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yahyes · 06-26-2016, 12:22 PM

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One glance at these comparisons is all I need to swear off Rubio forever -- dude is trash, no matter what the price... That 37.4% FG would send Dirk straight into retirement.

He doesn't have it to be a starter in this league. Minnesota scouted an overrated international player.

yahyes · 06-26-2016, 12:24 PM

So the knicks are interested in Noah too. How the hell could they afford Parsons, Melo, Rose, and Noah? Not to mention the potential bigger contract with Prizongas guy.

spreedom · 06-26-2016, 01:08 PM

LOL.... Rubio went from being pretty overrated as a prospect to bring really underrated as a veteran. I'd take him over any other available PG, that's for sure. Wolves were 8ppg better with him per 100 possessions. He's an elite point guard.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-26-2016, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I really thought this would be the year of continuity. Forgetting money, I thought the Mavs would say you know what, FA is a shitshow, lets bring back as many of our own as possible and swing for one big FA (Whiteside or Howard).

At least you have a pitch to FA if you bring everyone back.

There is no continuity when the team struggled in most categories and dealt with a myriad of injuries. The injuries especially made any sort of team gelling impossible. That's why I complained about it after the season ended and got flamed for it.

tap2390 · 06-26-2016, 01:40 PM

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Funny. People always want a total revamp of the roster "for Dirk" and yet they also complain about lack of continuity. Maybe the two are related.

Yes we want continuity, but we want it with pieces that actually fit. Parsons is a poor rebounding 4 who wants to be overpaid. He doesn't fit (which I think most would agree). Wes has a great attitude but is a very poor rebounder and coming off a major injury. He's a complimentary piece, not a cornerstone. Obviously if we pulled off the Deandre move having both Parsons and Wes would make a lot more sense. Once again if we're looking at losing out on all Whiteside/ Conley/ Parsons what is the point of retaining a 30 year old Wes? In the hopes that 2017 we land a starting point and center that'll suit our strengths/ weaknesses?

Edit: FWIW I too think Wes for Rubio would be lateral at best, but my point still stands. Wes isn't a cornerstone and there's no point having him on the roster if we're not looking at a team that will be competing in May.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-26-2016, 02:07 PM

Wesley Matthews played 63% of his mavs minutes this season at the 3.
Dwill played 63% of his Mavs minutes this season at the 2.

Personally I'm hoping that only 1 pg is on the floor at any given time. I'm also hoping that Simba + whoever else we sign at the wing cuts wes's time at the 3 at least by half of that absurd number. Our top 3 bench players in terms of minutes were Felton, JJ, and Harris. Injuries played their role but the roster was constructed in a way that we were going to have to play small even when healthy.

As far as Wes goes I think it's as simple as needing better talent around him. Due to injuries we were needing him to do something last year he shouldn't be doing... and that's playing the role of a #2 and sadly when it was really bad, a #1 scoring option. I am optimistic(take that EL!) that Wes would improve if we could somehow keep him primarily at the 2 and keep him as no more than a 3rd scoring option. Of course the problem with that is if we are talking pipe dream of Whiteside and Conley then neither of them are #1 or even #2 guys. Conley maybe could but by all accounts he is a pass first pg, which itself will help get Wes good looks but we do need some guys who can score.

rimrocker · 06-26-2016, 04:15 PM

It seems if we can just sign Whiteside and resign Parsons and Williams then we maintain continuity and still improve over last season. If Whiteside gets virtually squeezed out of Miami, and Cuban is able to convince him, I don't see much difference in that situation than signing DJ last season.

I'm holding out hope thinking Cuban can entice Whiteside and I don't really care how much we pay Parsons if Whiteside is committed because there won't be many better options.

If all healthy...
Williams/Barea
Matthews/Harris
Parsons/Anderson
Dirk/Powell/Evans
Whiteside/Mejri/Hammons/McGee
...isn't a bad situation.

yahyes · 06-26-2016, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

It seems if we can just sign Whiteside and resign Parsons and Williams then we maintain continuity and still improve over last season. If Whiteside gets virtually squeezed out of Miami, and Cuban is able to convince him, I don't see much difference in that situation than signing DJ last season.

I'm holding out hope thinking Cuban can entice Whiteside and I don't really care how much we pay Parsons if Whiteside is committed because there won't be many better options.

If all healthy...
Williams/Barea
Matthews/Harris
Parsons/Anderson
Dirk/Powell/Evans
Whiteside/Mejri/Hammons/McGee
...isn't a bad situation.

Replace McGee and Evans with Terry and Mirza Teletovic.

Underdog · 06-26-2016, 04:58 PM

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Replace McGee and Evans with Terry and Mirza Teletovic.

McGee and Evans are both under contract next season, so it's not that simple.

yahyes · 06-26-2016, 05:00 PM

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McGee and Evans are both under contract next season, so it's not that simple.

Trade for cash or some future draft pick. Any word about them since we drafted another center? This is depending on if Whiteside signs. It would be totally different if we get Howard instead. Cause then i'd want to keep McGee.

Underdog · 06-26-2016, 05:03 PM

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Trade for cash or some future draft pick. Any word about them since we drafted another center? This is depending on if Whiteside signs. It would be totally different if we get Howard instead. Cause then i'd want to keep McGee.

Dude, you can't talk about the 14/15th man on our roster when we still don't have a starting lineup... You're getting WAAAAY ahead of yourself.

yahyes · 06-26-2016, 05:08 PM

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Dude, you can't talk about the 14/15th man on our roster when we still don't have a starting lineup... You're getting WAAAAY ahead of yourself.

Right but the reasoning is to free up more cap space. I'd love it if we could have Terry be our 15th man.

Underdog · 06-26-2016, 05:14 PM

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Right but the reasoning is to free up more cap space. I'd love it if we could have Terry be our 15th man.

Why?

I'm not trying to be negative here, but it really seems like you're just throwing out names from a FA list to see what sticks...

yahyes · 06-26-2016, 05:48 PM

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Why?

I'm not trying to be negative here, but it really seems like you're just throwing out names from a FA list to see what sticks...

No I just have a list of players who I think could mesh right away. It's not like I'm trying hard to get Harrison Barnes though...

rimrocker · 06-26-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Replace McGee and Evans with Terry and Mirza Teletovic.

I agree we'd need to add another 3pt shooter to that roster but I'd give Jenkins another opportunity before bringing back a 39 yo JET.

But the main point is the core and bench...that team should be better than last season when you consider the continuity factor and adding an all-star caliber defensive beast in the paint.

hayth.james.g · 06-26-2016, 05:57 PM

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No I just have a list of players who I think could mesh right away. It's not like I'm trying hard to get Harrison Barnes though...

Yes Barnes go!

Bryan_Wilson · 06-26-2016, 05:57 PM

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I agree we'd need to add another 3pt shooter to that roster but I'd give Jenkins another opportunity before bringing back a 39 yo JET.

Wonder what Kings were wanting when they were calling people shopping Ben McLemore. Because I could be down for adding a former top 10 pick who is 23 yrs old and labeled as a bust. RC has done magic with guys like that.

Melonhead · 06-26-2016, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

It seems if we can just sign Whiteside and resign Parsons and Williams then we maintain continuity and still improve over last season. If Whiteside gets virtually squeezed out of Miami, and Cuban is able to convince him, I don't see much difference in that situation than signing DJ last season.

I'm holding out hope thinking Cuban can entice Whiteside and I don't really care how much we pay Parsons if Whiteside is committed because there won't be many better options.

If all healthy...
Williams/Barea
Matthews/Harris
Parsons/Anderson
Dirk/Powell/Evans
Whiteside/Mejri/Hammons/McGee
...isn't a bad situation.

Exactly how i feel.

rimrocker · 06-26-2016, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Wonder what Kings were wanting when they were calling people shopping Ben McLemore. Because I could be down for adding a former top 10 pick who is 23 yrs old and labeled as a bust. RC has done magic with guys like that.

I'm wondering if they would have any interest in Powell. Would love to add McLemore because I agree that Rick could probably work with him and he would be a decent fit in our system. Ben seems to be the type that would flourish more with veterans and a good play-making PG than with a rebuilding group of knuckleheads.

I'm sure they would want a future pick for him though. I'd consider giving up our 2017 pick in the right deal but only if we land Conley and/or Whiteside in free agency.

yahyes · 06-26-2016, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I agree we'd need to add another 3pt shooter to that roster but I'd give Jenkins another opportunity before bringing back a 39 yo JET.

But the main point is the core and bench...that team should be better than last season when you consider the continuity factor and adding an all-star caliber defensive beast in the paint.

Jenkins never even got added into a playoff team. I mean after he left Dallas, there wasn't much production he did outside of playing here. Terry is a better far end bench player if he played with Dallas one last time. If we need some scoring put in Terry. But this can be based on if Whiteside or Howard sign with Dallas.

EricaLubarsky · 06-26-2016, 10:01 PM

Can it be Friday already?

Melonhead · 06-26-2016, 10:39 PM

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Can it be Friday already?

This is definitely going to be an agonizing week with little bits of info leaked every day. And my mood swings directly affected by how quickly I can jerk my knee.

yahyes · 06-27-2016, 07:50 PM

Lance Stephenson is free. He could be a bargain to grab playing off the bench. Who knows how he would play in the Mavs system. What can make it more interesting is for Donnie to see if Conley would be up for that idea bringing in a teammate from last season. There was a time we wanted Stephenson too. But now he's still young and can play multiple positions. He just doesn't like being the first option to score. I bet Carlisle could try to work with him getting his coordination back.

EricaLubarsky · 06-27-2016, 07:57 PM

I wouldn't mind Stephenson for cheap. Certainly not 9 mill.

yahyes · 06-27-2016, 08:01 PM

He can easily replace Evans if Donnie somehow trades him. Or Felton if he leaves. I don't think price would matter that much if we have Whiteside and Conley especially.

tap2390 · 06-27-2016, 08:28 PM

Would love Lance Stephenson here on something like a 2/16 deal. He played extremely well for the Grizzlies last season.

yahyes · 06-27-2016, 08:52 PM

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Would love Lance Stephenson here on something like a 2/16 deal. He played extremely well for the Grizzlies last season.

He did well for knowing what his role is latter towards the season. If we can just get his defensive game back and inside slashing to score. It's intriguing.

Underdog · 06-27-2016, 08:59 PM

@Michael_Lark: Grizzles decline Lance Stephenson's $9.4M option per @ShamsCharania. Reportedly had agreement w/ Mavs back in '14 before they landed Parsons

Underdog · 06-28-2016, 02:11 PM

@CBSSportsNBA: Report: Heat, Raptors, Mavericks, Nets, Magic among Jamal Crawford’s suitors in free agency http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cl...n-free-agency/

yahyes · 06-28-2016, 02:18 PM

I was thinking about if they try to go after Crawford. He still has another season left in the tank to score off the bench. If we get Conley and Whiteside. I bet he'd jump on board no matter the price.

Melonhead · 06-28-2016, 02:29 PM

Regardless of what happens with Conley/Whiteside, based on previous dealings, I could see Lance in Dallas. He wouldnt be a bad backup plan for the right amount and as long as he's ready to work with Carlisle. EDIT: Assuming Parsons goes elsewhere

quietsavant · 06-28-2016, 02:47 PM

Very strong read from FO turned Writer Bobby Marks, even taking a guess at Free Agents eventual contracts..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-o...184619006.html

of parsons :

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(12) SF Chandler Parsons
Age: 27, Dallas
After missing consecutive postseasons with a right knee injury, Parsons’ price tag would be similar to Batum’s had he had stayed healthy.

Parsons should find the $16 million salary he opted out of in Dallas to be comparable to what he might get with Dallas or another team.

Melonhead · 06-28-2016, 05:32 PM

That link also has Howard to expect a 12-14m range. Feels a tad short.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2016, 05:43 PM

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That link also has Howard to expect a 12-14m range. Feels a tad short.

I am curious to see if all of these guys are getting max contracts as reported.

mac222b · 06-28-2016, 06:26 PM

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That link also has Howard to expect a 12-14m range. Feels a tad short.

Way short. Howard's not getting less than 20

Underdog · 06-29-2016, 10:21 AM

Dwight Howard grants Hawks, Celtics first free-agency meetings

Sounds like the Mavs still aren't in the mix...

Thebo · 06-29-2016, 12:28 PM

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Dwight Howard grants Hawks, Celtics first free-agency meetings

Sounds like the Mavs still aren't in the mix...

I guess it really does not matter either. Unless Howard gets max from Celtics or Hawks, he probably will wait for Whiteside to decide where he ends up. Hard to believe that Howard would accept not a max deal before Whiteside has made up his mind.

spreedom · 06-29-2016, 01:38 PM

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I guess it really does not matter either. Unless Howard gets max from Celtics or Hawks, he probably will wait for Whiteside to decide where he ends up. Hard to believe that Howard would accept not a max deal before Whiteside has made up his mind.

This is a really good call. Unless one of those two teams maxes out Dwight (which I strongly doubt, as Atlanta still probably has some designs on bringing Horford back, and Ainge doesn't really have a long record of overpaying older players), we should still be able to get a meeting with Dwight if we miss out on Whiteside.

spreedom · 06-29-2016, 01:46 PM

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Dwight Howard grants Hawks, Celtics first free-agency meetings

Sounds like the Mavs still aren't in the mix...

Boston Globe reporter Adam Himmelsbach:

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‏@AdamHimmelsbach
Regarding Dwight Howard, hearing that right now Celtics have no plans for aggressive pursuit. Will always listen to see if a price is right.

That's kind of the vibe I get from Atlanta too... they'd love to have him at the right kind of contract (maybe even less than $20M) but aren't looking to pay him $30M+. I still think he'll get an offer pretty close to that max, like $26M+ per year for at least 3 years, but I don't get the impression right now that there are 5-10 teams eyeing him at a max contract.

Though FWIW, I'd be okay with paying him his near-max if we lose out on Whiteside.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-29-2016, 01:56 PM

If Howard can be had at 20 mil, then you definitely consider that. Still don't think the FO wants him though.