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Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Evan Fournier never made any sense for the Mavs. We trade assets for him and then what? We resign him, THJ, and JRich to long terms deal in the same offseason? That's not a championship roster.

Oladipo never made sense either. We trade for him just to watch him walk to Miami? It's no secret that is where he wants to be.

You know what does make sense? Trading next to nothing for a veteran three point specialist known to be a strong locker room presence.

What is the alternative though? Trading for Lyles and Reddick a championship roster?

At this point I'm trying to get as much playoff success as I can for Luka.

I just don't know what the plan is here if you don't trade for players aside from aged veterans who are one dimensional...Is the hope that someone would trade for KP and overtrade for him?

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I'm not advocating not trading Curry. Even with Richardson's struggles I'd still trade for him because he's a bigger body and can defend. I was well aware of his shooting woes at times in past locations and still wanted him.

I'm simply going against what you're saying that we needed a "sharpshooter". If we needed one why did we trade Curry?

Because we only need one because we traded for Curry. Do you seriously not understand this? When we traded Curry, we created a need, but filled a bigger one. So it was worth it. Now we've filled that other need too. So what's the problem?

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We didn't need one. There are shooters everywhere. Hell we have shooters on the roster right now who can't even get meaningful playing time.And Reddick will meet the same fate. He will come in and get about 15 minutes a game and get his 5 3 point attempts a game but in the scheme of things it means nothing.

We basically traded for guys who were going to get bought out anyway.

First of all, we absolutely do not have better shooters on the roster right now just sitting on the bench and not playing than JJ freaking Redick. Yes, his numbers are down this year, but JJ is one of the ALL-TIME 3 point specialists. We absolutely do need some more shooting, and I do think he makes the team better- at least marginally.

And if he doesn't make any difference, we gave up nothing for him, so what do you care??

Look, I feel your frustration over the Mavs not getting a real difference maker. And I feel your frustration about Fournier and Oladipo considering what Boston and Miami gave up. I'm meh on Oladipo, but I would take him for a bag of chips, and I would infinitely rather have Fournier than JJ Redick. But as you've admitted yourself, it's just weird that Orlando and Houston made those deals, and nobody else offered anything better. So, okay, you can be frustrated at the Mavs, but it is objectively unfair to single them out considering nobody else stepped up either.

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

You just quoted a post where I said verbatim "I don't regret the Richardson trade". This has nothing to do with Richardson. Mind you, Curry has been hurt but that's neither here nor there. I'm not for not trading for Richardson. What I'm saying is you are saying we "needed" a sharpshooter. So its a success. We need far more than that.

This isn't a worry for you guys now because I think everyone can't imagine Luka leaving Dallas because of how loyal Dirk was. But Luka is not going to sit around like Did did later on in his career and watch players get dealt and traded while we trade for guys like Trey Lyles and JJ Reddick.

Why are you even complaining then? We won the Richardson trade. We won the Redick trade.

You're literally whining that we didn't sign a two-way star last year with our -13million in cap space and you're complaining that we didn't make a better trade with the zero assets we had to give?

Jesus. I can't even handle your negativity.

Since you are convinced the Mavs are a lost cause and Luka is leaving, why not pick up another hobby?

saclare · 03-25-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Still waiting for someone to answer why Redick as opposed to Fournier

What do you think the Mavs logic was behind this trade deadline?

Because the same wasn't offered to the Mavs or the Mavs offer (if there was one) didn't beat Boston's. How do you know exactly which 2nd rounders they gave up and where those are projected to be? You understand Boston has a bevy of draft capital? Perhaps Orlando didn't even pick up the phone. So many things could have happened that you or we would not have information towards, but here you are talking out of your ass as if you were on every phone call.

Jesus, just show us your crystal ball already...

Murphy3 · 03-25-2021, 03:28 PM

I just hope Reddick can be what he was the majority of the rest of his career. Love the guy...

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

This doesn't make sense. The Mavs needed a guy like Richardson and could not have just "signed one." Not one better anyway. I don't remember who all was available for the MLE, but I'm pretty sure there was nobody who fit the Mavs immediate needs better than Richardson. The Mavs plainly won that deal. Like, it's not even close. It seemed otherwise early on when we were the worst 3pt shooting team and Richardson was floundering, but he has totally flipped the script and looks like exactly the versatile wingman we needed.

I don't think Donnie Nelson or anyone else is under the delusion that JJ Redick is going to be the difference between being a 7th seed and being a championship contender. He does fit a need though, so he does make the team a little better, and might make the difference between being a 7th seed and being a 6th or a 5th. Considering we gave up basically nothing for him, I'll take it.

This is the Mavs though. We make these deals just to satisfy this fanbase. But in reality these moves do absolutely nothing to get us to the ultimate goal. Year in and year out we have to fight to be a 7th or 8th seed.....

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why are you even complaining then? We won the Richardson trade. We won the Redick trade.

You're literally whining that we didn't sign a two-way star last year with our -13million in cap space and you're complaining that we didn't make a better trade with the zero assets we had to give?

Jesus. I can't even handle your negativity.

Since you are convinced the Mavs are a lost cause and Luka is leaving, why not pick up another hobby?

Because I don't care about winning trades of 3rd and 4th tier players. Great. Let's go trade for Javale McGee. A 2nd round pick that way so we can win a trade...or are we about winning trades about actual winning? Because winning these trades don't move the needle especially when they are low risk low reward deals.

And this is so silly. I enjoy watching the Mavs. I was here before Cuban was. I was born into this. Its not as easy as just quitting my fandom. Maybe it comes thats way for you but I was at reunion arena as a child and that continues to this date with my kids. I was here before Luka or before Dirk. I'm not a Luka fan I'm a MAVS fan.

Just because I'm not ok with the way this team is being ran doesn't mean I have to look for sunshine and daffodils.....I'm a NBA fan. I watch these other teams and how they are being ran. Sometimes if you get stuck in a box to just watching Mavs you get caught up not realizing what's going on around you. But the way the Mavs are running their organization is not smart and it hasn't been proven to be a winning formula. If they want to attempt to re-invent the wheel that's fine. They feel comfortable enough to do it because fans enable this behavior.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why are you even complaining then? We won the Richardson trade. We won the Redick trade.

You're literally whining that we didn't sign a two-way star last year with our -13million in cap space and you're complaining that we didn't make a better trade with the zero assets we had to give?

Jesus. I can't even handle your negativity.

Since you are convinced the Mavs are a lost cause and Luka is leaving, why not pick up another hobby?

Thank you. Like, I get the frustration in the context of Fournier and Oladipo getting such low offers. But I'm not getting this idea that this is a continuing of a long trend of Mavs not being aggressive with... TRADES of all things. The Mavs may suck at free agency. Maybe even drafting too. But the Mavs have historically not only won most of their trades, but they've been pretty damn aggressive too.

I'm frustrated that we didn't get Oladipo or Fournier when they were apparently available for peanuts. But 28 other teams didn't either.

And complaining that Donnie says "we love our team..." Honestly, do you actually expect or WANT him to say literally anything else????? Like, saying literally anything else only drives down the already incredibly limited value of your trade assets, on top of potentially alienating players and sabotaging the lockerroom.

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

This is the Mavs though. We make these deals just to satisfy this fanbase. But in reality these moves do absolutely nothing to get us to the ultimate goal. Year in and year out we have to fight to be a 7th or 8th seed.....

Do you even listen to yourself and hear how entitled you are?

Mavs have made the playoffs 16 of the last 20 years, which is literally best in the league. We ended our streak with Dirk, but even before Dirk retired, we'd already drafted Luka.

Most teams that lose a HOFer, go on to be trash for 10-20 years. We drafted our next star before Dirk even retired.

In Luka's first year, we had the Dirk farewell tour and missed the playoffs. In only his second year, we made the playoffs and stole two games against an excellent (and 2nd seeded) Clippers team.

If you subtract the time before Covid, the Mavs are winning 66.7% of their games this year-- which would be good for a 3rd seed in either conference.

Why are you even complaining? Hell, even if the Mavs were perpetual 8th seed, that's FREAKING HARD in the NBA. It's a blessing in the NBA to make the playoffs. Half of teams don't and we've somehow put together the most dominant streak of NBA playoff appearances in the last 20 years while neve once being the beneficiary of a superteam/friendly free agency.

Literally makes me sick to hear from people like you who think the Mavs making the playoffs is some sort of curse. It's a challenge, and it's a challenge I applaud. Most teams are like the Timberwolves, and when one star leaves, they are terrible for YEARS. You're complaining that we have some success, but not enough for you? I'm so sorry.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-25-2021, 03:34 PM

If Luka is leaving because we are making trades for Redick he's leaving for trades like Fournier. This isn't like free agency where everyone has an even shot at the players... 2 teams are required to make a trade. There could be plenty of factors why we didn't go after or get Fournier. But if Fournier was even half as good as all the posting going on today then he would have been traded for 1st's and not a pair of 2nds.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Thank you. Like, I get the frustration in the context of Fournier and Oladipo getting such low offers. But I'm not getting this idea that this is a continuing of a long trend of Mavs not being aggressive with... TRADES of all things. The Mavs may suck at free agency. Maybe even drafting too. But the Mavs have historically not only won most of their trades, but they've been pretty damn aggressive too.

I'm frustrated that we didn't get Oladipo or Fournier when they were apparently available for peanuts. But 28 other teams didn't either.

And complaining that Donnie says "we love our team..." Honestly, do you actually expect or WANT him to say literally anything else????? Like, saying literally anything else only drives down the already incredibly limited value of your trade assets, on top of potentially alienating players and sabotaging the lockerroom.

I don't get your stance though. So because 28 other teams didn't trade for them that makes it ok? Hell that can easily be justified. Half of the league sucks. A third of the league are satisfied with their rosters. And hell I guess you can add the Mavs to that third.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

This is the Mavs though. We make these deals just to satisfy this fanbase. But in reality these moves do absolutely nothing to get us to the ultimate goal. Year in and year out we have to fight to be a 7th or 8th seed.....

Actually, I think the fanbase as f*ck all to do with it, and for roughly a decade the MBT chased 7th and 8th seeds just out of loyalty to Dirk because they felt they owed it to him to stay competitive and couldn't bear to see him play anywhere else.

This is Luka's 3rd year. Chasing 7th and 8th seeds is normal at this stage. We traded for a guy that was supposed to be a potential superstar right after Luka's second season. That doesn't seem to fit the pattern you describe. What mega blockbuster deals for all-nba caliber players have been available since the KP trade that the Mavs passed up on because they love Jalen Brunson so much (apparently?)

Bryan_Wilson · 03-25-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I don't get your stance though. So because 28 other teams didn't trade for them that makes it ok? Hell that can easily be justified. Half of the league sucks. A third of the league are satisfied with their rosters. And hell I guess you can add the Mavs to that third.

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

i think Boston's trade exception made it so that Orlando didn't have to take back salary. That's a clear win for them and probably was what led them to deal with Boston. Let's stop raging about Evan friggin Fournier.

If that's the case then Boston offered 2 picks plus huge salary savings. Meaning it would have cost us a lot more than simply 2 2nds.

Edit- + rep to scoobay in the other thread.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Do you even listen to yourself and hear how entitled you are?

Mavs have made the playoffs 16 of the last 20 years, which is literally best in the league. We ended our streak with Dirk, but even before Dirk retired, we'd already drafted Luka.

Most teams that lose a HOFer, go on to be trash for 10-20 years. We drafted our next star before Dirk even retired.

In Luka's first year, we had the Dirk farewell tour and missed the playoffs. In only his second year, we made the playoffs and stole two games against an excellent (and 2nd seeded) Clippers team.

If you subtract the time before Covid, the Mavs are winning 66.7% of their games this year-- which would be good for a 3rd seed in either conference.

Why are you even complaining?

If wanting your team to make moves to be one of the better teams in the league is entitled then so be it. It would be one thing if we had DS JR here as one of our best players. But with Luka yes I do expect this organization to build around him with a formidable team. Sorry. If that's entitlement so be it. I've been called worse.

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

If wanting your team to make moves to be one of the better teams in the league is entitled then so be it. It would be one thing if we had DS JR here as one of our best players. But with Luka yes I do expect this organization to build around him with a formidable team. Sorry. If that's entitlement so be it. I've been called worse.

You literally want the impossible (trades we don't have assets for and signings we don't have the cap space for) and you come here to spread hate for the team if you don't get exactly what you want while playing the victim in all this. Oh boo hoo!

I think I could call you much worse than entitled, but I'm going to ignore you instead.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I don't get your stance though. So because 28 other teams didn't trade for them that makes it ok? Hell that can easily be justified. Half of the league sucks. A third of the league are satisfied with their rosters. And hell I guess you can add the Mavs to that third.

I didn't say it makes it ok. I say it makes it unfair to single out the Mavs. I know you're not seriously suggesting that of all the other playoff teams, not a single one could have benefitted from adding Fournier or Oladipo and losing nothing of major value.

You yourself admitted that it's weird and confusing that nobody offered more.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Actually, I think the fanbase as f*ck all to do with it, and for roughly a decade the MBT chased 7th and 8th seeds just out of loyalty to Dirk because they felt they owed it to him to stay competitive and couldn't bear to see him play anywhere else.

This is Luka's 3rd year. Chasing 7th and 8th seeds is normal at this stage. We traded for a guy that was supposed to be a potential superstar right after Luka's second season. That doesn't seem to fit the pattern you describe. What mega blockbuster deals for all-nba caliber players have been available since the KP trade that the Mavs passed up on because they love Jalen Brunson so much (apparently?)

I have no idea what has been available. Based on what the Mavs have done I'm guessing the only deals that are available are for the talent of JJ Redick and Trey Lyles.....

FreshJive · 03-25-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Still waiting for someone to answer why Redick as opposed to Fournier

What do you think the Mavs logic was behind this trade deadline?

Mavs reportedly talked to Orlando about Fournier, so obviously the Magic were more interested in the Celtics second rounders than the Mavs second rounders.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I didn't say it makes it ok. I say it makes it unfair to single out the Mavs. I know you're not seriously suggesting that of all the other playoff teams, not a single one could have benefitted from adding Fournier or Oladipo and losing nothing of major value.

You yourself admitted that it's weird and confusing that nobody offered more.

What I'm saying is that why would a team like the T-Wovles traded for Dipo? There are more T-Wolves type teams in this league than there are teams that could use Dipo. Clippers clearly don't need him. Blazers got McCollum, Jazz got Mitchell/Clarkson. Lakers seem to be in the market for point guards. How many teams fit the mold of the Mavs where they have a superstar like Luka and are fighting for a playoff spot? I'm just saying most teams in this league are either talented or they suck. That middle ground kind of where the Mavs are at isn't 28 teams.

saclare · 03-25-2021, 03:44 PM

I'm simply shocked there are multiple posters in here crying over Evan effing Fournier. What a time to be alive.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

If that's the case then Boston offered 2 picks plus huge salary savings. Meaning it would have cost us a lot more than simply 2 2nds.

Edit- + rep to scoobay in the other thread.

Oh man, I didn't even thing of the trade exception thing. It makes a LOT more sense now in that context.

So yeah, like Bryan says, we should probably stop whining about Fournier now.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Mavs reportedly talked to Orlando about Fournier, so obviously the Magic were more interested in the Celtics second rounders than the Mavs second rounders.

Which seems kind of weird...I get the Celtics have a bad record but they've had injuries all year. Then you add Fournier....with them being in the East I would think long term the Mavs 2nd rounders would be better.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I'm simply shocked there are multiple posters in here crying over Evan effing Fournier. What a time to be alive.

If you think that's what its about then you simply aren't paying attention.

Budapest Maverick · 03-25-2021, 03:48 PM

We simply have to accept that the 2021 FA season slowly but surely turned into absolute crap. We give THJ and J-Rich 1+1 contracts, and we try to max the current roster out. I still think we have a high ceiling, and if it doesn't work out, Luka will still only be 24-25 by the time KP is an expiring. It is what it is, our roster simply has a higher value/ceiling accounting for inside growth than they do on the trading market. It is what it is.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

If wanting your team to make moves to be one of the better teams in the league is entitled then so be it. It would be one thing if we had DS JR here as one of our best players. But with Luka yes I do expect this organization to build around him with a formidable team. Sorry. If that's entitlement so be it. I've been called worse.

At this point man i think it's pointless to even debate it on these forums.

I'm with you though I think the way the roster is being built right now since we can only go off right now it makes little sense to me.

I don't see any holes that were filled but hey like someone else said earlier maybe Redick at 37 years old reverts back to his former self (if that's possible)

I prefer bigger wing players over little players especially when it gets to the playoffs just gives your team a better chance with matchups.

Not expecting much from the Mavs in the playoffs.......

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You literally want the impossible (trades we don't have assets for and signings we don't have the cap space for) and you come here to spread hate for the team if you don't get exactly what you want while playing the victim in all this. Oh boo hoo!

I think I could call you much worse than entitled, but I'm going to ignore you instead.

Like I said if you want to generalize my comments into "hate" so be it. I could careless. But in this instance you are confusing accountability for hatred. I can still love my team as well as be frustrated with us fighting for a 7th seed. Its possible.

Feel free to ignore me. No sweat off my back actually. I've been on this site for nearly 20 years.....I've been ignored by plenty lol. Its ok.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

What I'm saying is that why would a team like the T-Wovles traded for Dipo? There are more T-Wolves type teams in this league than there are teams that could use Dipo. Clippers clearly don't need him. Blazers got McCollum, Jazz got Mitchell/Clarkson. Lakers seem to be in the market for point guards. How many teams fit the mold of the Mavs where they have a superstar like Luka and are fighting for a playoff spot? I'm just saying most teams in this league are either talented or they suck. That middle ground kind of where the Mavs are at isn't 28 teams.

It may not be 28, but it definitely isn't zero. I still think that most of the teams either in the playoffs or trying to get there could use Oladipo at least as much as the Mavs, which is to say... Maybe? Kinda? Like, a little, but not enough to give up anything of real value.

Again, I don't care much for Oladipo's game. ESPECIALLY when you consider he is virtually guaranteed to leave in the offseason anyway. It's fine if you disagree, but apparently a lot of NBA executives agree with me.

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

We simply have to accept that the 2021 FA season slowly but surely turned into absolute crap. We give THJ and J-Rich 1+1 contracts, and we try to max the current roster out. I still think we have a high ceiling.

2021 Free agency is not only looking crappier and crappier, but also...

1) Teams like the Mavs simply cannot expect stars through free agency. Most players re-sign with their current teams. Unless you are the Lakers (or strangely, the Nets), stars don't leave their current teams to join you unless they are looking for far more money and superstars are already max so there is no overpaying. Mavs are not the black sheep of the NBA-- 25-28 of the 30 teams are in the same boat. In fact, I can name on one hand superstars that changed teams via free agency that didn't do it to be a superteam (Wade/LeBron) or to be with friends.

2) Even if we let Redick, WCS, and THJ walk, we will have 93 million in commitments with a cap of probably 110, which means we at most will have 17mill. Young players can get 28. Vets can get 33-40mill. Most likely we get a decent deal for THJ, retain WCS, get Redick back on a vet deal and have 8-15 mill for a borderline starter.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Mavs reportedly talked to Orlando about Fournier, so obviously the Magic were more interested in the Celtics second rounders than the Mavs second rounders.

OK fair enough

I just didn't understand why they would pass on him and go for Redick instead who's much older and more of liability.

Also, not sure why people are calling Fournier and average dude. He's not a star but he does provide outside shooting and secondary ball handling skills which is what some complained about the Mavs lacked prior to the deadline right?

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 03:58 PM

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At this point man i think it's pointless to even debate it on these forums.

I'm with you though I think the way the roster is being built right now since we can only go off right now it makes little sense to me.

I don't see any holes that were filled but hey like someone else said earlier maybe Redick at 37 years old reverts back to his former self (if that's possible)

I prefer bigger wing players over little players especially when it gets to the playoffs just gives your team a better chance with matchups.

Not expecting much from the Mavs in the playoffs.......

I'm sort of confused by this site. If you disagree with the norm then you hate the team....the hell? Insane. Just because I'm pissed out how this team is being built doesn't mean I should turn my fandom in....Never been on a forum where you get attacked because of your opinion. Just wow.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Like I said if you want to generalize my comments into "hate" so be it. I could careless. But in this instance you are confusing accountability for hatred. I can still love my team as well as be frustrated with us fighting for a 7th seed. Its possible.

Feel free to ignore me. No sweat off my back actually. I've been on this site for nearly 20 years.....I've been ignored by plenty lol. Its ok.

FWIW, I don't think you're a hater at all. But I disagree with your assessment of the trade market and the Mavs' place in it. Especially when you seem to argue that this is a consistent pattern going back years and years of the Mavs overvaluing their own players and not being aggressive at the trade deadline. Again, historically the Mavs have been very aggressive with trades and win the majority of them too. Seriously, it's like, the one thing the Mavs are actually good at. It's pretty much the only thing I actually trust Donnie Nelson on- that, and evaluating European prospects.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 04:00 PM

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OK fair enough

I just didn't understand why they would pass on him and go for Redick instead who's much older and more of liability.

Also, not sure why people are calling Fournier and average dude. He's not a star but he does provide outside shooting and secondary ball handling skills which is what some complained about the Mavs lacked prior to the deadline right?

Yeah it seems its going to be tough to match that deal Celtics had even though it wasn't much of a deal but honestly hard to trade like that when you don't have a trade exception.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I'm sort of confused by this site. If you disagree with the norm then you hate the team....the hell? Insane. Just because I'm pissed out how this team is being built doesn't mean I should turn my fandom in....Never been on a forum where you get attacked because of your opinion. Just wow.

Yeah I get that all the time when I disagree with the moves they make.

I don't let it bother me because it's sports forum and everyone has their own opinions.

I try to respect everyone's opinion and if you notice I don't name call or tell them their stupid or haters if we disagree.

But unfortunately that's the world we live in and some people will revert those tactics or tell you to root for someone else even if been a fan far longer than them through good and bad times.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 04:02 PM

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OK fair enough

I just didn't understand why they would pass on him and go for Redick instead who's much older and more of liability.

Also, not sure why people are calling Fournier and average dude. He's not a star but he does provide outside shooting and secondary ball handling skills which is what some complained about the Mavs lacked prior to the deadline right?

I'm not sure they "passed" on Fournier, so much as maybe they couldn't reach a deal with the Magic. I don't know what the Magic might have asked for the Mavs, but the trade exception explains why Boston could afford a low-ball offer that the Mavs couldn't.

As for Redick- it's literally a zero-risk move. So what's the problem?

Bryan_Wilson · 03-25-2021, 04:02 PM

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OK fair enough

I just didn't understand why they would pass on him and go for Redick instead who's much older and more of liability.

Why do you say we passed on him? We couldn't beat that Celtics package.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Never been on a forum where you get attacked because of your opinion. Just wow.

Be honest dude, that's literally every forum on the entire internet. Every forum, every subreddit, ever comment thread... This place is far more civil than most.

We're all passionate, so we argue passionately.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

FWIW, I don't think you're a hater at all. But I disagree with your assessment of the trade market and the Mavs' place in it. Especially when you seem to argue that this is a consistent pattern going back years and years of the Mavs overvaluing their own players and not being aggressive at the trade deadline. Again, historically the Mavs have been very aggressive with trades and win the majority of them too. Seriously, it's like, the one thing the Mavs are actually good at. It's pretty much the only thing I actually trust Donnie Nelson on- that, and evaluating European prospects.

Trust I'm not a troll or none of that....I actually didn't think what I've been saying not his site could be seen as "whining". Sure I've been complaining but not trying to ruin anyones time here just kind of venting on what seems to be some patterns I seem to be seeing with this organization.

I was never really caught up in losing Fournier. That doesn't seem to be a realistic option if we are being truthful with ourselves since they did have the trade exception to deal so yeah it was still a very friendly deal for the Celtics.....but in order to get in on that I think you had to have that trade exception.

I don't deny their history with trades. I also understand that you aren't going to have a blockbuster deal at every time. Maybe my issue here is them trading for KP. I don't take it back but maybe that puts you in a hole. Which it was what I Was afraid of when we made the deal for him. You mortgage your future you better hope that player you do it for is the right guy or its going to be a tough uphill battle.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Be honest dude, that's literally every forum on the entire internet. Every forum, every subreddit, ever comment thread... This place is far more civil than most.

We're all passionate, so we argue passionately.

I mean as far as local stuff I stay away from reddit and stuff and yeah I've been attacked far worse on Twitter. I guess I just don't expect it on this site unless you are a clear troll and I've been here for some time so I've seen the trolls come and go.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Why do you say we passed on him? We couldn't beat that Celtics package.

I think he's saying he didn't understand why they passed on him earlier. I think the trade exception kind of puts some things in perspective that the Mavs really couldn't offer a better package.

tap2390 · 03-25-2021, 04:09 PM

I think Redick is a rotation guy for us. I also think he's going to be nothing short of deadly with the looks that Luka will be getting for him. We will need defense around him to make up for his lack of length/ age, but by the end of the season something like:

Luka
Redick
THJ / DFS
J-Rich / Kleber
Porzingis / WCS

might be our best lineup option(s).