Official offseason 2013-2014 thread

[JeffViggiano]

Good work CP3,of course this summer you will re-sign with the Los Angeles Losers...

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

Good work CP3,of course this summer you will re-sign with the Los Angeles Losers...

Maybe not - will CP3 stay with the Clips?

IF they fire the coach? He would have to go thru a "new" year of adjustments with the new coach.

There was a lot of dissension on the team with the professional immaturity of both Deandre and Blake G. They rebelled at CP pushing them - and Paul knows he would find a "like minded" warrior in Dirk. The pairing of CP and 41 would be a pick-n-roll nightmare matchup problem for opposing teams. CP has stated that he liked a great play that was drawn up by coach Carlisle late in the season (I can't find the quote right now).

I think he takes a hard look at Dallas. I do wonder if the bright lights of LA would keep him there. I bet if we could get his twin Cliff Paul to cosign the move to Dallas it might work ;-)

[DGM]

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

Maybe not - will CP3 stay with the Clips?

IF they fire the coach? He would have to go thru a "new" year of adjustments with the new coach.

There was a lot of dissension on the team with the professional immaturity of both Deandre and Blake G. They rebelled at CP pushing them - and Paul knows he would find a "like minded" warrior in Dirk. The pairing of CP and 41 would be a pick-n-roll nightmare matchup problem for opposing teams. CP has stated that he liked a great play that was drawn up by coach Carlisle late in the season (I can't find the quote right now).

I think he takes a hard look at Dallas. I do wonder if the bright lights of LA would keep him there. I bet if we could get his twin Cliff Paul to cosign the move to Dallas it might work ;-)

Who would you choose between CP3 and Howard if Mavs could have only one?

[BGMaverick9]

https://twitter.com/CP3/status/292503143349121024

He also likes the Cowboys.

That being said, if Phil Jackson is the replacement, it'd be somewhat silly NOT to go through a new year of adjustments.

[Ninkobei]

Somebody tell me there is enough money to sign Paul and Dwight if they both decided to come here. Can it be done?

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Somebody tell me there is enough money to sign Paul and Dwight if they both decided to come here. Can it be done?

Someone correct me if im wrong:
We have Dirk (22.7m), Marion (9.3), Carter (3.2m), Crowder (0.8) and Cunningham (1.2m) in the books. Add 4-5m locked salary for the empty roster spots.

We need to dump Marion to a team under the cap. Would cost us probably the lottery pick. But then we have around 30m in committed salary and around 28-30m free. Some more if we dump Carter too (should be doable after his nice season).

So if we are able to dump Marion we could offer Paul and Dwight around 15m starting. Build in an opting out clause after the third year so they are able to sign a new real max contract (or give them the option to leave Dallas after Dirk is "done").

What they have to give up:
They could sign with the Clippers/Lakers a five year 108m contract. (starting with 19.xM). Just Clippers/Lakers are able to offer a contract over five years with a 7.5% raise. Every other team could just offer four years with 4.5% raise.

So with leaving Clippers/Lakers they are losing allready the fifth guaranteed year (not the money, just the "injury security).

With signing with the Mavs they would additional lose each around 5m each year in the first three years (until they could opt out - pretty much like the Heat Big three situation in 2011).

So signing together with the Mavs would costs them directly around 15m each and the safety of having a guaranteed fifth year allready now in the contract. But they would regain some money with the missing income taxes in Texas (compared to california).

And i think both are in a stage of their career were happiness and winning are more important than the maximum numbers (specially for Paul).

[sefant77]

And i think Morey is planning exactly the same. He should be able to dump Asik with no problem but dumping Lin is more difficult. He showed that he is overrated and overpaid. Asik and Lin have two years with around 8.5M each year left but they have a poison pill contract. If a team trade for him their last contract year gonna count 15m against the team cap.

So probably the Rockets could offer Paul/Dwight some more money if they could dump Lin, Robinson, White etc but also not that much more than we. And Dirk instead of Harden is a much better fit for Paul/Dwight. They wont look at Dirks age compared to Harden, they will look where they can win within the next three years.

[sefant77]

One guy i would definatly trying to keep with Paul/Dwight is Morrow. Start him at SG and you have awesome floor spacing.

Paul/Calathes
Morrow/Carter
Crowder/Carter
Dirk/Wright
Dwight/Brand

Not bad

[Underdog]

Paul and Dwight may be stretching our budget a bit thin, but what about Paul and Bynum (assuming he doesn't get a max contract)?

Mmmm, pipe dreamin'...

[DisraeliGears]

I've mentioned it before but why couldn't we, instead of trading Marion, convince him to exercise his player option, then resign him to something like 3 years/18 mil after we would sign CP3 and Dwight to 15mil a year contracts? Cuban wouldn't mind paying Luxury Tax this year (we got under last year so no repeater plus Dirks contract off the books next year means we'd be over only 1 year) and Marion would take a slight paycut (3 mil) for a longer term contract and the chance to play on a championship competitive team (which he probably wouldn't be on if we were forced to trade him for CP3/Dwight move).

Of course this is all highly implausible considering the likelihood of Dwight/CP3, but then we'd keep our 1st rounder this year plus still have Marion for defense and boards.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by DisraeliGears

I've mentioned it before but why couldn't we, instead of trading Marion, convince him to exercise his player option, then resign him to something like 3 years/18 mil after we would sign CP3 and Dwight to 15mil a year contracts?

Because it'd be against the rules. The cap is not going to be more than 60 million, people, and there are cap holds associated with unfilled roster spots. You want to daydream about Dirk+CP+DH, far be it from me to tell you to stop, but there is zero chance that Marion is with the team next year in that scenario.

[oilfieldtrash]

Our best chance for a CP3/Howard/Dirk team is for Miami to steamroll it's way through the Finals. Only then will the big name guys realize it's either team up with other superstars or get punked by Miami.

[Budapest Maverick]

If Howard and Paul wants to win a championship, they absolutely have to team up imo, either in Houston, or here. Imagine Dirk as a 2/b option, with the attention Paul and Howard would get... He would average around 20 on 62-64TS%. I think on paper this trio would have much better synergy than the Heat trio. How awesome would it be? I know, i know, shut up doubters. A fan can dream.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Paul and Dwight may be stretching our budget a bit thin, but what about Paul and Bynum (assuming he doesn't get a max contract)?

Mmmm, pipe dreamin'...

Dont know if Paul want to build his contender hopes on Bynums glass-knees and his childish attitude.

Paul&Dirk alone wont be enough

[Scott McGuire]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Dont know if Paul want to build his contender hopes on Bynums glass-knees and his childish attitude.

Paul&Dirk alone wont be enough

Paul & Dirk plus other quality pieces absolutely have a good chance to be a contender.

[iella]

From the Twitterverse:

Originally Posted by @BillSimmons

Also hearing there's a legit chance CP3 doesn't sign there now. It's wide-open. They'd have to hire a coach he likes, and even then...

whooo

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Our best chance for a CP3/Howard/Dirk team is for Miami to steamroll it's way through the Finals. Only then will the big name guys realize it's either team up with other superstars or get punked by Miami.

Sad, but probably true.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Our best chance for a CP3/Howard/Dirk team is for Miami to steamroll it's way through the Finals. Only then will the big name guys realize it's either team up with other superstars or get punked by Miami.

It's a certainty. As the gnomes recently ruminated:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

What's obviously going to happen:

1) Lakers and Clippers both have fairly unceremonious playoff exits

2) Heat easily win the championship

3) Cuban realizes the mistakes he made last summer in being too passive during FA recruitment. He uses his Jedi mind tricks to convince both CP3 and Dwight that their only chance to compete for a championship and dethrone the nearly invincible Heat is to team up with Dirk in Dallas.

4) ????

5) Profit

I don't see how anybody can reasonably dispute that this will definitely happen. Bet the farm.

[LonghornDub]

Also, I'd be pretty surprised if the Clippers hire Phil. And anything short of that will be a less desirable coaching situation than what the Mavs have....

[sefant77]

Phil wants a coaching job? I thought he prefers a job in the FO...

[Bayliss]

Besides that, Phil wants a team that already has a superstar in place.

If Phil goes anywhere I bet he is waiting for Scott Brooks to get canned so he can mold the Thunder.... just like he did with the Bulls. They pretty much already have a Bulls trio (Jordan/Pippen/Grant) in Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka)......

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Phil wants a coaching job? I thought he prefers a job in the FO...

That's the word. Plus, IIRC, Sterling and Phil don't like each other.

[grndmstr_c]

I have to say, if Chris really is soured on the Clippers, I at least like Dallas' chances with him better than I like their chances with Dwight. They can't pitch him a sure-fire contender next year, but if they play their cards right they should be able to pitch him a playoff team with considerable room for improvement going forward, and (as LD noted) what would likely be his best chance to play for a much better coach than he's ever had the opportunity to play for. To a guy with dreams of LA or NY that may not be a strong pitch, but to an intelligent player who's been there, done that, and found it to be lacking in substance, it might at least get their attention.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It's a certainty. As the gnomes recently ruminated:

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Also, I'd be pretty surprised if the Clippers hire Phil. And anything short of that will be a less desirable coaching situation than what the Mavs have....

Paul and Carlisle would be a match made in heaven.

[Melonhead]

Hey deron! Hahahahhahahahahahabahahahababzbcndjxjzisneoxbsbcb vvvodkewqafjc

[yahyes]

Most overrated team this season officially goes to the Brooklyn Nets!

[JeffViggiano]

bye bye deron hahahahahaha

jj,lopez and crash aren't better then Dirk...stupid.

[Murphy3]

Phil wants a team that has a top 3 superstar already along with a budding superstar that's ready to come into his own... That's what Phil requires...

[sefant77]

Funny how Cuban and Donnie warned Deron about the consequences with the new CBA when the JJ to Nets (and the huge Wallace extension) rumors started.

Their roster is dead, best case maybe a 2nd round exit in the next years...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Most overrated team this season officially goes to the Brooklyn Nets!

I still give it to the Clippers. Brooklyn at least made it go seven games whereas the Clippers started out 2-0 just to lose four straight. Plus, Clips won 56 versus 49 for the Nets.

[dude1394]

I have to also give it to the clippers, lob-city and all of that hype. Memphis just mauled them.

[Scott McGuire]

For just this season?

Clippers are WAY more disappointing/overrated. I thought they could possibly make it to the conference finals and give it a decent try.

From here on?

Unless CP3 bolts(pleeeeeeease), The Nets are way more depressing. As far as overrated though… They are pretty properly rated outside Brooklyn. Who actually thinks they are a contender next season? Mikhail Prokhorov is probably about to be shocked when his advisors sit him down and tell him that they really can't make any substantial moves to improve. They'll also have to get his signature on the huge checks he's going to give to the luxury tax.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Scott McGuire

For just this season?

Clippers are WAY more disappointing/overrated. I thought they could possibly make it to the conference finals and give it a decent try.

From here on?

Unless CP3 bolts(pleeeeeeease), The Nets are way more depressing. As far as overrated though… They are pretty properly rated outside Brooklyn. Who actually thinks they are a contender next season? Mikhail Prokhorov is probably about to be shocked when his advisors sit him down and tell him that they really can't make any substantial moves to improve. They'll also have to get his signature on the huge checks he's going to give to the luxury tax.

They can't fire the owner, so they just did the "next-best" thing - they canned Carlesimo... Moving forward or backward?

[yahyes]

I had a coin flip between Clips and Nets. The best part was Chicago playing without like 4 key guys fully healthy. But seeing the Clips get a backdoor sweep had me enjoy it more. Hopefully that works in Chris Paul's head to leave and come to Dallas.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

They can't fire the owner, so they just did the "next-best" thing - they canned Carlesimo... Moving forward or backward?

They were 35-19 under PJ and 14-14 under Avery. Shame he gets the blame having a pretty decent record.

[yahyes]

They're still the Nets. They're still the Clippers! That is what I always say.

[purplefrog]

I'd agree that the dream of CP3 and/or Dwight joining the Mavs is a bit more plausible than, let's say, a month or so ago. On the other hand, I tend to be concerned he MBT puts all their time and energy into these two elite superstars, they (CP3 and Dwight) decide to take their time and evaluate options, and in the meantime other possible free agents sign elsewhere. Somehow the MBT has to realistically evaluate the likelihood that they can land one of them and be willing to move on quickly with other options.

Watching Tony Allen in the playoffs has pushed me to conclude that he is a real difference maker. He salary was only $3M this year and Memphis still has its own salary cap issues (ZBO + Gasol + Conley + Prince), so they will be limited in what they can pay Allen. I think its worth throwing some money at him as the Mavs starting SG. I think the Mavs could then pursue Calderon as their PG even though he is a liability on the defensive end of the court. With the exception of Dwight, I don't see great options at the 5, but I would consider making a serious offer to Pekovic (start at $8-9M/yr) realizing that Minnesota might match. He's not a rim protector by any means, but he is a rugged reliable rebounder and low post scorer. If they could also re-sign Wright then the Mavs might have a nice tandem that could matchup with most teams. This lineup might not have much pizazz, but I think the BBIQ is far superior to the 2012-2013 Mavs (not saying much) and could make a deep playoff run:

Calderon/?
Allen/Carter
Marion/Crowder
Dirk/?
Pekovic/Wright/Sarge

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Nate Robinson:

I'd like to take a nice look at him too, depending on what it would cost. He is mighty for his size and I consider him another guy like Jack that is looking like they're trending up to warrant a starting PG spot on a team. He's small but he has bulk and super speed.

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

Nate is good but not starting pg material. You would have to tolerate some of the low BBIQ stuff that comes with Nate. I like his grittiness (kinda like a stronger JJB).
His career TO rate is 1.49 per - I would have loved that this year on the Mavs.

My number one pick for backup PG this off season (honestly he could've started on the team this past season). He's making less than $1 mil now and is really the Bulls 3rd stringer. They might want to retain him, but barring the Bulls upsetting the Heat I think he will hit the free agent market and be very affordable.

Originally Posted by DGM

Who would you choose between CP3 and Howard if Mavs could have only one?

If we resign Wright, I'd take CP3 due to the draft being pretty center heavy in the top 20 and that we have a decent defensively minded guy in Sarge already. However, if Wright walks I'd take Howard and look towards the FA pool for a solid point guard.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I'd agree that the dream of CP3 and/or Dwight joining the Mavs is a bit more plausible than, let's say, a month or so ago. On the other hand, I tend to be concerned he MBT puts all their time and energy into these two elite superstars, they (CP3 and Dwight) decide to take their time and evaluate options, and in the meantime other possible free agents sign elsewhere.

Honestly, I don't know why people insist on worrying about this. If a point guard not named Chris Paul, or a center not named Dwight Howard agrees to a contract while the two big names have yet to make up their mind, then the point guard or center in question was either never going to do otherwise, or they have the worst agent in pro sports. And nobody who's any good has an agent that bad, so we're really just down to the player having their mind made up long before July 1 even gets here.

Don't confuse what the media and message boards fixate on for what the team is actually doing.