Rodrigue Beaubois development thread - Page 17 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 12-23-2010, 01:42 PM

Yeah man!

SMC0007 · 12-23-2010, 01:42 PM

Underdog · 12-23-2010, 01:53 PM

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The greatest thing about Roddy is when he comes back we won't be relying on him to "produce or we fail". We have done well without him, exceptionally and surprisingly well without him. So whatever he brings whenever he comes back is just icing!

My guess is that it's less pressure than he would have had if he never got hurt. The guy can come in without the weight of the city on his shoulders to be the "2nd option" and play ball, like he did in the beginning and wow with his raw ability.

Maybe things happen for a reason, maybe this was a blessing in disguise.

Good point.

41mvp · 12-23-2010, 01:56 PM

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Yeah man!

ok

Romus · 12-24-2010, 05:24 AM

Anybody have got a good news about Rodrigue please ?
When Rodrigue comes back ?
Have great Xmas at all from france.

Go Mavs Go !

BGMaverick9 · 12-24-2010, 04:51 PM

"update" today from Carlisle:

"There's no timetable, we'll let you know when there's something eminent. We're going to be very cautious about (bringing Roddy back) and we're going to continue to be conservative with it. When there's time to report something, we'll let everybody know."

"He's a guy that we feel fits in. We feel that he's a different kind of weapon, but we're a long way from a conversation about him playing anytime soon."

JHT · 12-24-2010, 04:53 PM

Brandon Jennings has the same injury now.

How much you want to bet he's back before Roddy?

BGMaverick9 · 12-24-2010, 04:59 PM

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Brandon Jennings has the same injury now.

How much you want to bet he's back before Roddy?

Depends on how you look at it, or the respective teams look at it. Roddy is NOT seen as the savior of the team based on how things are going. He's seen as a very nice piece that can add more to the table.

Jennings is a franchise piece with Bogut and there isn't that much around them.

DavidDaMonkey · 12-24-2010, 05:03 PM

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"update" today from Carlisle:
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"He's a guy that we feel fits in. We feel that he's a different kind of weapon, but we're a long way from a conversation about him playing anytime soon."

Uggggghhhh. Merry effin Christmas.

BGMaverick9 · 12-24-2010, 05:04 PM

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Uggggghhhh. Merry effin Christmas.

at least you've got something...and everyone basically needs to hush now on "when will he come back?" When they know, you'll know lol

Rick41 · 12-24-2010, 05:06 PM

I've come to accept the fact that it will be a long while before we see Roddy in a uniform any time soon. So until then, i'll continue to care about current events regarding these Mavs on the court today.

When Roddy comes back he comes back.

BGMaverick9 · 12-24-2010, 05:08 PM

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I've come to accept the fact that it will be a long while before we see Roddy in a uniform any time soon. So until then, i'll continue to care about current events regarding these Mavs on the court today.

When Roddy comes back he comes back.

You're in the minority but I'm right there with you.

chumdawg · 12-24-2010, 05:27 PM

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"update" today from Carlisle:

"There's no timetable, we'll let you know when there's something eminent.

I think he means imminent. But man, it would certainly be nice if when it comes it's eminent.

BGMaverick9 · 12-24-2010, 05:40 PM

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I think he means imminent. But man, it would certainly be nice if when it comes it's eminent.

That's why it's not on an article yet...time for edits

xrobx · 12-24-2010, 09:07 PM

I kind of figured all along he wouldn't be back. If he comes back, it's a bonus. But for now, i'll assume he's done.

b_o_r · 12-24-2010, 09:49 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...-down-the-road

DALLAS -- The season debut for Roddy Beaubois remains far enough away that Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said he has yet to begin plotting how he'll work the second-year guard into the rotation.

"We’re a long way from that conversation," Carlisle said after the Mavs' hour-and-a-half practice Friday afternoon. "There’s no timetable. We’re going to be very cautious with this and we’re going to continue to be conservative with it, and when there’s time to report something we’ll let everybody know."

This week Beaubois added to his conditioning work. His latest visit with the doc cleared him to begin running in the pool, adding to work he's been doing on the elliptical machine and stationary bike. He still is not jogging or running on the court and when he's on the floor with the team during practices, he's only permitted to take set shots -- no jumpers.

Beaubois broke a bone in his left foot in early August practicing with the French national team. He had surgery a few days later. After one comeback attempt landed his foot back in a protective boot for a couple more weeks, the team has taken on an extremely cautious approach, and the Mavs' 23-5 record makes it that much more of an appropriate approach.

The Mavs' fast start might even utimately be a great thing for Beaubois, who by the end of last season was perceived as needing to be something of a savior or last hope for a team with questionable offensive firepower and creativity outside of Dirk Nowitzki. Carlisle said he disagreed with that notion even though Nowitzki on several occassions earlier this season was quick to reference Beaubois as a much-needed missing ingredient before the Mavs put together the type of consistent scoring balance they've achieved over the past month or so.

"He’s a guy that we feel fits in," Carlisle said. "We feel that he’s a different kind of weapon. But we’re a long way from a conversation about him playing any time soon."
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DavidDaMonkey · 12-24-2010, 11:10 PM

Oh I've accepted that he won't be back, and I'm not a whiner, but that doesn't mean I'm not upset about it. I know this stuff happens and I would rather them play this safely, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed about it.

grndmstr_c · 12-24-2010, 11:11 PM

Would be nice to hear something more definite. Though I will say that I won't be at all surprised if it turns out that he's already pretty close to be ready to appear in games by the time the team gets around to making an announcement about the timetable.

BGMaverick9 · 12-24-2010, 11:34 PM

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Would be nice to hear something more definite. Though I will say that I won't be at all surprised if it turns out that he's already pretty close to be ready to appear in games by the time the team gets around to making an announcement about the timetable.

It's very possible, but the media would find out about it or make an assumption. I mean we can tell he's still got a bit to go...he's not shooting jump-shots at practice, it's all set-shots and free throws.

So whenever we see him starting to take those shots, you know people will start to try to connect the dots and figure out a new timetable.

As far as I know, he's still getting checked out every 10 days or so with the doctor and assessing what's going on.

chumdawg · 12-25-2010, 12:04 AM

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Would be nice to hear something more definite. Though I will say that I won't be at all surprised if it turns out that he's already pretty close to be ready to appear in games by the time the team gets around to making an announcement about the timetable.

Serious?

EricaLubarsky · 12-25-2010, 12:27 AM

Im just glad our season is going well. If we were hanging around .500, I know the whole board would be lamenting that our "savior" was taking too long coming back.

If Roddy comes back as good as he did when he left that will be a bonus. If he doesn't, this team has found effective guys to step up to fill every position. This team is internally driven and passionate. Either way, I don't get the sense that he's being hurried so he has the best possible chance of playing this season and next

chumdawg · 12-25-2010, 02:52 AM

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If Roddy comes back as good as he did when he left that will be a bonus.

That's the rub. The kid broke his foot. Probably not.

fluid.forty.one · 12-25-2010, 03:26 AM

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That's the rub. The kid broke his foot. Probably not.

at least right away. By playoffs, maybe.

dude1394 · 12-25-2010, 10:53 AM

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Im just glad our season is going well. If we were hanging around .500, I know the whole board would be lamenting that our "savior" was taking too long coming back.

So true and even now he's the one and only missing key to the promised land.

xrobx · 12-25-2010, 11:05 AM

I hope we trade him

mavsfan1000 · 12-25-2010, 12:14 PM

In other words, Carlisle prefers Barea.

Popeye · 12-25-2010, 12:24 PM

Per Roddy:

"I'm sure it's going to be pretty soon -- a couple more weeks,'' Beaubois said. "But I don't know when, exactly, I'll be back.

"I can't do anything about that. The injury is right here. I just need to take my time and work my way back.''
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So it looks like Roddy thinks he'll get cleared for light practice in a couple of weeks. If that's the case, I'm thinking it would be early February for his return.

RareMilk · 12-25-2010, 12:46 PM

If Roddy comes back late in the regular season and puts up monster numbers, he would have crazy per game averages...

MavsFTR · 12-25-2010, 01:05 PM

Get well soon, Roddy. This team will need you.

41mvp · 12-25-2010, 01:51 PM

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Get well soon, Roddy. This team will need you.

yeah we need you!!!

LonghornDub · 12-25-2010, 02:52 PM

I was thinking he could be back maybe by the end of February. But I think even if it's mid-March, that would give him enough time to get acclimated and hopefully be a contributor in the playoffs.

But I use the term "contributor" fairly strictly. I can't see anyway he can come back from this type of injury and be some monumental gamechanger in the postseason with that little time to prep. My realistic ideal world at this point has him coming back with enough time in the regular season to get his feet under him (no pun intended) and then be able to come in for a bit of extra punch in the playoffs. And that's not to diminish what that would mean for this team. Those small extra contributions are almost always part of championship runs.

Bayliss · 12-25-2010, 03:39 PM

Honestly, the ideal thing is if comes back as late in the year as possible. So other teams can't gameplan for it in the playoffs. And may be an edge for the very tough teams they will have to play.

Kind of like the way Avery used Devin against SA in Game 2.... he saw something early in the year and held it for the playoffs.

41mvp · 12-25-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Honestly, the ideal thing is if comes back as late in the year as possible. So other teams can't gameplan for it in the playoffs. And may be an edge for the very tough teams they will have to play.

Kind of like the way Avery used Devin against SA in Game 2.... he saw something early in the year and held it for the playoffs.

yeah maybe this is good idea.But if he will be ready for a playoffs?I don't think so

Folterkammer · 12-25-2010, 04:18 PM

Why is everybody talking about febuary or march all of a sudden? He will start running in the pool as of now, give this two more weeks and he will be running on a practice court..

dude1394 · 12-25-2010, 04:39 PM

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Why is everybody talking about febuary or march all of a sudden? He will start running in the pool as of now, give this two more weeks and he will be running on a practice court..

We obviously need a paypal pool. I say it will be about a month, end of january (which is pretty close to feb)...

LonghornDub · 12-25-2010, 09:35 PM

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Honestly, the ideal thing is if comes back as late in the year as possible. So other teams can't gameplan for it in the playoffs. And may be an edge for the very tough teams they will have to play.

Kind of like the way Avery used Devin against SA in Game 2.... he saw something early in the year and held it for the playoffs.

I agree with this to some extent in theory, but I think generally the whole "other teams can't gameplan for X" angle is overplayed. I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference, but they're not going to be unprepared for him either way. The NBA saw him several times last year (including a smoking he put on the Spurs throughout part of that Game 6), and there's plenty of film on him.

And it's also of course outweighed by not wanting him to be completely rusty. Maybe that's what you meant by as "late as possible," but I'm quite sure the gains we would get from him coming back earlier and having PT would vastly outweigh the gains from him coming back late and "surprising" someone.

BGMaverick9 · 12-25-2010, 10:00 PM

It goes along the lines of what was mentioned during the Lakers/Heat game in regards to Mike Miller. The Heat are rolling right now and they still have to find a way to incorporate him into the mix. Of course, the situation is easy for them because he can't throw a penny into the ocean right now.

The problem is, the further the situation is delayed with Roddy, the harder it becomes to incorporate him into a rolling machine. I think there was a strong group of people who were content to sacrifice bits and pieces of the regular season to allow for growing pains with guys like Roddy and DoJo. Are there going to be people who are still willing to roll with that idea once you're approaching the final push into the last quarter of the season?

If you assume it's February, that's about 35 games left in the season. I'm still thinking it's worthwhile to get him at least a game or two in Frisco to get his feet wet. The later it drags on, it can start to become problematic. The rotation is rolling and I would think it's going to take a while to tweak to find the right setup. Knowing the staff, I'm thinking they've got an idea of what they'd like to do...but it's a matter of it actually being able to work.

Bayliss · 12-26-2010, 08:39 AM

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I agree with this to some extent in theory, but I think generally the whole "other teams can't gameplan for X" angle is overplayed. I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference, but they're not going to be unprepared for him either way. The NBA saw him several times last year (including a smoking he put on the Spurs throughout part of that Game 6), and there's plenty of film on him.

And it's also of course outweighed by not wanting him to be completely rusty. Maybe that's what you meant by as "late as possible," but I'm quite sure the gains we would get from him coming back earlier and having PT would vastly outweigh the gains from him coming back late and "surprising" someone.

The key difference though... this is not the same lineup that they saw last year when Roddy played. Throwing Chandler in the mix makes the evaluation/gameplan for Rody twice as hard.

And teams do make adjustments but you want them to make it after a couple of games in the series (when it is too late) than when it immediately starts.

(For example, McDyess can't get off the bench in SA, but I bet you that McDyess will play a ton of minutes in the playoffs if they play Dallas. Pop is "saving" McDyess in the regular season for the playoffs for that particular matchup.)

LonghornDub · 12-26-2010, 10:36 AM

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The key difference though... this is not the same lineup that they saw last year when Roddy played. Throwing Chandler in the mix makes the evaluation/gameplan for Rody twice as hard.

I see no reason why this would be true. As far as a scouting report goes, Roddy's game is Roddy's game, regardless of who he's playing with. Whoever we play will know that he can drive pretty well, that you have to close out on him deep, and that he's not particularly adept at setting up his teammates. These are professional NBA coaching staffs--they're not going to be befuddled by some 2nd-year SG simply because he didn't play for most of the regular season when there's plenty of film otherwise.

Again, I think this is just very overplayed. It can make a marginal difference, but fans consistently overhype the whole "surprise" element.

And even more importantly, like I said, any advantage we'd gain from surprising people with Roddy would be vastly outweighed by the advantage in his actual performance we'd gain by getting him back earlier and getting him integrated. The guy is going to be rusty as hell when he first comes back.

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(For example, McDyess can't get off the bench in SA, but I bet you that McDyess will play a ton of minutes in the playoffs if they play Dallas. Pop is "saving" McDyess in the regular season for the playoffs for that particular matchup.)

If that's true (which it may or may not be), it's because 1) McDyess is a matchup he likes against the Mavs, and 2) the guy is old and Pop doesn't want to play him much in the regular season. I really don't think it's because Pop thinks he's "surprising" anyone by throwing a 15-year veteran onto the court. The book is obviously completely out on Dice at this point.

Bayliss · 12-26-2010, 11:01 AM

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I see no reason why this would be true. As far as a scouting report goes, Roddy's game is Roddy's game, regardless of who he's playing with. Whoever we play will know that he can drive pretty well, that you have to close out on him deep, and that he's not particularly adept at setting up his teammates. These are professional NBA coaching staffs--they're not going to be befuddled by some 2nd-year SG simply because he didn't play for most of the regular season when there's plenty of film otherwise.

But it isn't just him. It is him with 4 other guys. And having a guy like Chandler makes all the difference in terms of spacing. Sure, they pretty much know what Roddy can do. He can shoot 3s and get to the rim. But is it easier to gameplan for him when you have a toffensively limited center who can't catch or score (0 FGs in 6 playoff games) or against a center who can score double figures... can catch, etc etc.

And I am willing to bet that if Roddy gets back... you will see a Roddy/Chandler pick and roll... with Dirk in one corner, Kidd in another corner... Butler somewhere beyond the elbow... teams won't be able to just blitz that pick.... they won't be able to just basically leave Chandler alone (like they did Damp).

Same thing applies with a Roddy/Dirk pick and roll. The center has to stay home.

That is what I mean by "surprise." The less time a team sees of actual set plays with Roddy on the court... the better the Mavs are at "surprising" the other team.

And McDyess isn't going to surprise the Mavs... But having him on the court changes the dynamics on both ends of the court. He can body Dirk up a lot easer so therefore some offensive sets can be neutralized (ie dumping it in the post)... on offense McDyess can hit the 15-20 footer more consistently than Blair and Bonner... so he is a better pick and pop person with Hill or Parker.

And if the Mavs see tape of it for 3 games (1 game has already been played)... they should get a better handle on it.

(It is the same reason why coaches use zone sporadically. Teams can adjust quickly.)