Do you think we'll make a major trade before the deadline?

[sefant77]

Philly and Charlotte will be with 0.400 records still in the playoff race by february.

Will be hard to sell an out for season Butler to such a team...blargh

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Luc

Some of this trades in this thread are unbelievable.

Let's do this one
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=47mo46t

They get an experienced center blablabla

yea..that's why this thread belongs in the trade section..

On another note..who is Crash? Brad Roberts?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

On another note..who is Crash? Brad Roberts?

Gerald Wallace

[sefant77]

Wallace is known for his somewhat reckless style of play that leads to his frequent injuries.[1] For this, he has earned the nickname "Crash

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Wallace

[dude1394]

gracias

[SMC0007]

[mavs777]

LOL I remember having that racing game when I was much younger

[BGMaverick9]

Part one:

The trade deadline is in forty-two days and the Dallas Mavericks, as always, will be a team involved in numerous trade rumors. The deflating season-ending injury to Caron Butler definitely forces the Mavericks to re-examine things. Healthy or hampered with injuries, the Mavericks would always look to be opportunistic in find ways to make their team better.

It is hard to look ahead and predict where the Mavericks will finish in the Western Conference as there are too many variables such as injuries and trades that could shake the axis of the conference. If the Mavericks do gain home-court advantage in the playoffs, they could petition the league to try to defer the advantage for as long as possible. Currently, Dallas holds an NBA-best road record of 12-3 and an above-average home record of 14-8.

Making things difficult when it comes to self-evaluation and moving forward, the Mavericks are also currently missing Dirk Nowitzki and Roddy Beaubois. Nowitzki will hopefully return to the lineup within the next week while Beaubois' return date is still mired in doubt. The French guard is now able to jump, run on a treadmill, plant his feet and cut so things are starting to progress. The thing with Beaubois will be that he will need time to get acclimated to playing NBA-basketball. For a player with his speed and agility, Beaubois will fatigue quickly and it could possibly take him multiple weeks to finally feel "game ready." As the days goes by, the Mavericks have a very small window of time to evaluate its roster, determine how significant of a deal is necessary and what the priority is in terms of overall position of need.

The issue goes more on the Owner and the General Manager, but Head Coach Rick Carlisle did comment on Monday in regards to what he would like to see. "Healthy guys that we already have, that's the biggest thing. We love our team in its healthy state," Carlisle said. "I haven't been spending a lot of energy on a wish list of players. My job is to get the guys that we have tuned into this opportunity and the challenge we have here." Since it is not his job, let's go ahead and look at the bigger rumblings going on around the association and see if they are hits or misses for the Mavericks. Before anything, it's good to know what they have in terms of assets. Here's a breakdown of what the Mavericks have at their disposal.

you can read the rest at http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/1/...ville-part-one

[bernardos70]

Originally Posted by mavs777

LOL I remember having that racing game when I was much younger

I remember that was a platform game before it was a racing game. That's how old *I* am. Mr. Bandicoot ruled the PS1 (Not PSone, you neo bandwagoners of Sony Consoles).

[CATCH-17]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Part one:



you can read the rest at http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/1/...ville-part-one

Great read.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Part one: http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/1/...ville-part-one

Tayshaun Prince - there's a name we haven't kicked around yet...

He's not an ideal talent, but he could be a pretty solid Butler fill-in for the rest of the season... His stats are actually very similar to Caron's across the board:

Prince: 14.5 PPG / 4.6 RPG / 2.7 APG / 0.3 SPG / 0.7 SPG / .493 FG% / .701 FT% / .400 3P% / 32.7 MPG
Butler: 15.0 PPG / 4.1 RPG / 1.6 APG / 1.0 SPG / 0.3 BPG / .450 FG% / .773 FT% / .431 3P% / 29.9 MPG

His game dropped off a bit last season due to injuries (and probably general frustration with the Pistons), but that shouldn't be much of an issue here with Marion splitting time. Also, I don't think he's as tenacious a defender as Butler, but he's a good defender who, like you said, might look better in the zone.

He's not the biggest name out there, but he'd probably be a good enough fit to get this team back on track for a chamionship run...

[dalger]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Tayshaun Prince - there's a name we haven't kicked around yet...

He's not an ideal talent, but he could be a pretty solid Butler fill-in for the rest of the season... His stats are actually very similar to Caron's across the board:

Prince: 14.5 PPG / 4.6 RPG / 2.7 APG / 0.3 SPG / 0.7 SPG / .493 FG% / .701 FT% / .400 3P% / 32.7 MPG
Butler: 15.0 PPG / 4.1 RPG / 1.6 APG / 1.0 SPG / 0.3 BPG / .450 FG% / .773 FT% / .431 3P% / 29.9 MPG

His game dropped off a bit last season due to injuries (and probably general frustration with the Pistons), but that shouldn't be much of an issue here with Marion splitting time. Also, I don't think he's as tenacious a defender as Butler, but he's a good defender who, like you said, might look better in the zone.

He's not the biggest name out there, but he'd probably be a good enough fit to get this team back on track for a chamionship run...

Prince is a small forward and thus the type of player we've been badly missing ever since Caron injured his knee. He could certainly help this team more than the towel-waiving version of Caron. The one thing I cannot tell is whether or not he's able to create his own shot. That's a quality I appreciate about Caron (even more in retrospect) and something that would be of great help. Right now, without Dirk, Roddy and Caron, we have nobody to deliver easy and/or consistent baskets.

[BGMaverick9]

In general, people have described Prince as a small forward who does have shooting guard capabilities when it comes to his overall shooting proficiency. He's definitely an intriguing name.

Part two is coming at one today...it's got the tastiest option that I think solves most of the problems.

And thanks for the props.

[dude1394]

WE NEED a small forward. I want one that is a little bit nasty, but if not, one that will defend as well. Tyson can whip him into shape! Prince does have the defensive pedigree however...

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Tayshaun Prince - there's a name we haven't kicked around yet...


His game dropped off a bit last season due to injuries (and probably general frustration with the Pistons), but that shouldn't be much of an issue here with Marion splitting time. Also, I don't think he's as tenacious a defender as Butler, but he's a good defender who, like you said, might look better in the zone.

He's not the biggest name out there, but he'd probably be a good enough fit to get this team back on track for a chamionship run...

Think about in certain situations, you could have a front-court of:
Chandler, Marion and Prince

Think of the man defense...think about the zone defense, that is a TON of length on the back line of the defense.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

In general, people have described Prince as a small forward who does have shooting guard capabilities when it comes to his overall shooting proficiency. He's definitely an intriguing name.

Thanks for the info. One thing that just came to mind is that Prince's expiring contract would actually be a plus. We could see how he fits until the end of the season and then make the decision to either re-sign him based on his performance or bring back Caron with the MLE. I'm pretty sure, as has been mentioned quite a lot by sefant77, that Caron wouldn't get better offers and would be willing to finish what he started with the Mavs.

All the other mentioned players don't have expiring contracts and would replace Caron beyond this season. With Prince, you get a replacement during the season and an option after the season.

[BGMaverick9]

hmmm...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...ebobcats011411

The Charlotte Bobcats have discussed a trade to send forward Gerald Wallace to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers would use their trade exception to acquire Wallace, but have also pushed for a lottery-protected first-round pick for them to take on the two years and $22 million left on Wallace’s contract through the 2012-13 season, the source said.

No deal is imminent, and the Cavaliers have until July 10 to use the $14.5 million trade exception created from the sign-and-trade with the Miami Heat for LeBron James. If the NBA and Players Association haven’t reached a new collective bargaining agreement by the end of June, the Cavs would run the risk of having the trade exception expire during the lockout.

The Bobcats have been shopping Wallace for several weeks and discussed packaging him in deals to several teams. Charlotte has struggled to a 15-21 record, and replaced Larry Brown with interim coach Paul Silas last month. Facing significant financial losses this season, Bobcats owner Michael Jordan has targeted his highest-paid player as a way to trim payroll.

Source did say, "Whether Cavs get him or not, expect Wallace to be moved by deadline."

[LonghornDub]

The Cavs are so ridiculous. Let go, Dan. It's time to break it down and rebuild.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The Cavs are so ridiculous. Let go, Dan. It's time to break it down and rebuild.

I am not sure what it necessarily means in terms of the chances of getting Jackson if the Mavericks do want him. It appears to be the signs of fire-sale mode and getting Wallace out massively helps, but do they keep Jackson then?

[Rick41]

I would get a serious stiffy if the Mavs somehow landed Gerald Wallace.

[Underdog]

I like me some Crash, but the Cavs offer is probably more appealing than anything we can/should put together...

[BGMaverick9]

good thing this came out before one...back to work lol

[Rhylan]

The fact that they're responding so favorably to a TE tells me they are excited about not having to pay that money for the rest of *this year*, not just the next two. So it's more attractive to them than an expiring deal.

Or.. they're just trying to get their phones to ring with people asking about Wallace.

If they make the trade with Cleveland in this configuration (or something similar) then I don't see why they'd hesitate to move Jackson too. It's total fire sale mode.

The only think about Charlotte sending a lottery protected first rounder is that it might be several years before they are out of the lottery. Need to know more details about that, if the provision expires after a certain number of years.

[sefant77]

Cleveland will have a lottery pick but the draft 2011 isnt considered strong or deep...

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Rhylan

The fact that they're responding so favorably to a TE tells me they are excited about not having to pay that money for the rest of *this year*, not just the next two. So it's more attractive to them than an expiring deal.

Or.. they're just trying to get their phones to ring with people asking about Wallace.

If they make the trade with Cleveland in this configuration (or something similar) then I don't see why they'd hesitate to move Jackson too. It's total fire sale mode.

The only think about Charlotte sending a lottery protected first rounder is that it might be several years before they are out of the lottery. Need to know more details about that, if the provision expires after a certain number of years.

I agree that it is fire-sale mode at that point...

I think if it gets to year 4 you're are SOL when it comes to lottery protection. I could be wrong but year 3 is the safest protection you get.

[j0Shi]

Isn't highly unlikely that they'll give up Wallace PLUS Jax for a TE (Cavs) and an expriring (i.e. Butler + assets) ?!?

I mean ... they won't win a single game without these two.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Isn't highly unlikely that they'll give up Wallace PLUS Jax for a TE (Cavs) and an expriring (i.e. Butler + assets) ?!?

I mean ... they won't win a single game without these two.

Some owners value money saved over wins...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Some owners value money saved over wins...

You mean the Bobcats AREN'T making the playoffs this season???

I was led to believe otherwise...

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Rhylan

The fact that they're responding so favorably to a TE tells me they are excited about not having to pay that money for the rest of *this year*, not just the next two. So it's more attractive to them than an expiring deal.

Or.. they're just trying to get their phones to ring with people asking about Wallace.

If they make the trade with Cleveland in this configuration (or something similar) then I don't see why they'd hesitate to move Jackson too. It's total fire sale mode.

The only think about Charlotte sending a lottery protected first rounder is that it might be several years before they are out of the lottery. Need to know more details about that, if the provision expires after a certain number of years.

With 1000 fans in the stand, you'd better expect they want to shed as much as they can.

[CATCH-17]

Gerald Wallace is EXACTLY what this team needs.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

You mean the Bobcats AREN'T making the playoffs this season???

I was led to believe otherwise...

It was a toss-up either way with Wallace. Without Wallace, the assumption that they can make the playoffs is ambitious.

[frankvizza]

if i were the mavs i would be calling mj and see what they want for jax and crash them 2 guys on our team gives us a rea real real good chance at the title , send them haywood ,jjb, dojo and a first round pick and money if you got 2

[rabbitproof]

We can beat the Cavs, we just have to absorb more than Wallace. How about this? We get Wallace AND Jackson! We also have to take Diop but check it.

- Carroll's 4.3 TE for Livingston. Throw in a first. That's 7M in direct savings for MJ.
- Sign Novak or Sasha to a 1.1M contract.
- Send Butler/Stevenson/DoJo/Cardinal/JJB/Mahinmi/1.1M for Jackson/Wallace/Diop. That's 36M in direct savings.

MJ gets 43M in savings, a first and a couple young prospects in Mahinmi and DoJo. Could also add 6M cash icing to that booty.

Mavs get a sick A and B team.

Kidd/Livingston
Roddy/JET
Wallace/Jackson
Dirk/Marion
Chandler/Haywood
depth: Ajinca, random 10 day contract guy.

Cuban might go broke with that roster and not even let the Mavs have 13 guys but that team is athletic, good at defense, vet savvy and could absorb an injury still. We would have to be the favorites in the West.

[frankvizza]

i guess we can't exchange that trade with haywood rather than mahimi , i think haywood is a lost soll out there

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by frankvizza

if i were the mavs i would be calling mj and see what they want for jax and crash them 2 guys on our team gives us a rea real real good chance at the title , send them haywood ,jjb, dojo and a first round pick and money if you got 2

The Bobcats wouldn't have any interest in Haywood if they're cutting salary.

Something along the lines of Butler/Stevenson/Mahinmi/picks/cash for Wallace/Jackson would be a little more realistic (assuming the idea of acquiring both Crash & Jax is realistic in the first place...)


EDIT: then there's rabbitproof's crazy idea a couple posts up...

[BGMaverick9]

part two:

As stated in Part One, the Mavericks will test the trade waters to determine what is available to help improve their roster. The problem is that the workable assets are thin in terms of actual personnel to work in a deal. Dallas does have Caron Butler's expiring contract to offer but it is just a contract as the player, himself, is done for the year. But unless a team is doing a straight salary dump, the Mavs don't have a whole lot to offer on the trade front in terms of actual personnel that would actually excite another organization.

Jeff "Skin" Wade brought up a solid point on his recent Inside Skinny on ESPNDallas.com. The injury situation to Dirk Nowitzki has allowed the Mavericks to test different lineups but it does allow the team to show off the assets they do have to potential suitors.

Skin on Ajinca

What we've learned is that he's a solid athlete for a 7-footer with a nice outside touch comfortably stretching out to the short-porch corner 3. He's also in the last year of a deal making $1.5 million. He's only 22. The more you see him play, the more intrigued you become. Add it all together and that has value.

Teams that may be in trade discussions with the Mavericks right now need to see him play. He's not just a "throw-in." He has skills worth developing, but he's a project and that ain't part of the program with a veteran team thinking about hardware.

The other likely assets in terms of personnel would be (in no specific order): Brian Cardinal, Ian Mahinmi, JJ Barea, Roddy Beaubois and Dominique Jones. Sources have indicated that Mark Cuban is the President of the Roddy Beaubois Fan Club so unless a major superstar deal is there, I find it hard to believe he'd actually trade away Beaubois. That means in terms of a young guard, Dominique Jones could possibly emerge as the viable trading chip.

Whether it is Beaubois or Jones, other teams understand they're getting a project player. The teams obtaining either guard will be at least 2-3 years away from being remotely relevant so that would give those guards time to learn and grow with little pressure. With a project guard, savvy free agent moves and solid drafting, said team could be a viable playoff team in a couple of years as some of the other teams age and fade into the background.

Tying in the personnel and non-personnel assets, it's time to dive in to Part Two and find more potential suitors.

read the rest at http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/1/...ville-part-two

[mavs777]

You guys have to remember though Cuban wants to win this money is coming from his pockets and he does have a budget

[cowdog80]

Originally Posted by dude1394

WE NEED a small forward. I want one that is a little bit nasty, but if not, one that will defend as well. Tyson can whip him into shape! Prince does have the defensive pedigree however...

HAD the defensive pedigree. He's been living off the reputation garnered by the '04 Finals for a while now.

The guy has gotten worked in 6 of his last 7 playoff series* and he's a couple years older now. At best, he can be counted on for mediocre defense at age 30.

Not that he wouldn't represent an attractive upgrade - but his primary value at this juncture is actually on the offensive end.

* Guys like Lebron and Pierce tend to work most of the opposition, but that also includes Hedo and Deng. The one guy that he's actually handled was Iggy.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by cowdog80

HAD the defensive pedigree. He's been living off the reputation garnered by the '04 Finals for a while now.

The guy has gotten worked in 6 of his last 7 playoff series* and he's a couple years older now. At best, he can be counted on for mediocre defense at age 30.

Not that he wouldn't represent an attractive upgrade - but his primary value at this juncture is actually on the offensive end.

* Guys like Lebron and Pierce tend to work most of the opposition, but that also includes Hedo and Deng. The one guy that he's actually handled was Iggy.

Good points - Prince definitely isn't as strong defensively as he used to be, but I still think he'd look better in Dallas than he does in Detroit.

Hell, even Jason Terry looked like a decent defender in our zone before the injury bug bit - I'm sure Prince's defense would be more than solid enough to get the job done...

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Good points - Prince definitely isn't as strong defensively as he used to be, but I still think he'd look better in Dallas than he does in Detroit.

Hell, even Jason Terry looked like a decent defender in our zone before the injury bug bit - I'm sure Prince's defense would be more than solid enough to get the job done...

plus if the offense is considered the "strength"...Dallas will gladly welcome that. Detroit's offensive focal point...???? Prince will be able to roam free in Dallas.