Let's talk roster.

[sefant77]

Still 8 weeks until training camp, 10 weeks until season start....are you f kidding me..

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I don't see why he would if Philly is shipping out their best player in the deal...

Dude averaged a whopping 12pts a game. He is a great defensive wing but he is very replaceable--Evan Turner is his clone.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Dude averaged a whopping 12pts a game. He is a great defensive wing but he is very replaceable--Evan Turner is his clone.

I have a hard time believing Evan Turner is his equal or his clone in terms of defense. Sure, Iggy doesn't score a ton of points on a consistent basis, but he's one of the most versatile wing and under appreciated wing players the league has to offer. He can do pretty much anything on the floor, a jack of all trades kind of player.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Dude averaged a whopping 12pts a game. He is a great defensive wing but he is very replaceable--Evan Turner is his clone.

Yep, Evan Turner is just like him, except in terms of ability.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I have a hard time believing Evan Turner is his equal or his clone in terms of defense. Sure, Iggy doesn't score a ton of points on a consistent basis, but he's one of the most versatile wing and under appreciated wing players the league has to offer. He can do pretty much anything on the floor, a jack of all trades kind of player.

A jack of all trades and master of none type of player. Iggy is so overrated by those who don't watch the 76ers night in and out. Iggy is an inconsistent version of the Dallas version of Shawn Marion yet he earns twice as much as Marion and he is the face of the 76ers. Iggy is being paid franchise player money yet he would be the 3rd/4th best player on championship quality team. Give me Bynum. You can build a team around him. We already have a nice young PG he can grow with.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

A jack of all trades and master of none type of player. Iggy is so overrated by those who don't watch the 76ers night in and out. Iggy is an inconsistent version of the Dallas version of Shawn Marion yet he earns twice as much as Marion and he is the face of the 76ers. Iggy is being paid franchise player money yet he would be the 3rd/4th best player on championship quality team. Give me Bynum. You can build a team around him. We already have a nice young PG he can grow with.

Nobody's saying that Iggy is better than Bynum - the only point that anyone made is that Bynum would have no reason to stick around in Philly if Iggy gets shipped in a trade... You just fabricated a debate that nobody is participating in so you could rag on Iguodala for whatever reason.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Nobody's saying that Iggy is better than Bynum - the only point that anyone made is that Bynum would have no reason to stick around in Philly if Iggy gets shipped in a trade... You just fabricated a debate that nobody is participating in so you could rag on Iguodala for whatever reason.

Losing Andre's 12pts and 30M contract is the reason why Andrew would not re up with Philly. Money talks especially when the guy has little endorsements to supplement his basketball income. Andrew will have his own team now, will be given that Max contract no other team can offer him (Deron says high), and the Sixers will have cap space next off season and can offer some of their youth to tinker the roster around him.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Losing Andre's 12pts and 30M contract is the reason why Andrew would not re up with Philly. Money talks especially when the guy has little endorsements to supplement his basketball income. Andrew will have his own team now, will be given that Max contract no other team can offer him (Deron says high), and the Sixers will have cap space next off season and can offer some of their youth to tinker the roster around him.

Bynum didn't like getting jerked around in sunny L.A. - I see no reason why he'd suddenly be content playing for a re-building team in dreary Philadelphia (cap space is useless when there aren't any attractive FA's left on the market)... And I'm sure a major part of the reason that Deron stayed with the Nets is because he'd be the face of a new franchise in BROOKLYN - Philly doesn't present a glamorous opportunity like that for Bynum.

Also, he can make just as much money with ANY team if he signs an extension for that 5th year... And what do endorsements have to do with anything? Are you trying to tell me that he'd get better offers in Philadelphia than he would in a city like Dallas? He'd easily be this face of the franchise as Dirk rides off into the sunset... You're really reaching to make your point.

[dude1394]

I think bynums going to love philly. No more kobe to put up with and he'll be his own guy. Philly is still in that northeast corridor and he'll LOVE that 5 year contract extension for max bucks.

He's and dwight are going nowhere.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Losing Andre's 12pts and 30M contract is the reason why Andrew would not re up with Philly. Money talks especially when the guy has little endorsements to supplement his basketball income. Andrew will have his own team now, will be given that Max contract no other team can offer him (Deron says high), and the Sixers will have cap space next off season and can offer some of their youth to tinker the roster around him.

Deron sTays high?

or

Deron says Hi?

[iella]

I'm a little gun-shy on former Lakers with known attitude/motivation problems (oh wait that's all of them) right now, and I'm surprised more of you aren't...

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by iella

I'm a little gun-shy on former Lakers with known attitude/motivation problems (oh wait that's all of them) right now, and I'm surprised more of you aren't...

He gets the be the Alpha though in his new situation. Well, at least he SHOULD be based on that roster. That makes a situation where it probably works best for him. He'll have a chance to beast in the paint and he'll be doing it in a conference where he hardly has to face Dwight.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Bynum didn't like getting jerked around in sunny L.A. - I see no reason why he'd suddenly be content playing for a re-building team in dreary Philadelphia (cap space is useless when there aren't any attractive FA's left on the market)... And I'm sure a major part of the reason that Deron stayed with the Nets is because he'd be the face of a new franchise in BROOKLYN - Philly doesn't present a glamorous opportunity like that for Bynum.

Also, he can make just as much money with ANY team if he signs an extension for that 5th year... And what do endorsements have to do with anything? Are you trying to tell me that he'd get better offers in Philadelphia than he would in a city like Dallas? He'd easily be this face of the franchise as Dirk rides off into the sunset... You're really reaching to make your point.

Philly ain't rebuilding, their reloading. AS long as everybody in that lockerroom knows Bynum's the first option, they will win 45-50 games. He's from Jersey. The east won't be able to match up with him. I think at the end of the day, Bynum will see what it's like to be the first option....versus being a 2nd-3rd option for a Championship caliber team. He will get both viewpoints first hand and probably will decide his fate next summer. I can't see him committing now.

[markus1234]

Bynum cares about $. He is a champion already. His motivation to chase a ring is about as big as Lamar Odom's...

[BPo001]

So what player(s) who realistically could be available via trade or free agency next summer puts us on the same level as LAL, MIA, OKC?

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by BPo001

So what player(s) who realistically could be available via trade or free agency next summer puts us on the same level as LAL, MIA, OKC?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BPo001

So what player(s) who realistically could be available via trade or free agency next summer puts us on the same level as LAL, MIA, OKC?

Forget next summer - right now pretty much every player on every middling NBA roster is available via trade... And we have excellent assets for teams looking to shed salary.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

So...what's your thoughts on Hoopsworld?

[spreedom]

I think Bynum staying in Philly is a pretty safe bet unless they totally suck. He'll get all of the touches he wants and is the favorite as an All-Star starter for at least 5 or 6 years if he stays in the East. Given where he's been and where his career could go, I think he'll elect to be The Man on an average team before he gives up touches and guaranteed money to play for another contender.

[sefant77]

Bynum prtobably stays. Its a good young team and he get maximum money/contract years.

Thunder will offer Harden max for sure after Lakers and Heat stockpiling more

Paul stays. No reason to chance the Clippers for the Mavs.

Josh Smith (called out the Hawks fans more than once)
Ellis (Milwaukee sucks as team and city)
Mayo (opting out after breakout year)
Pekovic (best center left after Bynum/Dwight)

Millsap and Jefferson are both UFA but both limited to PF, so no

Best case you could add Smith/Ellis and try to become a balanced Pistons 04 team. Or Mayo breaks out and you sign him and Smith.

I think i would prefer now to dump Marion at the deadline to increase our 2013 cap..

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

So...what's your thoughts on Hoopsworld?

I would assume their list of free agents is fairly accurate.

[Simple_Like_That]

Do you guys still believe you don't need a young athletic C? D12 trade get the league by storm I know, but Kaman and Brand are not enought to handle their frontcourt. To tell the truth; I don't know what is enought to handle that... my biggest concern when I'm talking about your team is both of those guys are good, but are injure prone... if they stay healthy I think Mavs will be good but if they don't you guys will not be contenders this year.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Simple_Like_That

Do you guys still believe you don't need a young athletic C?

So much logic fail. This sentence basically implies a) that we disagree with you and b) that we need to be BOTH young and athletic to win a championship. Other than Chandler, the last time a team had a "young, athletic center"...well its been a LONG time. When was the last time Duncan was young? And I'd never say he was even considered athletic. The best I can come up with in the last 12 years is Bosh playing out of position and Wallace being crazy-as-hell at 6'8.5"

2012 - Bosh - undersized PF playing the center with a faster paced offense
2010 - Bynum - slow as mud
2009 - Bynum - slow as mud
2008 - Perkins - not exactly the definition of athletic
2007 - Duncan at 33yrs old
2006 - Shaq and Mourning both LATE in their careers
2005 - Duncan
2004 - Ben Wallace/Antonio McDyes
2003 - Duncan/Willis
2002 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Robinson/Duncan
1998 - Longley
1997 - Longley
1996 - Longley
1995 - Olajuwon
1994 - Olajuwon

Really looks like the only teams that did win without a superstar at the center position in the last 15 years have had stiffs (Longley, Perkins) or guys out-of-position (Bosh, Wallace)

[Kidd Karma]

Paritzan Belgrade has signed Drew Gordon.

http://www.sportando.net/eng/europe/...ew-gordon.html

[LonghornDub]

Cuban is on Ben and Skin for a full hour right now. Talking Deron, Dwight, roster, etc.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/dallas/play

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Cuban is on Ben and Skin for a full hour right now. Talking Deron, Dwight, roster, etc.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/dallas/play

keep us updated on anything interesting!

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

keep us updated on anything interesting!

I have to bail for a meeting, but so far the juiciest tidbits:

-He said it's possible the Deron thing might have turned out differently if he had been there, but then he admitted that's probably just cause he believes in his ability to close a sale.

-He then said that he thinks the team ended up better off because of the good players he got. He and Donnie were very concerned about having so much salary tied up in Dirk, Matrix, and Deron only. Thought it would have been hard to build a team around them.

-He also just said, "Free agents do want to come to Dallas, contrary to what people like to say."

-"None of our deals leak. If there's a team that talks, we're not gonna talk to them until the last possible minute. If you hear a rumor about a trade [involving us], you can bet it's not true."

[BPo001]

Hoopshype is reporting Mbenga will be rejoining the Mavs. Tacos?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Hoopshype is reporting Mbenga will be rejoining the Mavs. Tacos?

For training camp, at any rate. Remains to be seen whether they'll keep him around after that.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

For training camp, at any rate. Remains to be seen whether they'll keep him around after that.

It goes back to the need or kicking the tires on the idea of a need for additional depth at the 5 spot. They still like Bernard, but they'll see what DJ has left. They'll push each other with the winner sticking on the 15-man roster. In all likelihood, both of them will still be in Frisco for a better part of the year.

[Bayliss]

Well, Benga was dumb to come back to Dallas because I imagine he would have gotten paid more in Europe or China to play than he would have here. And he would have actually played over there. Here? He'll be nothing more than "security" for mark Cuban like he was for the Mavs the first time around.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Well, Benga was dumb to come back to Dallas because I imagine he would have gotten paid more in Europe or China to play than he would have here. And he would have actually played over there. Here? He'll be nothing more than "security" for mark Cuban like he was for the Mavs the first time around.

What if he actually likes the city of Dallas? The reason I say that is because he does. He's always been spotted at least once or twice during the past two summers here and according to people I trust, he's very fond of the area.

[nowhereman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1rZBxn3Zx8

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It goes back to the need or kicking the tires on the idea of a need for additional depth at the 5 spot. They still like Bernard, but they'll see what DJ has left. They'll push each other with the winner sticking on the 15-man roster. In all likelihood, both of them will still be in Frisco for a better part of the year.

You think they'd cut a guaranteed contract for DJ? Or would his staying be contingent on them unloading a player (not necessarily Bernard) in a trade? My thought went to the latter when I first saw the report.

[EricaLubarsky]

I dont mind the idea of a trade. As far as I'm concerned both Jones' are sitting at the end of the rotation. I'd hate to see a guy like James not get a roster spot because the guy just has to be with the team and play. If we're going to have a youth movement, we have to have them around and James is not a guy you can stash overseas because of his age.

If we can clear a spot without waiving a rookie, I'd be down. DJ's been out of the league for a year, but he contributed with NO when he played last. He's athletic and powerful. I honestly think that with Kaman starting, Brand can step in to play backup for stronger centers and Wright can backup the position with finesse players like the Lopezes of the world. Still, its nice to have a decent shot blocker that has gotten decent at rebounding, even if he is still extremely raw at every other facet of his game.

[DavidDaMonkey]

Let's see if we can have an entire 5 man line up of DJ's (Mbenga, Dahntay, and DoJo)

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DavidDaMonkey

Let's see if we can have an entire 5 man line up of DJ's (Mbenga, Dahntay, and DoJo)

We need to push hard for DeAndre Jordan and Darnell Jackson...

[LonghornDub]

I would've taken my boy Kevin Willis over "Tacos" Mbenga, but I'm no Brad Pitt in Moneyball.

[markus1234]

DJ had almost a fight with Dirk during practice, lol.

Nice to hear that it is all forgotten.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by markus1234

DJ had almost a fight with Dirk during practice, lol.

Nice to hear that it is all forgotten.

Hey, that's the type of intensity this years team is going to need if it wants to survive the West. I'm actually hoping players go at it as long as it is beneficial in the long run. No pansies on this squad. Roddy didn't take boxing lessons this summer for nothing...