Jeremy Lin....

[rabbitproof]

I also forgot insinuating his future success will be due to Stern.

So cool.

[rabbitproof]

You're losing it, man.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

CB is pretty much the worst scout you could ever imagine. And very, very self-delusional.

Well in his defense, I believe he did mention "Doug McDermott" in another post...that guy is good. But nonetheless, it's fail on J. Lin no doubt!

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I also forgot insinuating his future success will be due to Stern.

So cool.

There's no insinuation there. The kid is getting star calls, that's just a fact.

But you're right, it's not like Stern doesn't have a history of milking certain players/teams...

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Well in his defense, I believe he did mention "Doug McDermott" in another post...that guy is good. But nonetheless, it's fail on J. Lin no doubt!

Chum is just a senile old man, that's all.

[rabbitproof]

Fiiiiiiiiiive years to see if someone is a rotational player... geesh...

alright.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

I'm not wrong, you dumb fuck. You can't be wrong about a player's FUTURE in the NBA at this juncture.

Christ, you just aren't very bright, are you?

Well, lets see. If in the next 5 years, he spends most of his time coming off of the bench, or starting and putting up below average numbers, I'll say that I'm right.

Right now he is putting up great numbers. We're not talking about right now.

You are indeed wrong, because all of the evidence any of us has right now says you are.

Who's the dumb fuck? The fuck who says that Jeremy Lin is a god-awful basketball player because he turns the ball over a little too much and doesn't hit jumpers at the prescribed rate? That's a good start...

[twelli]

Over the past nine games Lin has been doing all the things great players do (except for the turnovers).

Scoring check
Passing check
Playing defense check
Playing with heart check
Playing unselfish check
Playing aggressive check
Going to the basket check
Making big shots check
Getting the home crowd going check
Playing successfully despite mounting pressure and expectations check
Praising his teammates after a win check
Taking blame after a loss check
Winning against bad AND good teams check

Considering all the right things he does, even his turnovers are kind of nice, showing that he is human after all

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

You are indeed wrong, because all of the evidence any of us has right now says you are.

Who's the dumb fuck? The fuck who says that Jeremy Lin is a god-awful basketball player because he turns the ball over a little too much and doesn't hit jumpers at the prescribed rate? That's a good start...

Who said he was a god-awful basketball player?

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Fiiiiiiiiiive years to see if someone is a rotational player... geesh...

alright.

You do realize players may start for 2 years, and then not the next 3, or even the rest of their career?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Who said he was a god-awful basketball player?

It would have been a dumb fuck like you.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

It would have been a dumb fuck like you.

Show me, Busey.

[chumdawg]

No need to show, bro. It's all over the place.

[Big Boy Laroux]

10 years from now, when Lin moves to a 6th man role as a veteran, Cad is going to come back on this board and say he was right.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by CadBane

You do realize players may start for 2 years, and then not the next 3, or even the rest of their career?

So are you saying this scenario would prove you correct? If that's the case, there is no reasoning with you. Being a 2 year starter in the NBA (even if that is followed by years coming off the bench) is hardly a "bench player at best".

Would you say JET is a "bench player at best"? Jamal Crawford? Lamar Odom... wait, scratch that last one...

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

10 years from now, when Lin moves to a 6th man role as a veteran, Cad is going to come back on this board and say he was right.

Are you capable of making a post where you don't blatantly and purposely misinterpret my stance? Just curious.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

So are you saying this scenario would prove you correct? If that's the case, there is no reasoning with you. Being a 2 year starter in the NBA (even if that is followed by years coming off the bench) is hardly a "bench player at best".

Would you say JET is a "bench player at best"? Jamal Crawford? Lamar Odom... wait, scratch that last one...

You just answered my previous question, thank you.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Are you capable of making a post where you don't blatantly and purposely misinterpret my stance? Just curious.

Are you capable of making a post where you don't look like an ass?

Just wondering...

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Who said he was a god-awful basketball player?

Originally Posted by CadBane

Jeremy Lin is a god-awful basketball player and a D-league scrub at best.

I'm pretty sure that's accurate cause it wouldn't have been anything banworthy, right?

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Are you capable of making a post where you don't blatantly and purposely misinterpret my stance? Just curious.

Hard to interpret your stance when it changes with every post.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Hard to interpret your stance when it changes with every post.

My stance has not changed once. You just continue to misrepresent it.

[Big Boy Laroux]

In what way? Define your criteria for "bench player at best". (We'll just ignore that D-league scrub at best comment - I'm sure that was taken out of context. Must have been.) Seems to me that you are trying to have an open-ended definition so that you cant be wrong.

Edit - your words were actually "he'll never be a starter" and that he'd never be more than a rotation player. Had to edit before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth with "bench player at best" (which is the same thing, but we know how you love semantics)

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

In what way? Define your criteria for "bench player at best". (We'll just ignore that D-league scrub at best comment - I'm sure that was taken out of context. Must have been.) Seems to me that you are trying to have an open-ended definition so that you cant be wrong.

Edit - your words were actually "he'll never be a starter" and that he'd never be more than a rotation player. Had to edit before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth with "bench player at best" (which is the same thing, but we know how you love semantics)

What's confusing? I think he'll be a good player off of the bench. Jason Terry, Lamar Odom, Manu Ginobili have all served that role.

I don't think that Jeremy Lin will be starter material in the NBA in the coming years. I think he'll be a good rotation player off of the bench. I really fail to see what's complicated about that.

As for the "godawful" quote, someone is going to have to link me to that thread, because the only time I would have conceivably said something like that was perhaps back when he was on our SL roster. And if I did say that, I was indeed quite wrong.

[CadBane]

For what it's worth, here's what guys that know more about basketball than you think of Lin...

Terry: “To me, it’s 100 percent what it is. If you play 46 minutes (a game) in this league, you have an opportunity to put up some nice numbers,” Terry said. “Again, it is what it is. He’ll have to maintain this pace. It’s going to be tough. Ask anybody: Give them an opportunity, ball in their hands, 20-plus shots and you better do something.”

“It wouldn’t have happened elsewhere,” Terry said. “He was in (Golden State and Houston) and it didn’t happen. He wasn’t given the opportunity in those places, or with those systems. He probably didn’t fit. But in this system, he’s perfect.”

Kidd: “Listen, a lot of players would llllove to play in D’Antoni’s system. He’s taking D’Antoni’s offense and he’s looking a little bit like Steve Nash out there.”

Marion: “This system is amazing for (Lin). They’re running a thousand pick and rolls. He’ll go from one to another if he doesn’t get what he wants.”

[twelli]

Is he going to learn and become better or is he already at his best now and will decline soon? I mean, what are the odds here? Guy is 23 and just started to play heavy minutes in the league. He's smart, has a good work ethic, is not undersized for his position and has shown a lot of versatility so far. Why shouldn't he be a starter for years to come?

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by CadBane

What's confusing? I think he'll be a good player off of the bench. Jason Terry, Lamar Odom, Manu Ginobili have all served that role.

I don't think that Jeremy Lin will be starter material in the NBA in the coming years. I think he'll be a good rotation player off of the bench. I really fail to see what's complicated about that.

Right - and that is what i understood you to be saying, but I wasn't an ass about it. My point here is, you're claiming you're right and everyone else is wrong when the only supporting evidence out there contradicts everything you're saying. He is playing at an elite level, not just starter level.

I also think he will come back down to earth. But coming back down to earth would still make him starting PG material. What I was asking is - at what point would you be convinced? 2 years of starting? 10? Etc. Having an open-ended timeline just allows you to never be wrong.

You're entitled to your opinion. We wouldn't be needling you about this if you weren't such an insufferable prick to anyone who has a differing opinion from you.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by CadBane

For what it's worth, here's what guys that know more about basketball than you think of Lin...

Terry: “To me, it’s 100 percent what it is. If you play 46 minutes (a game) in this league, you have an opportunity to put up some nice numbers,” Terry said. “Again, it is what it is. He’ll have to maintain this pace. It’s going to be tough. Ask anybody: Give them an opportunity, ball in their hands, 20-plus shots and you better do something.”

“It wouldn’t have happened elsewhere,” Terry said. “He was in (Golden State and Houston) and it didn’t happen. He wasn’t given the opportunity in those places, or with those systems. He probably didn’t fit. But in this system, he’s perfect.”

Kidd: “Listen, a lot of players would llllove to play in D’Antoni’s system. He’s taking D’Antoni’s offense and he’s looking a little bit like Steve Nash out there.”

Marion: “This system is amazing for (Lin). They’re running a thousand pick and rolls. He’ll go from one to another if he doesn’t get what he wants.”

Of course the system and opportunity are a large factor in this - I've said so myself (d'antoni's system, d'antoni about to get fired, Lin not looking over his shoulder, etc.). But the system doesn't cause the % he is putting up. If he was shooting 30 times a game and making 30%, I'd be right there with you. But he's not.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Also, my reason for bringing up Terry, Crawford, Odom (when he didn't suck), and let's add Harden to the list... just because you come off the bench doesn't mean you are merely a rotational player. Those guys are starter level, they just come off the bench because it fits their team. But they could be starting on 80% of the other teams in the league.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yes, he passes the eye test. Idk how great he can be but I have long believed he had what it takes to be a starter. Kinda sucks that he tore us up so bad and our best defender couldn't deal with him.

Where is Jthig? Haven't seen him in here in a while.

I'm here. I don't read this thread much because the current discussion doesn't really interest me.

He's clearly established himself as a viable NBA player, so good for him. You were right about his potential. It's still ridiculous for people to clamor to replace a current rotation player with a Summer League walk on.

[Scoobay]

I think this thread will be fun to look back at no matter what.

obviously some are slower to get on the bandwagon than others though the momentum seems to be gaining even just from looking back at the first few pages.

thought this was a fun link and a reminder that anything can happen. (not saying Lin will just be a flash in the pan)

http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/...sports-history

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

thought this was a fun link and a reminder that anything can happen. (not saying Lin will just be a flash in the pan)

http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/...sports-history

so the apt NBA comparison from that list (and one i have heard already) is Flip Murray.

The difference, though, is that Lin (so far) brings more to the table than just scoring. He is orchestrating an offense as opposed to just shooting.

It's not like Flip dropped off the face of the earth - he put up over 12 ppg just 3 years ago. Millions of people dream of having that type of career. But I think Lin will be more than that simply because he has other facets to his game.

Lin doesn't need to score over 20 a game to continue to be a viable starter. He could average 12 points and 6 assists and be a legit NBA starter at PG.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Also, my reason for bringing up Terry, Crawford, Odom (when he didn't suck), and let's add Harden to the list... just because you come off the bench doesn't mean you are merely a rotational player. Those guys are starter level, they just come off the bench because it fits their team. But they could be starting on 80% of the other teams in the league.

Yeah, those guys might be top 50 active NBA players depending on the year and system. "Bench player" doesn't mean much in that context.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

so the apt NBA comparison from that list (and one i have heard already) is Flip Murray.

The difference, though, is that Lin (so far) brings more to the table than just scoring. He is orchestrating an offense as opposed to just shooting.

It's not like Flip dropped off the face of the earth - he put up over 12 ppg just 3 years ago. Millions of people dream of having that type of career. But I think Lin will be more than that simply because he has other facets to his game.

Lin doesn't need to score over 20 a game to continue to be a viable starter. He could average 12 points and 6 assists and be a legit NBA starter at PG.

agreed - Flip wasn't that bad. He was never that great after his initial outburst but still was a pretty good back up. his 'star' potential was definitely flash in the pan but he was a respectable rotation player and back up guard.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by twelli

Over the past nine games Lin has been doing all the things great players do (except for the turnovers).

Scoring check
Passing check
Playing defense check
Playing with heart check
Playing unselfish check
Playing aggressive check
Going to the basket check
Making big shots check
Getting the home crowd going check
Playing successfully despite mounting pressure and expectations check
Praising his teammates after a win check
Taking blame after a loss check
Winning against bad AND good teams check

Considering all the right things he does, even his turnovers are kind of nice, showing that he is human after all

It's an insane story. He's set career highs in atleast one category in every game he's started, which is bound to end, but consider he's doing that while getting best defender and hard double team treatment. You'd expect Miami to put LeBron on him at times (which is insane to think about). What's most important in analyzing the kid is that he is 7-1 as a starter... without Melo.

Still very curious to see how Lin and Melo mesh.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

agreed - Flip wasn't that bad. He was never that great after his initial outburst but still was a pretty good back up. his 'star' potential was definitely flash in the pan but he was a respectable rotation player and back up guard.

And my point is that due to his skill set, I think Lin will be more than that. Cad thinks that's his ceiling.

I think Lin will settle as a consistent NBA starting PG, although not an all-star (although he'll probably make the all-star team every year he plays because of popular vote).

[tcat075]

I laughed at the tags.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by tcat075

I laughed at the tags.

I just noticed them this morning. A nice laugh for a Monday.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I just noticed them this morning. A nice laugh for a Monday.

My favorite is "Jeremy Lin". Everyone other one is an attempt at humor, but one poor soul actually tried to use the tags correctly. what was he thinking...

[xrobx]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm here. I don't read this thread much because the current discussion doesn't really interest me.

He's clearly established himself as a viable NBA player, so good for him. You were right about his potential. It's still ridiculous for people to clamor to replace a current rotation player with a Summer League walk on.

it was ridiculous for us to pass up a talented guy like robert traylor to get some 7 foot project from germany. Sometimes you have to take chances in this league and the writing was all over the wall with Lin

that said, if I could go back and give him barea's job, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize the championship we just won. But I'd take him over roddy and dojo any day.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Right - and that is what i understood you to be saying, but I wasn't an ass about it. My point here is, you're claiming you're right and everyone else is wrong when the only supporting evidence out there contradicts everything you're saying. He is playing at an elite level, not just starter level.

I also think he will come back down to earth. But coming back down to earth would still make him starting PG material. What I was asking is - at what point would you be convinced? 2 years of starting? 10? Etc. Having an open-ended timeline just allows you to never be wrong.

You're entitled to your opinion. We wouldn't be needling you about this if you weren't such an insufferable prick to anyone who has a differing opinion from you.

Wait...what? I never once claimed I was right. See, you just keep making shit up. I said I haven't been proven wrong. I haven't been proven right, either. I could very well wind up wrong about Lin. Maybe he does keep up this play and he's an all-star next year. I'll gladly admit being wrong if it comes to that. It's happened before.

My contention is with people saying I'm wrong *now* after 10 games. I'm sorry, but that's not enough time to have a definitive answer one way or the other.