2018 Free Agency / Armchair GM Thread - Page 17 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 06-28-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Doesn't taking on Wes negate getting rid of DAJ though? I suppose they could move Wes later on, but I just don't think they're interested in his contract.

Wes is cheaper. We could trade Powell instead... I mean, they gotta take something back, otherwise it's not a trade.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2018, 03:35 PM

One way or another, DAJ is going to be a Maverick. That seems pretty clear at this point.

Melonhead · 06-28-2018, 03:52 PM

Could they be trying to get a 3rd team involved so they could bypass having to take on Wes? 6m less doesnt seem like the biggest off load.

mac222b · 06-28-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

One way or another, DAJ is going to be a Maverick. That seems pretty clear at this point.

Seems that way. I just hope we are negotiating as if we have leverage. Thats not a given with Cuban involved. We have 25m to spend on FA. If we give up any assets of value- aside from Wes and maybe a 2nd round pick- its poor negotiating. Trade him for Wes, sign DAJ in FA outright or walk away and sign Favors or someone of his ilk.

mac222b · 06-28-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Could they be trying to get a 3rd team involved so they could bypass having to take on Wes? 6m less doesnt seem like the biggest off load.

I think the other part of the equation is they can continue to operate as an over the cap team. Larger MLE exception and they'd get a TE they could use in another deal. Added flexibility. Wes is an expiring contract to flip. They lose more games if tanking is the goal.

mac222b · 06-28-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

LA does not have the leverage to demand Brunson... If anything, getting DAJ off their payroll is motivation enough for them to make the trade. I doubt there's another team out there offering to take him off their hands, as most teams cannot absorb his contract at the moment.

Not saying they do. That doesnt mean they havent asked. Guarantee they have. And it doesnt mean that we are better poker players.

Underdog · 06-28-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Not saying they do. That doesnt mean they havent asked. Guarantee they have. And it doesnt mean that we are better poker players.

You don't have to be a good poker player when you're playing tic-tac-toe.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2018, 04:13 PM

It's almost surreal that if DAJ opts out, then we're at 2015 all over again. Ain't done til the ink is dry.

sefant77 · 06-28-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It's almost surreal that if DAJ opts out, then we're at 2015 all over again. Ain't done til the ink is dry.

I think eben Jordan knows he would be completly burned after a 2nd time pulling out. And there isnt a huge market for him.

But yeah imaging him agreeing to sign with us and then Lebron deciding late to join the Lakers and recruiting him to join the Lakers too...

mac222b · 06-28-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You don't have to be a good poker player when you're playing tic-tac-toe.

Depends on what MBT has in mind with the $ we would have if a trade went through. The Clippers know we likely prefer a trade. Maybe we prefer to sign DAJ in FA? Doubt it though. No one thinks that the case. So its essentially swapping Wes for whoever we'd get in FA or with the extra 18m it affords us.

Opportunity cost comes with signing him using our capspace and of course Jerry West knows this

Unless keeping Wes is a fairly close 1b to whatever or 1a plan is.

XERXES · 06-28-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Cuban: Bring me Dwight!
Mavs FO: Here's Dwight Powell

Cuban: Bring me Atetdokounmpo
Mavs FO: Here's Kostas

Cuban: Bring me Steph Curry!
Mavs FO: here's Seth Curry

Cuban: I like that Deandre Ayton kid
Mavs FO: Here's an aging Deandre Jordan

This is golden.

saclare · 06-28-2018, 05:01 PM

Shams...

Sources: As Dallas remains engaged on DeAndre Jordan talks with the Clippers, Mavericks have rescinded qualifying offer tender on Salah Mejri.

Me.B · 06-28-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Shams...

Sources: As Dallas remains engaged on DeAndre Jordan talks with the Clippers, Mavericks have rescinded qualifying offer tender on Salah Mejri.

I believe they are just preparing to be in position to sign him as a free agent if a trade with the Clipps can’t be worked out and he opts out of his final year.

sefant77 · 06-28-2018, 05:32 PM

Sorry for Salah but Jordan/Dirk/Motley + Powell is enough for The Center position

SMC0007 · 06-28-2018, 05:45 PM

It would be slightly redeeming if he wanted to be here and worked out a deal that suited both parties.

tap2390 · 06-28-2018, 05:47 PM

My best (optimistic) conjecture as to what happens given that DeAndre has not yet opted out and a trade hasn't been worked out:

1) DeAndre doesn't opt out without a clear sign that $20+ million will be available to him in free agency. The Clippers lose their leverage.

2) Mavs attempt to sign Capela to a max / close to max offer sheet July 1st. Morey shops around and ultimately decides on a different option -- Favors with the MLE or Ryan Anderson + a pick for DeAndre.

3) Rockets resign CP3 to a 1 + 1 deal. Trevor Ariza walks.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2018, 05:56 PM

Can we please just trade for him alrdy. I am not looking forward to stalking twitter for a whole week just to get left at the alter again and sign plan d- joe center from backup city.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2018, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Can we please just trade for him alrdy. I am not looking forward to stalking twitter for a whole week just to get left at the alter again and sign plan d- joe center from backup city.

Still not seeing the Clippers angle on why they would do the trade.

Melonhead · 06-28-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Can we please just trade for him alrdy. I am not looking forward to stalking twitter for a whole week just to get left at the alter again and sign plan d- joe center from backup city.

Yeah this is getting painful

Melonhead · 06-28-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Still not seeing the Clippers angle on why they would do the trade.

Could they not offload Wes on someone to get more money back? The whole thing creates more work for them but the alternative (at the moment) is paying DJ.

mac222b · 06-28-2018, 06:53 PM

It seems like there are two outcomes: DAJ is traded here or DAJ signs here as a FA

mac222b · 06-28-2018, 06:55 PM

Maybe the Clippers decided nothing is better than Wes and are asking for more and we don’t want to give more. That’s the best guess. Game of chicken

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2018, 08:16 PM

IIRC there was a tweet saying they could avoid lux tax with the trade and if hes going to leave anyway they may as well. Also they have a TPE that expires soon that they could use with the savings made in this trade and still be under lux tax or or something. Then yeah they could trade Wes later.

NeedlesKane · 06-28-2018, 08:42 PM

Has anyone here been following the numbers closely? I am curious what we have to work with exactly. I think we only have 5 players signed. Are there any holds?

I see that Harrison Barnes, Wesley Matthews, Dwight Powell, J. J. Barea, and Dennis Smith Jr. are the only 5 players currently signed (at $59,891,832). I've also read that the NBA Salary Cap is $101 million with a luxury tax threshold of $123 million.

Underdog · 06-28-2018, 10:10 PM

Zach Lowe seems to think we're the only team in the mix for Jordan and that a 2nd round pick could get the deal done if we're willing to absorb his contract... Basically the Clippers would take a minimal return just to get him off the books.

Would DeAndre Jordan be good fit on the Mavericks? | The Jump | ESPN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccQs...ature=youtu.be

Underdog · 06-28-2018, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Zach Lowe seems to think we're the only team in the mix for Jordan and that a 2nd round pick could get the deal done if we're willing to absorb his contract... Basically the Clippers would take a minimal return just to get him off the books.

Would DeAndre Jordan be good fit on the Mavericks? | The Jump | ESPN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccQs...ature=youtu.be

And then I see David Lord saying the Mavs only have $7.4M in cap space and that if we're going to trade for Jordan we'd have to include Wes... I honestly have no idea what the right answer is, since all the links I find in a Google search seem to have conflicting information.

BPo001 · 06-28-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

And then I see David Lord saying the Mavs only have $7.4M in cap space and that if we're going to trade for Jordan we'd have to include Wes... I honestly have no idea what the right answer is, since all the links I find in a Google search seem to have conflicting information.

When Skin originally brought up the idea of trading for DJ he said something like Maxi and 2 2nds could get it done because we can absorb his contract. Then talks of trading Wes came up because that would leave us with a near max slot to sign someone else. I think we have to cap space to trade minimal contracts and absorb DJ's contract or if he opts out sign him to a sizeable contract. That's my understanding especially now that we have renounced a few of our qualifying offers.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2018, 10:32 PM

DLord is good with cap stuff. It's the fish shennanigans that are ridic. Feels like he rides the coattails of more informed people.

thewizard · 06-28-2018, 10:33 PM

New article from Sefko:

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...ot-come-dallas

Interesting quote:

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If he becomes a free agent, then there will be another 24-hour holding pattern before the Mavericks can throw every penny they have under the salary cap at Jordan.

That would be the starting salary for a multiyear deal.

Do you guys think we'll give DAJ a 3 or 4 deal starting at roughly $25 million? The article leaves open the possibility of a trade but said we'd have to include Wes + future pick to do it.

Underdog · 06-28-2018, 10:35 PM

@TheSteinLine: The Clippers are resistant to taking Wes Matthews back in a trade for DeAndre Jordan, league sources say, which means Dallas must either present an alternative trade scenario L.A. accepts or try to sign Jordan in free agency if he indeed declines next season's $24.1 million

sefant77 · 06-28-2018, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thewizard

Do you guys think we'll give DAJ a 3 or 4 deal starting at roughly $25 million? The article leaves open the possibility of a trade but said we'd have to include Wes + future pick to do it.

Jordan would never get such money in this FA because his market would be thin.

Teams with 15+m cap:
Sixers: Embiid
Pacers: Miles
Jazz: Gobert
Suns: Ayton
Bulls: Carter
Kings: WCS and other priorities
Lakers

So the market is pretty much us and the Lakers. If the lakers go the Lebron/George and/or Kawhi road, there is no cap for Jordan. And Jordan has to fear that Lakers or Mavs prefer Cousins. Or that the Lakers prefer to keep Randle.

Thats why he is going to opt in. Way too risky to give up 24m and then risk just to get a lowball offer. Make him opt-in and push for the Wes-Trade. Clippers dont want him there anymore and Jordan dont want to opt out with basically two teams having cap and a need at center.

If he opts out, then offer him like 4/60 and tell him good luck to find a better deal....

thewizard · 06-28-2018, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Jordan would never get such money in this FA because his market would be thin.

Teams with 15+m cap:
Sixers: Embiid
Pacers: Miles
Jazz: Gobert
Suns: Ayton
Bulls: Carter
Kings: WCS and other priorities
Lakers

So the market is pretty much us and the Lakers. If the lakers go the Lebron/George and/or Kawhi road, there is no cap for Jordan. And Jordan has to fear that Lakers or Mavs prefer Cousins. Or that the Lakers prefer to keep Randle.

Thats why he is going to opt in. Way too risky to give up 24m and then risk just to get a lowball offer. Make him opt-in and push for the Wes-Trade. Clippers dont want him there anymore and Jordan dont want to opt out with basically two teams having cap and a need at center.

If he opts out, then offer him like 4/60 and tell him good luck to find a better deal....

So Sefko is just flat out wrong that we'd clear as much cap space as possible and give it all to him on July 1st? From what I understand, minus McDermott and Mejri's QAs we have roughly 25m in space. Sefko says that would be the starting salary.

sefant77 · 06-28-2018, 10:56 PM

Guess Sefko thinks we would promise Jordan his old salary when he opts out. What i think is a wrong conclusion. They are not offerering him like 4/100 with pretty much no one else interesting...

The Mavs clearly wanna do the Jordan-Wes switch and then throw 19-20m at another younger piece like Jabari/Gordon etc to complete the S5 with Jordan as oldest piece. And then maybe get Wes back next summer with the MLE

thewizard · 06-28-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Guess Sefko thinks we would promise Jordan his old salary when he opts out. What i think is a wrong conclusion. They are not offerering him like 4/100 with pretty much no one else interesting...

The Mavs clearly wanna do the Jordan-Wes switch and then throw 19-20m at another younger piece like Jabari/Gordon etc to complete the S5 with Jordan as oldest piece. And then maybe get Wes back next summer with the MLE

Agreed that's definitely what we want to do; seems like the ideal scenario. Just gotta hope we can agree on a trade. Stein is saying that the Clippers don't want Wes and I don't see them taking Powell and his extra year. I don't think there is any other way to make a trade before July 1st without one of those two.

So if we can't agree on a deal then the only other option is free agency. Maybe DAJ would accept 3/60 or 4/80? This dude wants his money, I don't see him accepting less than 20m a season. If we can't agree on a trade and refuse to pay him what he thinks he's worth, what then?

Me.B · 06-28-2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thewizard

New article from Sefko:

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...ot-come-dallas

Interesting quote:

Do you guys think we'll give DAJ a 3 or 4 deal starting at roughly $25 million? The article leaves open the possibility of a trade but said we'd have to include Wes + future pick to do it.

Absolutely not. The Mavs will not offer a contract that will cut in to their 2021 cap. They have plans to lure Giannis to Dallas.

tap2390 · 06-28-2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Guess Sefko thinks we would promise Jordan his old salary when he opts out. What i think is a wrong conclusion. They are not offerering him like 4/100 with pretty much no one else interesting...

The Mavs clearly wanna do the Jordan-Wes switch and then throw 19-20m at another younger piece like Jabari/Gordon etc to complete the S5 with Jordan as oldest piece. And then maybe get Wes back next summer with the MLE

Don't want Jabari. Wouldn't bother with Gordon. If Wes is gone, we better sign KCP quick.

Me.B · 06-28-2018, 11:20 PM

If Deandre opts out I honestly would not be surprised if he takes less money to sign with Houston (even as a backup to Capela). He would get to play in his hometown and have a legit shot at a title. Especially when he finds out he’s. It going to make anywhere near the $24 mil a year he has been making.

So don’t be pissed if he spurns the Mavs again, I sure won’t.

Me.B · 06-28-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Don't want Jabari. Wouldn't bother with Gordon. If Wes is gone, we better sign KCP quick.

I honestly think Rodney Hood might be a better cheaper option.

sefant77 · 06-28-2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thewizard

So if we can't agree on a deal then the only other option is free agency. Maybe DAJ would accept 3/60 or 4/80? This dude wants his money, I don't see him accepting less than 20m a season. If we can't agree on a trade and refuse to pay him what he thinks he's worth, what then?

No, the other Option is Jordan opting in without an agreed trade and force then a trade...

sefant77 · 06-28-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Me.B

If Deandre opts out I honestly would not be surprised if he takes less money to sign with Houston (even as a backup to Capela). He would get to play in his hometown and have a legit shot at a title. Especially when he finds out he’s. It going to make anywhere near the $24 mil a year he has been making.

So don’t be pissed if he spurns the Mavs again, I sure won’t.

Rockets are way over the cap, Jordan is not taking the tax exception to be Capelas Backup...