Dallas Mavericks Offseason Thread

[eyedentifyme]

So Roddy's number is a "." That's a first.

[badfish22]

Heres another one..........

[rabbitproof]

Ooohhh........ Mr. Chris Paul Stopper.

[Windmill360]

RB3

[Rick41]

RB3 has lots of balls.

[sefant77]

Boobs and Balls

[badfish22]

God these last post have been so thought provoking

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by badfish22

God these last post have been so thought provoking

Na, the pictures just show that he takes really good care of his balls.

[Rick41]

I must say those balls look fresh.

[SMC0007]

Oh cool, I did a gewgle search for "black mans shiny balls" and I ended up here. Sup guys.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Oh cool, I did a gewgle search for "black mans shiny balls" and I ended up here. Sup guys.

lol, you're googling black mans shiny balls.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Rick41

lol, you're googling black mans shiny balls.

Thats what McGrady is googling every april...

[mavspwnage]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Thats what McGrady is googling every april...

actually he's googling "how to win a playoff series."

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by mavspwnage

actually he's googling "how to win a playoff series."

He found the answer, get injured.

[sefant77]

This offseason is sooooo boring now....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjUS9LckEJs&hl=de

[badfish22]

Per sham sports, Gooden contract isnt exactly what was first reported:


"$1.9 mil guaranteed
$4.5 mil Guaranteed on Jan 10th

~42% guaranteed at ~ 45% of the way through the season. Fully guaranteed after Jan 10th.

Incentives that can make the contract greater than $4.5 mil exist and are not listed as likely as previous reports shown, they are "unlikely" but unknown what the incentive actually are.

5% trade kicker.


This means we should still have $1.35 mil on our MLE (would have been less if the incentives were "likely") and this means we will have a GOODen chip btwn Dec 15th and Jan 10th where the other team adds no salary similar to Stack, Buck, and Damp."



http://shamsports.com/content/pages/.../mavericks.htm

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...?f=12&t=936505
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=936548

Not sure how trustworthy this guy is, but he seems pretty confident in his source, maybe the Mavs got some sorta plan to trade him in December.

[sefant77]

Looks like Powe goes for 2 years to Cleveland for the minimum.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ign_leon_powe/

Did we even try?

[DavidDaMonkey]

Fish is talking about the Gooden contract also over at DB.com

Originally Posted by Mike Fisher -- DB.com

Breaking: What If Gooden's Contract Is Only $1.9 Mil?
If Our Numbers Are Correct, The Mavs Have Cleverly Created Another Chip
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

If you’ve read between the lines of our coverage of the Drew Gooden signing, you’ve undoubtedly noticed the wide swath of room I’ve allowed for the exact dollar figures involved in the one-year deal. The Mavs and the mainstream media kept writing that it was for $4.5 million guaranteed; whispers I was hearing kept causing to write that “the guaranteed portion was about half that.’’

I promised to chase this thing down, almost as much out of my stubbornness as its importance as a story. Is it really $4.5 million? Or is it, as I was told the very weekend Gooden said “Dallas here I come!’’ something like $1.8 million? Why have the Mavs been so sly about this? And what difference does it all make?

The answers are very intriguing. … and very promising for the Mavs.

On the Monday after Gooden tweeted his announcement, a source close to the situation told me, “Well, it’s only $1.8 million guaranteed, as you know.’’

I informed my source, “Well, I know no such thing. It’s being reported at $4.5 million.’’

My source reiterated the number and moved on, leaving me believing that one of us – my source or myself – was mathematically challenged.

I hammered on the Gooden details for a week; maybe the task was made more difficult by the fact that, as you remember, he didn’t get signed very quickly after the announcement. So maybe there were still negotiations going on between the two sides? Maybe one side (Gooden’s) was really stuck on the $4.5 mil and maybe the other side (Cuban’s) was really stuck on the $1.8 million?

ESPN was sticking with its $4.5 million number. Another NBA source told me “that’s the number that will be reported (to the league for cap purposes.)’’ So last weekend, I pretty much gave up my chase.

But in the last 24 hours:

*I called back my original source. He said “around $1.8 million’’ again … and while he wouldn’t give more details, he was very insistent.

*At 11 p.m., DallasBasketball.com cap guru David Lord came screeching into my driveway (in a viral way), all sweaty and breathing heavily to tell me he just heard that my $1.8 million was right.

“There's a story here, Fish,’’ D-Lord hollered. “If this thing is structured like it might be, it looks like the Mavs invented another “Buck Shot’’-like contract that can be used in December if needed. It's actually quite creative on their part.’’

*Very early this morning, 75-Member Staffer “JES12’’ (quite a capologist in his own right) got a message board reply from ShamSports, another expert on NBA contracts. Sham had recently written on his site of Gooden’s deal:

Drew Gooden: Signed a one year contract in July 2009. Only $1.9 million is guaranteed, strangely. Contract contains performance bonuses currently listed as "unlikely."

With follow-ups and guidance from JES12, here’s what we think we know:

*The guaranteed amount is indeed “about half the reported number.’’ It’s $1.9 mil.

*So what’s this $4.5 million business? The great Marc Stein, who broke that information, wasn’t wrong; but the fully-guaranteed part of $4.5 mil doesn’t come into play until after Jan 10th. And the $1.9 mil will be pretty much paid by the Mavs before Jan. 10.

*Gooden’s contract is written as $4.5 million, so that does gobble up most of the MLE. However …

*Between Dec. 15 (the earliest Gooden can be traded) and Jan. 10 (when his fully-guaranteed contract becomes fully-guaranteed) the Mavs have themselves yet another valuable trade chip from the same family as The Stack Chip, The DUST Chip and The Buck Shot. Even after Jan. 10, Gooden’s contract can be traded as a regular expiring … . But it's grandest value is this: Dallas can trade him for up to $5.725 mil of value, and the other team can immediatley waive him, take the cap relief and not pay a penny of salary.

If we've got our numbers right ... it's all pretty clever.

The ramifications are many. And promising. We'll have more details for you as the day goes on, but for now: You get relief in the knowledge that Dallas didn't overpay for Gooden. You get to know that while I’m still mathematically challenged, my sources aren’t. And you get to know that the creative number-crunchers in the Mavs front office are working at this stuff even more diligently than the likes of Sham, JES, David Lord and me!

Again, more details throughout the day ...

I've never been one with vast knowledge of the cap rules, but this certainly sounds like a good thing. It makes the Gooden signing a little more palpable for those that were upset about it, and it possibly means we are gearing up to try and get a big man around December. If we do ditch Gooden, I have a hard time believing we wouldn't try to get a big man in his place since that would leave us with essentially only Damp, Dirk (and I don't realllly count Dirk) and Jawai (who will not likely be a huge contributor).

[jthig32]

My reservations on Gooden are now completely, utterly gone. The thing I couldn't wrap my head around was how this guy go so much money, even on a one year contract. Now we know. He didn't. At least, not yet.

The Mavs just created ANOTHER instant expiring they can use this season. Incredible.

You have to hand it to the front office. They're one of the few teams willing to take on ANY salary at all, and they're out and out engineering trade chips that can (potentially) help them take advantage of this willingness.

People will downplay this until something actually happens, but the point is they're creating opportunities. Maybe something will come of it, maybe it won't, but they're giving themselves a chance to make a splash.

Bravo.

Also, I'd been meaning to mention this and kept forgetting: In Simmons' latest podcast that involved Bucher and Stein, Bucher stated very emphatically that he expected more cost-cutting moves to happen the closer we got to the start of the season. He said he felt like some owners were going to look up a few weeks before the season, see the deplorable state of their season ticket numbers, and order their GM's to unload salary. Period. Just unload it.

So stay patent on the "Buck chip".

[greensborohill]

It's the Good Chip Lolly Pop

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I like that Gooden has to earn the rest of the money. Good incentive to have a hopefully productive season.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Also, I'd been meaning to mention this and kept forgetting: In Simmons' latest podcast that involved Bucher and Stein, Bucher stated very emphatically that he expected more cost-cutting moves to happen the closer we got to the start of the season. He said he felt like some owners were going to look up a few weeks before the season, see the deplorable state of their season ticket numbers, and order their GM's to unload salary. Period. Just unload it.

Wow....really? (And thanks to thig for listening to a podcast most of us wouldn't even consider)

If that were to happen, it would just be a matter of which GMs are willing to jack with their teams that close to the season. I wonder if that's us. I suppose all of these sneaky little outs they're leaving themselves suggest just that.

[dude1394]

If we have to ditch gooden in mid-season I am depressed. I don't see many if any teams add major pieces at the trade deadline and compete.

[BGMaverick9]

I don't really pay attention to other contracts for other teams other than the initial numbers...but it seems like this is becoming a specialty for our FO: the non-guaranteed deal. They really do seem like they're geared up to have chip upon chip to throw at teams in the next few months to try to find upgrades or have money come off the books.

It's real creative work they've done in the past couple of months.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by dude1394

If we have to ditch gooden in mid-season I am depressed. I don't see many if any teams add major pieces at the trade deadline and compete.

Didn't watch much of the 2003-2004 season, did you? (Actually, now that I think of it, you were probably so overcome by Raefless Mavs Syndrome that you may have just blocked out the Pistons winning it all after the Sheed trade).

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Didn't watch much of the 2003-2004 season, did you? (Actually, now that I think of it, you were probably so overcome by Raefless Mavs Syndrome that you may have just blocked out the Pistons winning it all after the Sheed trade).

Or the Lakers going from 1st round losers to WC Champions after picking up Gasol in February.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by greensborohill

It's the Good Chip Lolly Pop

Its the Beard Chip!

Well, i like that flexibility but actually i hope we ADD more talent with them and not just "having the possibility".

[bobatundi]

Wonder how long before Fuhrer Stern outlaws these type of contracts?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I just care that Gooden plays well this season. He is my X Factor going into the season. Last four Novembers he has averaged 13/10 and nothing below a 12/9.5. That includes the center time he played for the Bulls in which he was a 13/10 guy in nov. I figure with less minutes here that may dip a little, but even a 10/6 would match what Bass and Hollins gave us combined last season.

Ugh, August really does suck NBA wise.

[chumdawg]

Gooden must have been pretty hard up in terms of offers, to accept a contract structured like that.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Didn't watch much of the 2003-2004 season, did you? (Actually, now that I think of it, you were probably so overcome by Raefless Mavs Syndrome that you may have just blocked out the Pistons winning it all after the Sheed trade).

No I knew about it and should have qualified my statement that the pistons were the exception and that it happens rarely. That's the last time I recall that. However if it means that we get rid of gooden and pick up...well heck I haven't figured out what type of center would really make a ton of difference to be honest. I like kaman but others hate him, others like camby and he underwhelms me. Shaq would have been a pretty drastic inside presence, someone who could really punish a tony parker/anyone without taking a flagrant, just by being a brick wall. That would be kinda nice. I don't think that Gortat makes us the favorite for example.

As far as watching the series, you are correct, I"m a limited sports viewer, once my team is out, I sorta lose interest.

As someone mentioned later adding Gasol would NOT be a bad thing and I'm not saying it wouldn't. But unless the person coming in is truly a current dynamic all-star, letting gooden walk will probably be a sign of a bad season.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Or the Lakers going from 1st round losers to WC Champions after picking up Gasol in February.

Yup...that was a pretty good one. If we could pick up o' dwight howard for nothing I guess I'd have to change my tune.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Wow....really? (And thanks to thig for listening to a podcast most of us wouldn't even consider)

Bill Simmons regularly produces podccasts that I enjoy more than anything done by the Ticket these days.

I *love* the Simmons/Stein/Bucher basketball podcasts.

Highly recommend them to any basketball nerds. And they always spend time discussing Mavs because of Stein.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Gooden must have been pretty hard up in terms of offers, to accept a contract structured like that.

That could be true. Or his agent pushed hard for him to sign here so he could advertise that he got his client 4.5 mil, conveniently leaving out the structure.

[Sportstudi]

That means we would have the dust chip, the buck shot and Gooden's expiring as trade material. The more I think about it, the better it gets...

[rabbitproof]

You have to wonder if the rest of the league is

1) isn't savy enough
2) isn't rich enough

to not follow suit... this seems like a one-off gimmick unless we only actively approach free agents who would take this sort of deal (Jason Kidd said no).

[MavsFanFinley]

The Spurs do a lot of partially guaranteed contracts. Oberto and Bowen are recent examples that helped land them Richard Jefferson. I think Haislip, Hairston, Blair, and McDyess also have partial deals.

But I haven't seen anything like Gooden's contract. I find it hard to believe he didn't have better offers unless he's that confident he can meet the incentives.

It's a hell of a gamble by the Mavs too. You take the chance he doesn't contribute at all and hope you can combine him with another expiring to get something better. But it could be a big pay off he works out too.

[sefant77]

I think Zachs contract isnt full the last year...

[mavs777]

It seems Donnie has grown a brain during the off season, seems genius to me.

[mavErika]

one more time, but without the emblem:


edit: anybody who can't see the picture of Roddy? It appears in the preview and immediately after posting, but for me it vanishes after refreshing the browser.

I must admit though I never figured out how to include pics in posts/signatures--> see my sig