LAD - Life After Deron

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I think UD and others are under the assumption that things are so bad in Dallas that Dirk would agree to (push for?) a trade.

Yes, this.

Except it should be "would be so bad," not "are so bad" - we're on the brink, but not over the edge... Yet.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Punt or shift and take a chance on a PG

I think the problem with punting is that we've won a championship recently. That will not be good enough. We've raised our expectations in this city recently for both our basketball and baseball teams.

I mean, last year sucked for the Mavs, but you could at least get a bit excited about the team because NOBODY knew the shit storm that Odom was bringing to town. We all expected him to actually play basketball.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I think UD and others are under the assumption that things are so bad in Dallas that Dirk would agree to (push for?) a trade.

Just making sure. I personally think there's no way Dallas would shop Dirk unless Dirk asked them to, and don't think it at all likely that Dirk will ask them to.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Just making sure. I personally think there's no way Dallas would shop Dirk unless Dirk asked them to, and don't think it at all likely that Dirk will ask them to.

I tend to agree. That could be a bad thing, though, since it might end up being the best plan for everyone involved. If they go full tank mode, it would be easier to tank without Dirk and easier for Dirk to win without the Mavs.*


* - Free agency depression or "FAD" seems to cause symptoms similar to overindulgence of alcohol, since I don't think my mind in a positive state would think such things.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Underdog

No, Dragic should be the first of several pieces to give Dirk a CHANCE to win a ring in a Dallas uniform... But if you can't get a decent PG before his contract is up, then why bother?

Brooklyn just re-signed their big free agent, who had far less history with their team than Dirk does with Dallas, in spite of the fact that they arguably didn't have a single decent player under contract when free agent negotiations started.

[Bayliss]

Sefko: Jason Kidd's impending return finally gives Mavs something to cheer about
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EDDIE SEFKO Staff writer esefko@dallasnews.com
Published: 04 July 2012 10:52 PM

Finally, the Mavericks had something to feel good about Wednesday.
After the bleak Tuesday that saw the departure of Jason Terry and the loss of free-agent target Deron Williams, the Mavericks were finishing details on a multiyear contract for point guard Jason Kidd.

Assuming no snags before deals can be signed next Wednesday, their floor general for their championship in 2011 will finish his career with the Mavericks.

Two sources close to the situation said the deal was virtually done and that Kidd’s 19th NBA season, which will take him past his 40th birthday, will be spent with the Mavericks. The deal also will not compromise the Mavericks’ ability to chase marquee free agents next summer.
The Mavericks were scrambling for capable point-guard help after Williams elected to stay with the Brooklyn Nets. There was speculation that Kidd and Williams would be a package deal. However, after Williams stayed with the Nets, that situation changed.

Kidd just finished a three-year contract with the Mavericks that paid him $25 million. He likely will take a pay cut from that, but perhaps not a substantial one, if the Mavericks can convince Kidd to take a one-year deal or perhaps a two-year contract with a buyout or team option for the second season.

Kidd has made it clear that he hopes to take on a different role as he prepares for the final years of his career. His playing time dipped from 36 minutes a game three seasons ago to 28.7 minutes last year. That number will drop again, most likely.
He is hoping to become a 25-minute player with the emphasis on closing games, not starting them.
The thinking in the organization could be that a tandem of Kidd and Delonte West running the point would provide solid play at a cost that is much more palatable than throwing huge long-term money at somebody like Houston free agent Goran Dragic, or paying another graybeard, Steve Nash, more than $10 million for each of the next two seasons.

That option was lost Wednesday night when news broke that Nash will be signed, then traded, by the Phoenix Suns to the Los Angeles Lakers, which will surely put Kobe Bryant and Co. in a better position to compete next season. The Mavericks had Nash on their radar, but were not going to make an offer that competed with the money ($36 million) or years (three) that Toronto was offering.
It is believed that the Lakers also will pay Nash for three years at about $8.5 million per.
For the Mavericks to go all-in on a contract of that ilk would hamstring any attempt to acquire a superstar free agent next season.

Assuming they can finalize Kidd’s deal, and work out a contract with West, who could be in line to start next season, that will free up the Mavericks to address other holes on the roster. In particular, they have a need at shooting guard, where several free agents may be available on one-year contracts or for bargain-basement salaries, or both.

Meanwhile, Ian Mahinmi continues to weigh his options as numerous teams show varying levels of interest in the Mavericks’ backup center, who blossomed into a solid contributor during his two seasons with them.

A source said earlier in the week that if the Mavericks were able to sign Williams to a maximum contract, it probably would preclude any chance of re-signing Mahinmi.
With Williams out of the picture, that could reopen the chance that the Mavericks could keep Mahinmi, although it would be a challenge for them to find a way to offer as much money as some other teams are offering.

Mahinmi is believed to be seeking a team’s mid-level exception, worth about $5 million.
With Kidd set to return, the Mavericks still have four key members from their championship team of 2011: Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood and Kidd.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Brooklyn just re-signed their big free agent, who had far less history with their team than Dirk does with Dallas, in spite of the fact that they arguably didn't have a single decent player under contract when free agent negotiations started.

But we're Dallas.

[rabbitproof]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Sorry, I don't know how to react anymore.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Unfortunately I don't see many other decent options. Delonte?, roddy?

Dragic @ 9-10m. Wire it over to him and get him here. If we don't get either Lin or Dragic, someone is gonna get a nasty Email!!!!

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Sefko: Jason Kidd's impending return finally gives Mavs something to cheer about

Headlines like this are why Sefko is one of the best in the business...

[rabbitproof]

This thread is essentially the 2013 offseason thread, right?

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

And, shortly after, they brought Dallas it's first championship. I don't think letting Chandler go (when he would have been the 2nd highest paid Mav next to Dirk for the rest of his career) for a 50/50 shot at getting Deron Williams is a sign that Cuban "doesn't care" or is "scared".

Let's not pretend like Dirk has been cheated or that the MBT has taken advantage of him.

I didn't think it was a bad idea when they let Chandler walk. I didn't think it was a bad idea when they decided to let JET walk. But their lack of activity this year is not acceptable. Period. It's also not about Dirk being cheated, its about being good to your word and utilizing the one asset you have. Dirk Nowitzki is an amazing commodity and the FO is squandering it. That's a bad business decision because they are unlikely to ever get another Nowitzki. I have had a very high opinion of Cuban. So high that I believe he should be able to come up with a creative plan to get the most out of the remaining Dirk years. But right now he doesn't seem to have a contingency plan and/or is scared to take a chance. That's how I see it.

And offering Steve Nash a one year contract is an absolute embarrassment. Its an insult to a Hall of Fame player who is still playing at a high level. It makes Cuban and Donnie look like amateurs. The MBT is screwing up right now. After pulling off some amazing deals in the past few years they are now making some mistakes imo. Perhaps their heads are getting too big. Someone needs to slap them back to reality.

[Bayliss]

Rabbitproof... sure why not?

[fluid.forty.one]

"Multi-year" deal for a guy who will be 40 this year. Yay.

Great news for the long run though... This might help cement Kidd staying with the organization after he's through playing.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I didn't think it was a bad idea when they let Chandler walk. I didn't think it was a bad idea when they decided to let JET walk. But their lack of activity this year is not acceptable. Period. It's also not about Dirk being cheated, its about being good to your word and utilizing the one asset you have. Dirk Nowitzki is an amazing commodity and the FO is squandering it. That's a bad business decision because they are unlikely to ever get another Nowitzki. I have had a very high opinion of Cuban. So high that I believe he should be able to come up with a creative plan to get the most out of the remaining Dirk years. But right now he doesn't seem to have a contingency plan and/or is scared to take a chance. That's how I see it.

And offering Steve Nash a one year contract is an absolute embarrassment. Its an insult to a Hall of Fame player who is still playing at a high level. It makes Cuban and Donnie look like amateurs. The MBT is screwing up right now. After pulling off some amazing deals in the past few years they are now making some mistakes imo. Perhaps their heads are getting too big. Someone needs to slap them back to reality.

You could be absolutely right, but I saw conflicting reports on exactly what the Mavs offered.

[He15man]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Sefko: Jason Kidd's impending return finally gives Mavs something to cheer about
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EDDIE SEFKO Staff writer esefko@dallasnews.com
Published: 04 July 2012 10:52 PM

Finally, the Mavericks had something to feel good about Wednesday.
After the bleak Tuesday that saw the departure of Jason Terry and the loss of free-agent target Deron Williams, the Mavericks were finishing details on a multiyear contract for point guard Jason Kidd.

Assuming no snags before deals can be signed next Wednesday, their floor general for their championship in 2011 will finish his career with the Mavericks.

Two sources close to the situation said the deal was virtually done and that Kidd’s 19th NBA season, which will take him past his 40th birthday, will be spent with the Mavericks. The deal also will not compromise the Mavericks’ ability to chase marquee free agents next summer.
The Mavericks were scrambling for capable point-guard help after Williams elected to stay with the Brooklyn Nets. There was speculation that Kidd and Williams would be a package deal. However, after Williams stayed with the Nets, that situation changed.

Kidd just finished a three-year contract with the Mavericks that paid him $25 million. He likely will take a pay cut from that, but perhaps not a substantial one, if the Mavericks can convince Kidd to take a one-year deal or perhaps a two-year contract with a buyout or team option for the second season.

Kidd has made it clear that he hopes to take on a different role as he prepares for the final years of his career. His playing time dipped from 36 minutes a game three seasons ago to 28.7 minutes last year. That number will drop again, most likely.
He is hoping to become a 25-minute player with the emphasis on closing games, not starting them.
The thinking in the organization could be that a tandem of Kidd and Delonte West running the point would provide solid play at a cost that is much more palatable than throwing huge long-term money at somebody like Houston free agent Goran Dragic, or paying another graybeard, Steve Nash, more than $10 million for each of the next two seasons.

That option was lost Wednesday night when news broke that Nash will be signed, then traded, by the Phoenix Suns to the Los Angeles Lakers, which will surely put Kobe Bryant and Co. in a better position to compete next season. The Mavericks had Nash on their radar, but were not going to make an offer that competed with the money ($36 million) or years (three) that Toronto was offering.
It is believed that the Lakers also will pay Nash for three years at about $8.5 million per.
For the Mavericks to go all-in on a contract of that ilk would hamstring any attempt to acquire a superstar free agent next season.

Assuming they can finalize Kidd’s deal, and work out a contract with West, who could be in line to start next season, that will free up the Mavericks to address other holes on the roster. In particular, they have a need at shooting guard, where several free agents may be available on one-year contracts or for bargain-basement salaries, or both.

Meanwhile, Ian Mahinmi continues to weigh his options as numerous teams show varying levels of interest in the Mavericks’ backup center, who blossomed into a solid contributor during his two seasons with them.

A source said earlier in the week that if the Mavericks were able to sign Williams to a maximum contract, it probably would preclude any chance of re-signing Mahinmi.
With Williams out of the picture, that could reopen the chance that the Mavericks could keep Mahinmi, although it would be a challenge for them to find a way to offer as much money as some other teams are offering.

Mahinmi is believed to be seeking a team’s mid-level exception, worth about $5 million.
With Kidd set to return, the Mavericks still have four key members from their championship team of 2011: Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood and Kidd.

Great article, i liked the part where he mentioned that missing out on Deron Williams gives us a better chance to re-sign Ian Mahimi

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Headlines like this are why Sefko is one of the best in the business...

Seriously, I lol'd. That title has to be sarcastic - he knows how down we are. He might as well said "Maverick fans celebrate sharing old bologna sandwich after burning multiple steaks."

[Mavsfan2thedeath]

Well, guess this means we're not going for a younger PG this offseason. Yay to more 1 year contracts for players nobody else really wants. I'm gonna be sick.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Sefko: Jason Kidd's impending return finally gives Mavs something to cheer about
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EDDIE SEFKO Staff writer esefko@dallasnews.com
Published: 04 July 2012 10:52 PM

Finally, the Mavericks had something to feel good about Wednesday.
After the bleak Tuesday that saw the departure of Jason Terry and the loss of free-agent target Deron Williams, the Mavericks were finishing details on a multiyear contract for point guard Jason Kidd.

Assuming no snags before deals can be signed next Wednesday, their floor general for their championship in 2011 will finish his career with the Mavericks.

Two sources close to the situation said the deal was virtually done and that Kidd’s 19th NBA season, which will take him past his 40th birthday, will be spent with the Mavericks. The deal also will not compromise the Mavericks’ ability to chase marquee free agents next summer.
The Mavericks were scrambling for capable point-guard help after Williams elected to stay with the Brooklyn Nets. There was speculation that Kidd and Williams would be a package deal. However, after Williams stayed with the Nets, that situation changed.

Kidd just finished a three-year contract with the Mavericks that paid him $25 million. He likely will take a pay cut from that, but perhaps not a substantial one, if the Mavericks can convince Kidd to take a one-year deal or perhaps a two-year contract with a buyout or team option for the second season.

Kidd has made it clear that he hopes to take on a different role as he prepares for the final years of his career. His playing time dipped from 36 minutes a game three seasons ago to 28.7 minutes last year. That number will drop again, most likely.
He is hoping to become a 25-minute player with the emphasis on closing games, not starting them.
The thinking in the organization could be that a tandem of Kidd and Delonte West running the point would provide solid play at a cost that is much more palatable than throwing huge long-term money at somebody like Houston free agent Goran Dragic, or paying another graybeard, Steve Nash, more than $10 million for each of the next two seasons.

That option was lost Wednesday night when news broke that Nash will be signed, then traded, by the Phoenix Suns to the Los Angeles Lakers, which will surely put Kobe Bryant and Co. in a better position to compete next season. The Mavericks had Nash on their radar, but were not going to make an offer that competed with the money ($36 million) or years (three) that Toronto was offering.
It is believed that the Lakers also will pay Nash for three years at about $8.5 million per.
For the Mavericks to go all-in on a contract of that ilk would hamstring any attempt to acquire a superstar free agent next season.

Assuming they can finalize Kidd’s deal, and work out a contract with West, who could be in line to start next season, that will free up the Mavericks to address other holes on the roster. In particular, they have a need at shooting guard, where several free agents may be available on one-year contracts or for bargain-basement salaries, or both.

Meanwhile, Ian Mahinmi continues to weigh his options as numerous teams show varying levels of interest in the Mavericks’ backup center, who blossomed into a solid contributor during his two seasons with them.

A source said earlier in the week that if the Mavericks were able to sign Williams to a maximum contract, it probably would preclude any chance of re-signing Mahinmi.
With Williams out of the picture, that could reopen the chance that the Mavericks could keep Mahinmi, although it would be a challenge for them to find a way to offer as much money as some other teams are offering.

Mahinmi is believed to be seeking a team’s mid-level exception, worth about $5 million.
With Kidd set to return, the Mavericks still have four key members from their championship team of 2011: Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood and Kidd.

So we're basically rolling out the same team as last year but without Terry.

[Bayliss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayliss
Sefko: Jason Kidd's impending return finally gives Mavs something to cheer about
Headlines like this are why Sefko is one of the best in the business...

A PG that last year shot 36% from the field last year and will turn 40(!) when the season is over.

[Bayliss]

Okay, here's a better gif with this news...

[LonghornDub]

Yay.

Except not.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

A PG that last year shot 36% from the field last year and will turn 40(!) when the season is over.

Your response made me almost spit out my drink. LOL

[NewMexiMav]

Originally Posted by He15man

Great article, i liked the part where he mentioned that missing out on Deron Williams gives us a better chance to re-sign Ian Mahimi

I also really enjoyed Sefko reassurance to us that JKidd's new contract will not compromise the Mavs' ability to pursue "marquee free agents" next offseason! Oh yippee!!!!!!!

[Mavsfan2thedeath]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Your response made me almost spit out my drink. LOL

Yep. Gotta love it when the age of the player we're supposed to be excited about is higher than his shooting percentage....

[Mavsfan2thedeath]

MBT really have to be morons. Seriously....the only thing different about our (in)ability to draw free agents next offseason as compared to this one is that Dirk will be a year older. If nobody wanted to sign with us this offseason, nobody will want to next offseason either! This isn't rocket science...

[He15man]

Man i don't know about you guys, but i need a drink.

[CanadianMavsFan]

Sign Courtney Lee and a backup for Dirk (Speights?) and pray for Dwight next year I suppose. Dallas with a healthy and rested Dirk in an 82 game season is still good enough for an 8 seed, maybe higher if Roddy develops any further (I won't hold my breath).

Ideally at this point:

PG: Kidd/West/Roddy
SG: Lee/Roddy/Cunningham
SF: Marion/Crowder
PF: Dirk/Speights/Wright
C: Haywood/Mahimni/Wright

Not actually that dreadful, although light years from a contender by any stretch.

[He15man]

Originally Posted by Mavsfan2thedeath

Yep. Gotta love it when the age of the player we're supposed to be excited about is higher than his shooting percentage....

That statement just made my night

[Mavsfan2thedeath]

As much as it pains me to say this, I hope the dissatisfaction in the fanbase shows up in ticket sales next season. Might be the only way to get this hard-headed, moronic front office to change course.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Sooooo let me get this straight. If the Mavs don't think a player is worth superstar money then they are just going to offer a one year contract? Just not seeing if that really is going to work.

[MavsFTR]

Can't wait to hear Cuban say this team is better than last year's again.

[walter]

Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

Sign Courtney Lee and a backup for Dirk (Speights?) and pray for Dwight next year I suppose. Dallas with a healthy and rested Dirk in an 82 game season is still good enough for an 8 seed, maybe higher if Roddy develops any further (I won't hold my breath).

Ideally at this point:

PG: Kidd/West/Roddy
SG: Lee/Roddy/Cunningham
SF: Marion/Crowder
PF: Dirk/Speights/Wright
C: Haywood/Mahimni/Wright

Not actually that dreadful, although light years from a contender by any stretch.

That team is going to have MAJOR problems scoring next year. We need someone that can put the ball in the basket now that Terry is gone.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Keeping Kidd? Well then the Mavs better also keep Delonte West who IMO had the better season last year.

[ddh33]

I am sure it's just a case of me trying to make myself feel better, but I have to believe that the Mavs had contingencies just in case Deron didn't sign with them - no matter how confident they might have been.

Steve Nash, I don't believe was very high on their list of alternative plans. When we sit back and try to keep emotion out of it, which is very hard, I can't imagine the Mavs paying a player NOW when they didn't pay him 8 years ago. On top of all of that, there was the Duffy factor too. I just don't know if Nash was ever anything more than a hope and prayer that they weren't seriously planning on.

I do think Kidd was always a big part of the plan. I think they wanted him back no matter what. It sounds like that will get done.

I am interested to see what else they are able to put on this team though. The free agent market didn't have many difference makers to begin with, in my opinion, and most of them are off the market. I think there are still a bunch of parts and pieces that could help, but I don't see game changers...And I think the Mavs need game changers.

I have to believe that the trade market is going to be the best bet. More specifically, I have to believe they are going to be looking at players with 1 or 2 year contracts that allow them to maintain flexibility and still be competitive. So put on your thinking caps.

[He15man]

Somebody needs to photoshop this guy into a Mavs uniform.

[purplefrog]

If the only plan left for the Mavs is to look for players who are willing to sign one year contracts then the MBT should try to sign a cadre of shooters. It will be difficult to watch a team that starts Kidd, Matrix, and Haywood again. They should go after Novak and Belinelli. At least they would be entertaining.

[Mavsfan2thedeath]

Originally Posted by ddh33

I am sure it's just a case of me trying to make myself feel better, but I have to believe that the Mavs had contingencies just in case Deron didn't sign with them - no matter how confident they might have been.

Steve Nash, I don't believe was very high on their list of alternative plans. When we sit back and try to keep emotion out of it, which is very hard, I can't imagine the Mavs paying a player NOW when they didn't pay him 8 years ago. On top of all of that, there was the Duffy factor too. I just don't know if Nash was ever anything more than a hope and prayer that they weren't seriously planning on.

I do think Kidd was always a big part of the plan. I think they wanted him back no matter what. It sounds like that will get done.

I am interested to see what else they are able to put on this team though. The free agent market didn't have many difference makers to begin with, in my opinion, and most of them are off the market. I think there are still a bunch of parts and pieces that could help, but I don't see game changers...And I think the Mavs need game changers.

I have to believe that the trade market is going to be the best bet. More specifically, I have to believe they are going to be looking at players with 1 or 2 year contracts that allow them to maintain flexibility and still be competitive. So put on your thinking caps.

Well that would be a worthy exercise, except for the fact that we don't have anything anyone else wants! And I swear if I hear one more mention of that trade exception....

[He15man]

At the rate this is going, if Dirk gets injured this season we're going to end up with a worse record than the bobcats.

[He15man]

Originally Posted by ddh33

I am sure it's just a case of me trying to make myself feel better, but I have to believe that the Mavs had contingencies just in case Deron didn't sign with them - no matter how confident they might have been.

Steve Nash, I don't believe was very high on their list of alternative plans. When we sit back and try to keep emotion out of it, which is very hard, I can't imagine the Mavs paying a player NOW when they didn't pay him 8 years ago. On top of all of that, there was the Duffy factor too. I just don't know if Nash was ever anything more than a hope and prayer that they weren't seriously planning on.

I do think Kidd was always a big part of the plan. I think they wanted him back no matter what. It sounds like that will get done.

I am interested to see what else they are able to put on this team though. The free agent market didn't have many difference makers to begin with, in my opinion, and most of them are off the market. I think there are still a bunch of parts and pieces that could help, but I don't see game changers...And I think the Mavs need game changers.

I have to believe that the trade market is going to be the best bet. More specifically, I have to believe they are going to be looking at players with 1 or 2 year contracts that allow them to maintain flexibility and still be competitive. So put on your thinking caps.

Maybe we can get a trade exception involved