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mcsluggo · 07-30-2008, 08:29 AM

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the most we would get is flashing glances back and forth...but even that would get me hot.

lets try to keep this out of the thread on children's books, ok?

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 08:34 AM

Trying to forget the fact that 90% of the pensieve scenes will be wrong or nonexistent, I'm trying to be happy that nothing seen from Gambon on the teaser trailer(who is featured heavily) looks like his usual crazy-mean-arse-dumbledore.

sike · 07-30-2008, 11:34 AM

Gambon has been "fine"...he just isn't Harris. Who can blame him for that?

I would like to see (and expect to see) a better Dumbledore from here on out.

jthig32 · 07-30-2008, 12:53 PM

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Gambon has been "fine"...he just isn't Harris. Who can blame him for that?

I would like to see (and expect to see) a better Dumbledore from here on out.

No, he has not been "fine". He's been awful.

He has absolutely no feel for the character. Anyone can play a somewhat refined old man.

He should have been fired for his work in the scene in the GOF immediately after Harry's name came out of the Goblet, along with anyone who felt like his portrayal was acceptable.

nikeball · 07-30-2008, 12:59 PM

RIP Richard Harris.

The real Dumbledore.

mcsluggo · 07-30-2008, 01:04 PM

Snape kills Dumbledore !! SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!!!!!

Dumbledore is dead.

sike · 07-30-2008, 01:09 PM

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No, he has not been "fine". He's been awful.

He has absolutely no feel for the character. Anyone can play a somewhat refined old man.

He should have been fired for his work in the scene in the GOF immediately after Harry's name came out of the Goblet, along with anyone who felt like his portrayal was acceptable.

because its up to the actor to determine how to play a scene? Please people, let realize that falls on a director.

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 01:28 PM

I thought he was fine to good in POA. I thought he added a little bit of very Dumbledore like comedy that Harris actually didn't do...

But in GOF, he was downright miserable.

In OOTP....no strong feelings I guess.

HBP will be his first (and kind of last) large Dumbledore responsibility. From the teaser trailer his demeanor looks appropriate. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I'd have thought that Jo would've said something to the film people by now about him....maybe she has. We'll never know.

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 01:30 PM

One thing about having such low expectations is that you get a little pleasantly surprised sometimes. I could look back through this thread to see what I thought of OOTP the morning after, but I think I was kind of pleased. I liked it better than I thought I would.

I think that GOF is going to end up being the Star Trek V, or Phantom Menace of this movie franchise.

u2sarajevo · 07-30-2008, 01:38 PM

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I think that GOF is going to end up being the Star Trek V, or Phantom Menace of this movie franchise.

Which kills me because that was, and still is after 4 readings, my favorite of the series.

jthig32 · 07-30-2008, 01:40 PM

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because its up to the actor to determine how to play a scene? Please people, let realize that falls on a director.

Disagree. That scene (at least the part that was ridiculous) was driven by Dumbledore's character and personality. They dictated his response to the situation and thus his actions towards Harry and others in the room.

It's on the actor to have a firm enough grasp on his character to know how to play that. The sad thing is, in this situation all the actor has to do is sit down and READ. It was embarassing.

Obviously the director takes a share of the blame, but it's up the actor to know his character.

I have a weird obcession with that scene. I think it was the moment I realized the people in charge just didn't "get" the books. At least in the movie they didn't.

sike · 07-30-2008, 01:42 PM

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Which kills me because that was, and still is after 4 readings, my favorite of the series.

THBP is my favorite...and I'm a bit nerrrrrrrrrrvous. (Seattle Slew takes a bow)

jthig32 · 07-30-2008, 01:42 PM

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Which kills me because that was, and still is after 4 readings, my favorite of the series.

Really, interesting.

I'd say of the five that really matter, it's my least favorite. Not that I dislike it, obviously. But I'd rank it below OOTP by a narrow margin.

sike · 07-30-2008, 01:43 PM

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Really, interesting.

I'd say of the five that really matter, it's my least favorite. Not that I dislike it, obviously. But I'd rank it below OOTP by a narrow margin.

I with ya thiggy...Just didn't like how we were supposed to care about characters we know will most likely NOT (edit) be important past this book (which proved true for the most part).

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 01:55 PM

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Really, interesting.

I'd say of the five that really matter, it's my least favorite. Not that I dislike it, obviously. But I'd rank it below OOTP by a narrow margin.

In general I think I like the books, best to least, in reverse order except for swapping 4 and 5 maybe. 7,6,4,5,3,2,1.

I think they just got better and better as they went, and not just because of the plot. I thought her style and wit got better as she went along.

For the movies, I go: 3,5,2,1,4.

u2sarajevo · 07-30-2008, 01:57 PM

I liked how it built Harry's character. We got to see in him something that I hope to see in my children.... watching him face hard decisions and make the right decision.

If I were going to admit to almost shedding tears on any of the books, I would have told you it was during the Cemetary scene in the book. But I would never admit that if it were true. And I had seen the movie before the book. I didn't really understand the full depth of what was actually going on when I saw the movie though. And that's sad.... because isn't that the point of having the movie? To actually tell the story?

jthig32 · 07-30-2008, 02:02 PM

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In general I think I like the books, best to least, in reverse order except for swapping 4 and 5 maybe. 7,6,4,5,3,2,1.

I think they just got better and better as they went, and not just because of the plot. I thought her style and wit got better as she went along.

For the movies, I go: 3,5,2,1,4.

In general I agree except that I have a soft spot for PoA for some reason.

I think the kids entering the tunnel under the Willow was the first "can't put the book down until I'm done" moment of the series, which is why I like it so much.

And U2, I get what you're saying on the reasoning.

And I think I'll take this moment to give the yearly reminder that you owe Flac and I a debt of grattitude on the move/book front.

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 02:04 PM

Man, you guys are nerds.

Five-ofan · 07-30-2008, 02:18 PM

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I thought he was fine to good in POA. I thought he added a little bit of very Dumbledore like comedy that Harris actually didn't do...

But in GOF, he was downright miserable.

In OOTP....no strong feelings I guess.

HBP will be his first (and kind of last) large Dumbledore responsibility. From the teaser trailer his demeanor looks appropriate. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I'd have thought that Jo would've said something to the film people by now about him....maybe she has. We'll never know.

the reason you have no strong feelings about him in ootp is that its the book dumbledore is the least important in(including the last one that he isnt even alive in) which is what scares me to death about the movie hbp because dumbledore is SOOOOOO important in that movie and he cant just not suck in that movie, hes got to actually be darn good or its going to mess up the movie and i just dont see him being darn good.

sike · 07-30-2008, 02:20 PM

I also owe the nerds in this thread a annual thank you for the impetus to read the series...

u2sarajevo · 07-30-2008, 02:22 PM

Five-o - *Yates has solved that problem by making the focus of this film the relationship side of the book. Ron/Lavender/Hermione - Ginny/Harry.

* - This is a u2 prediction. Not known fact. However, I base that off of Yates interviews.

jthig32 · 07-30-2008, 02:27 PM

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Five-o - *Yates has solved that problem by making the focus of this film the relationship side of the book. Ron/Lavender/Hermione - Ginny/Harry.

* - This is a u2 prediction. Not known fact. However, I base that off of Yates interviews.

"solved the problem" in heavy, HEAVY quotations, no?

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 02:28 PM

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Five-o - *Yates has solved that problem by making the focus of this film the relationship side of the book. Ron/Lavender/Hermione - Ginny/Harry.

* - This is a u2 prediction. Not known fact. However, I base that off of Yates interviews.

That's what that ssssppppaaaaaare did with GOF. Remember my rants on how much of the movie was spent on the freaking Yule Ball?

I gotta give Yates credit for hardly any Harry/Cho crap in the last movie. That was just the right amount...almost none at all.

Five-ofan · 07-30-2008, 02:28 PM

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Five-o - *Yates has solved that problem by making the focus of this film the relationship side of the book. Ron/Lavender/Hermione - Ginny/Harry.

* - This is a u2 prediction. Not known fact. However, I base that off of Yates interviews.

i really really hope not. i mean the ron/hermione and harry/ginny relationships are important and because of its implications to the ron/hermione relationship the ron/lavender relationship is important but the focus of this book has to be the harry/dumbledore relationship, the plot to kill dumbledore and the quest to understand voldy. I dont see anyway dumbledore isnt the second most important character in this movie...

Five-ofan · 07-30-2008, 02:30 PM

i have the solution, let someone who has actually read and enjoyed the books direct the movie...

u2sarajevo · 07-30-2008, 02:32 PM

Well obviously I know the important focus of the book. I just don't have faith that Yates does.

u2sarajevo · 07-30-2008, 02:32 PM

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i have the solution, let someone who has actually read and enjoyed the books direct the movie...

That would have been good..... Yates is already signed up for DH though.

sike · 07-30-2008, 02:37 PM

If he continues to improve like with OOTP, I'll be perfectly happy....though the story is only getting more complicated...

Five-ofan · 07-30-2008, 02:47 PM

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If he continues to improve like with OOTP, I'll be perfectly happy....though the story is only getting more complicated...

the reason he improved with ootp is that ootp had very clear cu things that could be easily left out of a movie while the hbp doesnt really have stuff to leave out. He'll have to leave some stuff out but i have a feeling he'll screw up what to leave out and how to fit it together.

sike · 07-30-2008, 02:49 PM

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the reason he improved with ootp is that ootp had very clear cu things that could be easily left out of a movie while the hbp doesnt really have stuff to leave out. He'll have to leave some stuff out but i have a feeling he'll screw up what to leave out and how to fit it together.

There is no way this movie isn't awesome. Book it, doubters. Filled with plenty of Dumbledore and Young Voldy...

"Did he say awesome?"

Yes, yes I did.

Five-ofan · 07-30-2008, 02:51 PM

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There is no way this movie isn't awesome. Book it, doubters. Filled with plenty of Dumbledore and Young Voldy...

"Did he say awesome?"

Yes, yes I did.

oh im quite certain it will be good. the question is will it be as good as it could be.

Big Boy Laroux · 07-30-2008, 02:51 PM

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Mugglenet has screen shot by screen shot "walk through" of the trailer here.

Interesting tidbits - It shows Harry running through a field, with Draco(?) watching him? I'm racking my brain but coming up with nothing. Unless, perhaps it's a poor representation of the ROR where he is hiding his book and they put Draco in there too for dramatic effect? Or perhaps it's after Katie gets cursed and he's running to get help? If that's it though, Draco should be in detention with Minerva.

Then there is this picture..... And this is, who? It's not Tonks, is it Ginny? She's in the fields too it appears. Is this part of the fabricated part of the story the producers said they were adding at the Burrow?

Doesn't look like draco to me. Hair is dark and he's sporting a goatee... And it looks like Ginny to me.

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 02:52 PM

No Hepzibah Smith. No Gaunts. No Professor Trelawney.... no problem.

And the locket is probably buried under some floorboard in the Hogs head.

Whatever

(I'm quite looking forward to it actually)

sike · 07-30-2008, 02:56 PM

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oh im quite certain it will be good. the question is will it be as good as it could be.

well, the simple answer to that is no. Adaptations NEVER are. Even Jackson's Rings flicks could have been better.

I'm just hoping it will be a very good cinematic version of the story.

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 03:04 PM

This is most vexing.

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/trailer.php?number=32

The only thing I can say about this person in this picture, is that it must be Fenrir Greyback. That is the only possible character that has actually been cast for this movie that I could possibly see this being.

As far as the scene itself...no idea.

sike · 07-30-2008, 03:05 PM

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This is most vexing.

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/trailer.php?number=32

The only thing I can say about this person in this picture, is that it must be Fenrir Greyback. That is the only possible character that has actually been cast for this movie that I could possibly see this being.

As far as the scene itself...no idea.

Greyback makes sense...

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 03:07 PM

They cast a MMA fighter as Greyback, so at least the guy was already in the entertainment industry.

sike · 07-30-2008, 03:11 PM

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They cast a MMA fighter as Greyback, so at least the guy was already in the entertainment industry.

rock me.

Big Boy Laroux · 07-30-2008, 03:22 PM

i was thinking it was greyback as well. That's the pic U2 was asking whether it was draco.

Five-ofan · 07-30-2008, 03:52 PM

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well, the simple answer to that is no. Adaptations NEVER are. Even Jackson's Rings flicks could have been better.

I'm just hoping it will be a very good cinematic version of the story.

actually i disagree. the lotr movies are a good bit better than the books imo. The hobbit was a better book than any of the lotr books. The LOTR books were a marvel of creativity but they drag quite a bit...(i know its blasphemy to fantasy book readers to say that)