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Mavericks Rockets Fan · 04-28-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

No but I didn't expect him to jack up a 3 everytime he touched it. Stupid, rookie play.

He is a 41% 3 pt shooter. It was garbage time in a blowout game. I had absolutely no problem with it. Of course there was that one game where he jacked up 11 threes. Not sure what happened then...

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-28-2010, 10:02 AM

Judging Roddy based on garbage time is as irrational as thinking he'll save the Mavericks this playoffs. I'm sure there can be a middle ground somewhere

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Mavericks Rockets Fan · 04-28-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Judging Roddy based on garbage time is as irrational as thinking he'll save the Mavericks this playoffs. I'm sure there can be a middle ground somewhere

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I don't think he is as useful against the Spurs as he would be against the Lakers. Fisher has always had trouble with 'water-bug' point guards and Roddy could give Dallas a big boost against them...

Dirkenstien · 04-28-2010, 10:48 AM

Last night Roddy was obviously settling for shots in trash time but I think in a more serious situation if you can get him to commit to driving every time it would put a lot of pressure on the opposing defense. As long as he can keep his dribble, he can pretty much get anywhere he wants when he has the ball.

dude1394 · 04-28-2010, 10:54 AM

Since he's such a great shooter he should take every shot when he's in there.

It's part of him showing (or not showing) his lack of maturity and solid decision making.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 04-28-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Since he's such a great shooter he should take every shot when he's in there.

It's part of him showing (or not showing) his lack of maturity and solid decision making.

Dude, it was garbage time. Even Damp shot and made a 3 against the Spurs in garbage time (it was the 3rd game against SA in the regular season - there was 5 s left in the game). Does it mean Damp is going to go around jacking up threes in a real game situation? NO! Garbage time is totally different...

Windmill360 · 04-28-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Judging Roddy based on garbage time is as irrational as thinking he'll save the Mavericks this playoffs. I'm sure there can be a middle ground somewhere

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jthig32 · 04-28-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Not sure I understand Damp getting zero minutes...but I like it.

Damp does plays tough on Duncan...but gives you ZERO offense and very little mobility on D. Haywood didn't play like superman tonight, but his feet and hands are quick, and most importantly, the Mavs aren't playing 4v5 on the offensive end.

The biggest key was Haywood defending the P&R well last night and staying active in the paint. Other than game 1 I haven't thought that Damp was playing all that well defensively, it was that Haywood was playing decidedly poorly defensively.

It was an interesting gamble last night to go with Haywood and it worked out brilliantly. Hope it happens again.

Flacolaco · 04-28-2010, 11:35 AM

Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong...but Damp was playing Duncan pretty well in game 1, then they put Haywood in for a little bit and Duncan killed him, right?

I'm just talking about game1.

Dirkenstien · 04-28-2010, 12:01 PM

We finally played Roddy last night and ended up winning by 22 points. Coincidence? I think not!

Seriously, though. While it is irrational to believe Roddy can save the series, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think he could provide a significant spark for this club on both ends of the floor. In playoff basketball where everything adds up and so much is dependant on momentum, a simple spark off the bench could mean the difference between a win and a loss.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-28-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

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Haha I see what you're seeing...I just mean that some people actually think that not playing Roddy will cost us the playoffs.

rabbitproof · 04-28-2010, 12:42 PM

I used to think Haywood and Dampier were equal players and maybe they are in the grand scheme of things. But Haywood is the better center for running and playing a 95+ppg pace and the Mavericks are better when they run and play at a faster pace.

I don't think it was solely due this but it was probably not coincidence that they rattled off 13 in a row with Haywood playing heavy minutes.

Dampier might be the better center for a team like Cleveland or even San Antonio but not for a team like Dallas. Short of Haywood laying massive eggs, I'll be disappointed if we start Damp again. His rope should be that of Marion's and Butler's IMO.

DirkFTW · 04-28-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

We finally played Roddy last night and ended up winning by 22 points. Coincidence? I think not!

Seriously, though. While it is irrational to believe Roddy can save the series, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think he could provide a significant spark for this club on both ends of the floor. In playoff basketball where everything adds up and so much is dependant on momentum, a simple spark off the bench could mean the difference between a win and a loss.

Ben and Skin this morning talked about this a little and one of them (can't remember which) said that he is now convinced that Roddy's pick-and-roll defense is pretty bad. Coupled with his observation that the Spurs like to run pick-and-rolls, it makes for a bad combination. (They also noted that Haywood's awesome play forced the Spurs into more of an iso offense, tying a nice bow around the point.)

Kidd Karma · 04-28-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I used to think Haywood and Dampier were equal players and maybe they are in the grand scheme of things. But Haywood is the better center for running and playing a 95+ppg pace and the Mavericks are better when they run and play at a faster pace.

I don't think it was solely due this but it was probably not coincidence that they rattled off 13 in a row with Haywood playing heavy minutes.

Dampier might be the better center for a team like Cleveland or even San Antonio but not for a team like Dallas. Short of Haywood laying massive eggs, I'll be disappointed if we start Damp again. His rope should be that of Marion's and Butler's IMO.

I think we have a pair that can put us on par at a breakneck pace or a snail slug pace. I think even against Cleveland you want to get up and down, get Shaq and Z off the court. Against a team like PHX, Damp may be better because we'll slow the pace down, they can't defend, so we can probably get buckets 4 on 5.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-28-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I think even against Cleveland you want to get up and down, get Shaq and Z off the court. Against a team like PHX, Damp may be better because we'll slow the pace down, they can't defend, so we can probably get buckets 4 on 5.

Phoenix ran Damp off the court in '06, which somewhat validates your first point but invalidates the second.

Kidd Karma · 04-28-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Phoenix ran Damp off the court in '06, which somewhat validates your first point but invalidates the second.

True, got to love those one dimensional ball players. Hmmm, present day, Nash-JRich-Hill-Amare-Lopez/Frye.....could probably have the same problem with this group, as Lopez can get up and down.

Five-ofan · 04-28-2010, 06:35 PM

I think in the haywood damp debate that haywoods best defensively is better than damps best defensively because haywood is more mobile, more athletic and longer. That said Damp is more steady and rarely has the eff ups that haywood will occassionaly have defensively.

Thomas86 · 04-28-2010, 06:56 PM

Start Haywood the next game.....last years playoffs RC put little JJ in the starting line up and the Mavs won in 5 so hopefully Haywood gets to start again.

Think about how Spurstalk would be if the Mavs take this series to a game 7 and win the entire series?.....I hope that happens.

mavErika · 04-29-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

The biggest key was Haywood defending the P&R well last night and staying active in the paint. Other than game 1 I haven't thought that Damp was playing all that well defensively, it was that Haywood was playing decidedly poorly defensively.

It was an interesting gamble last night to go with Haywood and it worked out brilliantly. Hope it happens again.

IMHO, this sums up the situation around our defensive center play really good. Haywood had trouble defending the P&R, but he seemed to have figured it out now, if the last game is any indication.

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong...but Damp was playing Duncan pretty well in game 1, then they put Haywood in for a little bit and Duncan killed him, right?

I'm just talking about game1.

If I remember it correctly, Duncan was very efficient against B-Wood, but part of that was just Timmah hitting some ridiculous shots. I could have confused that with another game though.