutes" and pay also some extra millions this year to get a cheaper talent/picks back.

Which team would have been interested in trading for Bass and made us better at the same time?

Additionally, I'm not sure that talent picks would make much of a difference as it relates to our current championship window. We probably have three years left at best and need somewhat proven contributors.

I'm not suggesting that Cuban was willing to spend money for no other reason than spending money. However, paying the luxury tax would most likely be a sacrifice he'd be willing to make in order to win it all. Other GM's might just be no different.

[Underdog]

Why would Otis Smith wait a whole week just to f**k Mark Cuban? If he was going to match, he would have done it already - waiting until the last moment only makes him look shady... Otis didn't become a millionaire by making enemies with other millionaires - I just can't see any professional gain to burning Cuban over Marcin friggin' Gortat, especially when they already have Dwight Howard on their roster (not to mention Bass, who could easily get some burn at the 5...)

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would Otis Smith wait a whole week just to f**k Mark Cuban? If he was going to match, he would have done it already - waiting until the last moment only makes him look shady... Otis didn't become a millionaire by making enemies with other millionaires - I just can't see any professional gain to burning Cuban over Marcin friggin' Gortat, especially when they already have Dwight Howard on their roster (not to mention Bass, who could easily get some burn at the 5...)

Working out a trade with Houston, pressure on Houston "If we dont do that and that in this trade we just let him go to your texas rival" blabla...

[dalger]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

+ rep.

People, we are surrounded by examples of teams, even those that are willing to spend, being anything other than carefree in choosing where they're going to spend their money. Dallas was willing to let Bass go when more money would've been sufficient to secure his services. Orlando was willing to let Hedo go when more money would've been sufficient to secure his services (and don't tell me a Carter/Hedo/Lewis trio at the 2/3/4 wouldn't have seen more minutes and done more good from a championship hunt perspective than a Howard/Gortat pairing at the 4/5). LA pretty much told Ariza to f' off when an offer a little above the MLE probably would've been sufficient to retain his services and would've given them a Kobe/Artest/Ariza rotation at the 2/3.

None of that guarantees Orlando won't match on Gortat, but the argument that they're guaranteed to pony up the 11.2 million it would cost them to retain his services this year alone simply because they're in the midst of a championship hunt is completely unsupportable given recent events.

Signing 30-year-old Hedo to a five-year, $50+ million contract is a little different than paying Gortat big money for, let’s say, one year. Who’s to say they have to keep him? They might very well trade him later and get a nice player in return that they need even more. Those scenarios have already been discussed, for example with Houston. Capable centers seem to be a dying breed, so Gortat should continue to be of interest for many teams.

Considering the deals so far, Orlando should be better off with Carter/Bass than Hedo/Lee. If they thought the same and remembered how close they were to winning the championship, they might as well think: Let’s just keep Gortat and give it a try next season.

Underdog, I don’t disagree with you. I’m not aware of any reasons why Smith would want to fuck Cuban. However, why would he wait a whole week to not fuck him and let Gortat go, if he wasn’t going to match the offer anyway? He’s probably just making a lot of calls to see what he can get to replace Gortat. If he wasn’t able to come up with anyone, then he would perhaps think about keeping him for now with potential trades in the future already in mind.

[Bayliss]

Grandmaster C, Jthig, or anyone else with better cap knowledge than me... answer this question that was posed to me on another board:

and the BYC is actually an advantage for ORL, since they can only trade him with half of his salary coming back and lose some of their luxury tax burden.

Even if they have to wait 90 days, who cares? You dont pay the tax till the end of the nba annual year, so they'd be fine.

they are. so his contract is 6 mil a year. They can trade him for only half that value. so they can only take 3 mil back in salary. which means they now owe 3 mil less in luxury tax as well.

Is that correct? Can they do something like that? (I personally don't think they can but I'm not a cap expert....)

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

I guess we'll know no later than Wednesday 12:01 am.

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Grandmaster C, Jthig, or anyone else with better cap knowledge than me... answer this question that was posed to me on another board:



Is that correct? Can they do something like that? (I personally don't think they can but I'm not a cap expert....)

That only true of they trade him to a team under the cap. Otherwise the team getting him would be getting a $6MM player and would have to send back more than $3MM.

[G-Man]

I thought I read that once an offer sheet is signed,it can only be recinded if the team making the offer agrees. Can someone who understands the rules fill me in on this.

If that is the case, then, it seems Orlando can match, and pay Gortat half the season before they can trade him. With Lux tax,thats a 5 million dollar gamble. Or they keep him as a 10 million dollar, 10 minute a night backup.

As much as I crave a center who can catch and convert, Damp remains servicable,so if this deal collapses, its not the end of the world. Marion makes up better,and we still have the MLE to add another good player. Still a better than average off season. Of course,when you have the Mav's ave

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by dalger

Signing 30-year-old Hedo to a five-year, $50+ million contract is a little different than paying Gortat big money for, let’s say, one year. Who’s to say they have to keep him? They might very well trade him later and get a nice player in return that they need even more. Those scenarios have already been discussed, for example with Houston. Capable centers seem to be a dying breed, so Gortat should continue to be of interest for many teams.

I never said Hedo's situation was a perfect analog. His was merely one of several instances of GMs conserving dollars instead of going all in on a championship bid.

Also, you clearly didn't read all of the discussion relating to those trade scenarios. There were definitely other teams interested in Gortat, but Dallas apparently outbid them. In a trade not only would the receiving team have to be willing to allocate full MLE-level money to Gortat, they'd have to give up other assets of value on the court for Orlando to be willing to deal. It's a sizable gamble from Orlando's perspective that they'd be able to find a trade offer for him that would be worth the 11.2 million dollars this year alone. It's also not at all accurate that Orlando would be on the hook for that 11.2 million for just one year, as in the majority of cases they'd have to take back near equal salary to move him. Signing decisions like that often last for the life of the contract. They don't just go away after a year (see for example Matt Carroll).

Considering the deals so far, Orlando should be better off with Carter/Bass than Hedo/Lee. If they thought the same and remembered how close they were to winning the championship, they might as well think: Let’s just keep Gortat and give it a try next season.

You're missing the point. They could have re-signed Hedo if they'd wanted to, and they would have then had a starting lineup of Nelson/VC/Hedo/Lewis/Howard, which would have scared the living crap out of everybody. They chose not to, and they made that choice because of money.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by darkwitzki

LAS VEGAS -- Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said the team isn't quite there yet in terms of making an announcement regarding the prognosis for center Yao Ming and his left foot.

But what he will say unequivocally is that his team needs a center, and he's going to go out and get one.

"I think we're probably going to have to trade for a center," Morey said after watching the Rockets beat the Warriors 73-69 in an NBA Summer League game. "That will probably be the plan at this point. There are a few free agents that might be later fill-ins, but I think most likely we'll address some of our needs through trades."

At this point the Rockets don't know how long they'll be without Yao, who has a hairline fracture in his left foot. The NBA has already granted the Rockets an injury exception to the salary cap in anticipation of Yao missing the entire year, although Yao is still eligible to play should he make an unexpectedly quick recovery. Morey said he's optimistic the injury will not end Yao's career.

"We're going to make a joint release with Yao's advisors when we decide on a course of treatment," Morey said. "Before that we're going to stay quiet on it because we don't really know until that decision is made what will happen.


Something's cookin', Rockets will go all out for a center, better not be our hammer.

How did they get a trade exemption without making a prognosis??? Does any team get a trade exemption when they lose a guy? Did we get one for stack?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Grandmaster C, Jthig, or anyone else with better cap knowledge than me... answer this question that was posed to me on another board:



Is that correct? Can they do something like that? (I personally don't think they can but I'm not a cap expert....)

To follow up on dirno's response, the argument that Gortat being BYC would work in Orlando's favor is completely incorrect. The amount of salary that a team has to take back in a trade is dictated only by the amount of salary that they team they're trading with has to send out in order to accept the player in question (that's why Orlando was able to S&T Hedo to the Raptors without taking back any salary). Since BYC wouldn't impact Gortat's cap-value for the team he was being traded too, his BYC status wouldn't alter the amount of salary the receiving team would have to send back.

[EricaLubarsky]

teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances: For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him).

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q76
Anyone understand that? Sounds like the Magic would be unable to trade him at all until December, then between December and July he could be traded but only with his permission (but not to us)

Anyway, 3 days and counting. Tick-tock, otis.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by dude1394

How did they get a trade exemption without making a prognosis??? Does any team get a trade exemption when they lose a guy? Did we get one for stack?

I would like to know that too. Or if other teams (Brand, Dunleavy, Redd etc) didnt ask for it or got rejected.

Because what i read that doesnt rule out Yao to play next season. So it could be that they signed Ariza with the exception, get Andre Miller/Marv/Lee (etc) for the MLE and *ops* Yao is on the court in january or february and that would be a major unfair loophole.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You're missing the point. They could have re-signed Hedo if they'd wanted to, and they would have then had a starting lineup of Nelson/VC/Hedo/Lewis/Howard, which would have scared the living crap out of everybody. They chose not to, and they made that choice because of money.

You’re making a lot of good points, and I’m not questioning the fact that it would be an expensive decision for Orlando to match Dallas’ offer. Even with all the rumors of Orlando possibly doing just that, I don’t believe that it’s likely to happen.

However, one question remains: Why would Orlando wait this long to make a decision and even hint at matching Dallas’ offer, if there was no truth to it at all? To be in a better position while talking to other teams about possible replacements for Gortat? If so, alright.

I’m just under the impression that, as far as spending money is concerned, there’s something in between signing Hedo to a massive five-year contract as well as taking Carter’s salary of almost $34 million for two years and paying some extra money for Gortat while still increasing your championship chances. Just because they're not willing to spend that much money for Carter and Hedo, whose contract length should have been another issue, to have a great shot at winning it all, it doesn't mean that they're not willing to spend money at all. Again, I’m just trying to make some sense of all the mixed signals coming out of Florida (in case there is any sense).

[Mavsfan4ever]

From Yahoo Sports.

As a 12-minute-a-game center for the Orlando Magic, Gortat scored himself a five-year, $34 million offer sheet from the Dallas Mavericks. Nevertheless, two sources familiar with Orlando’s plans believe Magic GM Otis Smith is strongly considering to match the offer and keep the 7-footer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

I don't know what to think but will not give up hope until they match.

[foglemann]

If giving them a trade exception and not resigning bass isn't enough and then they still retain Gortat... That is some crap of the highest order.

[Mavsfan4ever]

I do not understand why they would match. Correct me if I'm wrong but, they would still have to pay something in luxury tax even if they traded him then they could not trade him until December right?

[jthig32]

I keep coming back to this:

Sometimes, you have to trust your sources.
What I'm hearing is that the Mavericks are very likely to end up with Marcin Gortat, despite the 6-11 center's comments online to the contrary.
The players are not normally the ones that hear first that they are being kept or sent on.
All I can say is that the Mavericks seem pretty darn confident about this thing. I'm not saying there is a deal here. But I think the fact that Donnie Nelson has known Otis Smith since the Golden State days may help the situation here.
They know they are going to have to do business down the road.
Bottom line: Gortat is going to be a Maverick. That's the betting favorite right now.

I realize it's Sefko, someone I degrade at every possible turn. He's horrible. But no one, NO ONE, writes something like that for a newspaper without a direct, concrete source telling him that the Mavs basically got an agreement from Orlando to not match during the big trade.

Right? Am I crazy?

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I keep coming back to this:



I realize it's Sefko, someone I degrade at every possible turn. He's horrible. But no one, NO ONE, writes something like that for a newspaper without a direct, concrete source telling him that the Mavs basically got an agreement from Orlando to not match during the big trade.

Right? Am I crazy?

Please be right.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

We'll know within 3 days, assuming the deadline ends as soon as it turns Wednesday 12:01 am.

I'm thinking if nothing's been decided on Tuesday night this forum will be pretty busy.

[Thomas86]

The Mavs didn't need to put the Magic in the trade with Marion and Hedo but the Mavs where nice enought to let the Magic get something for Hedo, If the Magic wait untill the last minute to match then they better not plan on making any trades with the Mavs anymore.

[Bayliss]

As much as I want it to happen, the more I think about it... the more I feel that the Mavs are Murphy's law: what can go wrong will go wrong. Although I think they should rename it to Flacolaco's Law.