LAD - Life After Deron

[Bayliss]

I'm also not one that thinks we owe it to Dirk to trade him. Most superstars have to endure a rebuilding year or two in their career.

Well, if Cuban wasn't going to field a competitive team... the Mavs should not have made the playoffs last year. That way they could have gotten a higher pick in this year's draft and maybe got Dirk paired with another young player. Then do that again this year and by then the Mavs may have had a team similarish to the Thunder.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

How do you propose they do that? They don't seem to have anything that can be considered a significant asset in a trade, they can't offer as much money as the free agent's incumbent team, and they don't have a roster brimming with talent outside Dirk. The irony of the whole stripping of the roster for cap flexibility is that it's left them a whole lot less attractive to the prize free agents that the available cap space was supposed to help us snag.

I'm not sure what the magic bullet is to overcome this, or even if it exists, but it's hard to see there current strategy being a winner. To me this all goes back to their decisions in the Summer of 2011, but it's too late to rewrite history at this point. I'm fearful that the Dirk era ends with a whimper, but I suppose it was a great run while it lasted.

That's the million dollar question, obviously. I don't know. But they clearly decided that they weren't winning another title without another star, so here we are. If all else fails, we'll bottom out and try to hit big in the lottery, like everyone else.

[NoTnERb]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It's pretty clear to me that Dragic is a polarizing guy. You either love him or you think signing him reeks of Detroit 09.

You either ride through the storm and deal with whatever damage comes your way in hopes of what could be on the other side or you shift your course and start with your star and a piece that could work.

BG, do you have anything on the Mavs FO? They've been standing pat and haven't even said a word. They've been offering ridiculous 1 year contracts and they're going after Lin which right now is going to be pretty stupid since NY will match whatever offer Lin gets. Then they still have this "hope" that the big FAs next year comes over here.

[Bayliss]

BG, I'm probably not going to be able to listen to your show tomorrow night but it's on my Itunes feed... so definitely upcoming. Love to hear what you, Rhylan, and Folloill think about which direction.

[Bayliss]

"A league source said Jeremy Lin will be offered a contract today — maybe in the [four-year] $30 million range — in a back-loaded nature similar to the one the Rockets offered Bulls big man Omir Asik." (via CBSSports.com)

The source said the Rockets will offer Lin $5 million, $5.2 million and then plan to jack up the third and fourth years to as much as $10 million.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Underdog

So we're going to be the 2007 Miami Heat, but one year removed from our championship and with an aging superstar?

Yeah, I'm not interested in that... What else do you have?

The 2010 Miami Heat would perhaps be a bit more hopeful, wouldn't it?

Seriously, though, unless the Lakers decide they want to trade us Pau for Mahinmi or something, I just don't see how you can do anything but tank for the year. Aim for the lottery, hope some opportunities come up to do something constructive with Marion's and Haywood's contracts, develop the youth you have as best you can. I certainly don't see Dirk's age as a good argument for delaying the inevitable.

[He15man]

Man i hope Cuban is filming some good episodes of Shark Tank.

[Bayliss]

@SpearsNBAYahoo
7-3 center Hasheem Thabeet agrees to two-year deal with @okcthunder, source tells Y! Second overall pick in 2009 draft joining his 4th team.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

"A league source said Jeremy Lin will be offered a contract today — maybe in the [four-year] $30 million range — in a back-loaded nature similar to the one the Rockets offered Bulls big man Omir Asik." (via CBSSports.com)

The source said the Rockets will offer Lin $5 million, $5.2 million and then plan to jack up the third and fourth years to as much as $10 million.

I don't care how it plays out, that's essentially a $7.5M per year offer versus Dragic's $10M per year request... Does Dragic get $10M? Who do you have more faith in for the price - Dragic or Lin?

[rabbitproof]

7/4/2012 8:47 PST

The time the word tanking came to the dallas-mavericks.com in reference to a Dirk team.

Augh. My stomach. It was punched.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

@SpearsNBAYahoo
7-3 center Hasheem Thabeet agrees to two-year deal with @okcthunder, source tells Y! Second overall pick in 2009 draft joining his 4th team.

That's certainly not going to hurt them...

[Bayliss]

Seriously, though, unless the Lakers decide they want to trade us Pau for Mahinmi or something, I just don't see how you can do anything but tank for the year. Aim for the lottery, hope some opportunities come up to do something constructive with Marion's and Haywood's contracts, develop the youth you have as best you can. I certainly don't see Dirk's age as a good argument for delaying the inevitable.

Wouldn't it have been smarter to tank last year considering it was a deeper draft?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Unless he wants to stay for pennies and a backup role, I'm out on Kidd.

If he is our starting PG this season, I will miss the beginning of a lot of games.

Unfortunately I don't see many other decent options. Delonte?, roddy?

[LonghornDub]

I take Dragic at 8-9 over Lin at that price. 10 for Dragic gives me serious pause tho.

[pepe]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The 2010 Miami Heat would perhaps be a bit more hopeful, wouldn't it?

Seriously, though, unless the Lakers decide they want to trade us Pau for Mahinmi or something, I just don't see how you can do anything but tank for the year. Aim for the lottery, hope some opportunities come up to do something constructive with Marion's and Haywood's contracts, develop the youth you have as best you can. I certainly don't see Dirk's age as a good argument for delaying the inevitable.

How the mighty has fall.

[Bayliss]

Oh I know about Thabeet. I'm surprised the Mavs didn;'t get him. He was on their radar. Guess he didn't want the one year deal. And no he aint a loss. He'll be fighting Aldrich for most worthless player on the Thunder award.

The sad part is on the Thunder it is relegated to the bottom 2-3 guys. On the Mavs? After Dirk/Marion all have a good case.

[rabbitproof]

The only question becomes is do you reload faster with or without Dirk?

You will definitely get better lotto picks and also free up more cap room quickly but you really start from ground zero. You essentially become the Bobcats with organizational pluses.

Looking at it that way, if Dirk can stomach it and we want to do it to Dirk, we try it with Dirk first and eventually, in a couple years, we try it without Dirk.

[purplefrog]

When Dirk signed an extension a few years ago the FO hoped for and received a gesture that indicated his loyalty to this franchise. Dirk took a bit less money, talked to no other teams and everyone applauded his approach. The FO patted him on the back and promised they would support his decision by remaining competitive. Last year I was willing to go along with their desire to reserve cap space because there seemed to be a legitimate shot at securing their PG of the future... DWill. But their lack of activity this year is unexcusable. Offering a one year deal to Nash is an embarrassment to Steve and to the NBA community. It makes our FO look like arrogant little children who "know" they are right and everyone else who is still spending on contracts dead wrong. My respect for Cuban and Donnie is at an all time low. They can not expect loyalty from their players when they are unwilling to take some chances. Period. End of story. Right now they are not even trying and their lack of action puts a whole new light on Tyson and JET. This cold attitude toward players that helped them win their ring will come back to haunt the franchise, it may already be here. Maybe they can pull a rabbit out of the hat and then I will eat crow, but right now Cuban and Donnie are doing a piss poor job. They can best be described as super arrogant or scared little sissies running away from the big bad CBA. Show some creativity FO or sell the team and let someone else give it a go. If you're not willing to play with the big boys then get back to your TV show and spare us your "know-it-all" attitude. I simply don't buy the idea that there is nothing they can do to maximize the final years of Dirk's career. Cuban is supposed to be the innovative businessman who is at the cutting edge. Well right now his actions don't reflect that super businessman persona. He is acting like someone who really doesn't care or is scared he will lose his shirt. I say it again, get out of the kitchen if its too hot for you.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The 2010 Miami Heat would perhaps be a bit more hopeful, wouldn't it?

Seriously, though, unless the Lakers decide they want to trade us Pau for Mahinmi or something, I just don't see how you can do anything but tank for the year. Aim for the lottery, hope some opportunities come up to do something constructive with Marion's and Haywood's contracts, develop the youth you have as best you can. I certainly don't see Dirk's age as a good argument for delaying the inevitable.

I don't see Pau or Mahinmi, but the conspiracy theorist in me sees Orlando giving in and trading Howard for Bynum.

Then the badass teams will be Miami, LA, OKC, Chicago. Followed by the second tier of San Antonio, Brooklyn, Boston, LA Clippers, Indiana, Atlanta. Followed by the third tier of Memphis, Orlando, Utah, Denver, Philly AND . . . . . . DALLAS!!! That's right. We are about to become a .500 basketball team.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by NoTnERb

BG, do you have anything on the Mavs FO? They've been standing pat and haven't even said a word. They've been offering ridiculous 1 year contracts and they're going after Lin which right now is going to be pretty stupid since NY will match whatever offer Lin gets. Then they still have this "hope" that the big FAs next year comes over here.

There's some things I know and some I don't. It's pretty obvious though that there are two potential paths for how things can turn out in terms for what they do this current free agency period.

Originally Posted by Bayliss

BG, I'm probably not going to be able to listen to your show tomorrow night but it's on my Itunes feed... so definitely upcoming. Love to hear what you, Rhylan, and Folloill think about which direction.

Thanks. It should be fun.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

When Dirk signed an extension a few years ago the FO hoped for and received a gesture that indicated his loyalty to this franchise. Dirk took a bit less money, talked to no other teams and everyone applauded his approach. The FO patted him on the back and promised they would support his decision by remaining competitive.

And, shortly after, they brought Dallas it's first championship. I don't think letting Chandler go (when he would have been the 2nd highest paid Mav next to Dirk for the rest of his career) for a 50/50 shot at getting Deron Williams is a sign that Cuban "doesn't care" or is "scared".

Let's not pretend like Dirk has been cheated or that the MBT has taken advantage of him.

edit: And if you want to get on Cuban for being complacent because he finally won a title (although I would argue that is entirely not true), you could point that same absurd notion at Dirk for his stats last season. Bottom line, Cuban AND Dirk are insanely competitive guys that will not throw the towel in as easily as 90% of the fans.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Mark Cuban is an outspoken owner. The course of the franchise has been severely altered and he hasn't spoken an F-ing word yet.

Plus, I'm sick of hearing about the CBA. The GM's of the other teams in the NBA seem to have figured out how to do transactions. Why can't we?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The 2010 Miami Heat would perhaps be a bit more hopeful, wouldn't it?

Seriously, though, unless the Lakers decide they want to trade us Pau for Mahinmi or something, I just don't see how you can do anything but tank for the year. Aim for the lottery, hope some opportunities come up to do something constructive with Marion's and Haywood's contracts, develop the youth you have as best you can. I certainly don't see Dirk's age as a good argument for delaying the inevitable.

If Dirk was 5 years younger, sure - but if you're tanking to rebuild, then you might as well just trade Dirk since you'd be doing nothing more than killing the tail end of his prime (pretty sure I'm echoing someone else's post in this thread...)

And why would he stick around when his contract is up? He doesn't owe it to the Mavs to slog through a long rebuilding process when he could be chasing rings on a 3-year contract in another uniform a few years from now...

I have no interest in seeing Dirk come off the bench for the Nets during the 2016 Finals... Get Dragic.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Mark Cuban is an outspoken owner. The course of the franchise has been severely altered and he hasn't spoken an F-ing word yet.

Plus, I'm sick of hearing about the CBA. The GM's of the other teams in the NBA seem to have figured out how to do transactions. Why can't we?

Although it was a generic answer, he did reply to an email from Caplan.

[He15man]

[howdoesmydirktaste]

I don't see the harm in getting Dragic. If he turns out to be above average, he becomes a trade asset if something better comes along. If you plan on my ass paying to watch a game next season, you better put out something better than what you have right now Cuban.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

I don't see the harm in getting Dragic. If he turns out to be above average, he becomes a trade asset if something better comes along. If you plan on my ass paying to watch a game next season, you better put out something better than what you have right now Cuban.

Oh boy... in that case, pay the man his money!

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Although it was a generic answer, he did reply to an email from Caplan.

I guess I missed it.

So, what are these two courses you speak of in your previous response?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

The only question becomes is do you reload faster with or without Dirk?

You will definitely get better lotto picks and also free up more cap room quickly but you really start from ground zero. You essentially become the Bobcats with organizational pluses.

Looking at it that way, if Dirk can stomach it and we want to do it to Dirk, we try it with Dirk first and eventually, in a couple years, we try it without Dirk.

You can get draft picks for a decade and not get another dirk. I just don't see how you give up on him. Now dirk deciding to leave is another matter entirely.

[Bayliss]

Here's a better gif of Cuban. It sums up the last two offseasons:

[clutch#41]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

one of the best free agent groups in years?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If Dirk was 5 years younger, sure - but if you're tanking to rebuild, then you might as well just trade Dirk since you'd be doing nothing more than killing the tail end of his prime (pretty sure I'm echoing someone else's post in this thread...)

And why would he stick around when his contract is up? He doesn't owe it to the Mavs to slog through a long rebuilding process when he could be chasing rings on a 3-year contract in another uniform a few years from now...

I have no interest in seeing Dirk come off the bench for the Nets during the 2016 Finals... Get Dragic.

UD, you're killing me. Goran Dragic is going to be the difference between Dirk staying or leaving at the end of his current contract?

And you (and others) realize that Dirk has a no-trade clause, right?

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

UD, you're killing me. Goran Dragic is going to be the difference between Dirk staying or leaving at the end of his current contract?

And you (and others) realize that Dirk has a no-trade clause, right?

I think UD and others are under the assumption that things are so bad in Dallas that Dirk would agree to (push for?) a trade.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

I guess I missed it.

So, what are these two courses you speak of in your previous response?

Punt or shift and take a chance on a PG

[Bayliss]

one of the best free agent groups in years?

And most of the big names are going to be re-signed a la Blake Griffin has done in LA.

[He15man]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Here's a better gif of Cuban. It sums up the last two offseasons:

Exactly

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Oh boy... in that case, pay the man his money!

There are more tactful ways to say that you don't think he's worth the money.

[Bayliss]

nd you (and others) realize that Dirk has a no-trade clause, right?

I imagine he can waive it if he wants to......

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

There are more tactful ways to say that you don't think he's worth the money.

I'm not even sure he's not worth the money... I just love making fun of fan entitlement, is all.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

UD, you're killing me. Goran Dragic is going to be the difference between Dirk staying or leaving at the end of his current contract?

And you (and others) realize that Dirk has a no-trade clause, right?

No, Dragic should be the first of several pieces to give Dirk a CHANCE to win a ring in a Dallas uniform... But if you can't get a decent PG before his contract is up, then why bother?

And my assumption is that we'd be trading Dirk at his own request, so the no-trade clause doesn't really come into effect... Otherwise, Dirk can opt to stick through the rebuilding process, whatever.