2019 Mavs Free Agency

[saclare]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

There is not a snowballs chance in hell of Vucevic taking a below max deal.

What is his max? Like what can Orlando offer with rights vs any other team?

[endtroducing MASKED]

https://youtu.be/nFVclvqfNDM
Beverley vs. Durant Game 2

If we had to overpay someone, I would’ve preferred the money he ear marked for Beverley.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

https://youtu.be/nFVclvqfNDM
Beverley vs. Durant Game 2

If we had to overpay someone, I would’ve preferred the money he ear marked for Beverley.

He's certainly going to be more expensive now. Even more if Clips somehow pull out the series.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

What's funny about Beverly is that he may cost more than Cousins.

[sefant77]

And Beverley maybe not even leaves the Clippers

They have Shai, Lou, Shamet,Harrell and Gallo under contract and massive Capspace. If the Kawhi rumours are true, they are going to pay Beverley and he stays.

[thewizard]

The more I think about it the more I believe Kemba is going to be our top target this summer. Whether you like it or not, I believe the extension for Powell is signaling a significant investment in him.

I don't think they will be giving him 10-12 million a year to be a 20 mpg big off the bench AND invest in a max contract big. I think we're going to start Powell more often than not and roll with a center by committee approach to maximize KP's versatility. Instead of investing in a big money center like Vuc, I think we're going to go with a group of bigs that can be used to match up in any situation. We'll have our rim runner in Powell, floor spacing and defense in KP and Maxi, and probably a big beefy dude like Mej or some other equivalent to throw out there against Embiid and KAT.

I think we'll go through back channels to see if a wing like Durant or Kawhi would be interested in coming here, and when that inevitably fails I think we'll go for the next biggest "star" available: Kemba Walker.

I would not be surprised at all if this was our lineup next year:

Powell/FA Big/Mejri
Porzingis/Kleber
Jackson/Finney-Smith/Broekhoff
Doncic/Hardaway Jr
Walker/Brunson/Barea

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by thewizard

The more I think about it the more I believe Kemba is going to be our top target this summer. Whether you like it or not, I believe the extension for Powell is signaling a significant investment in him.

I don't think they will be giving him 10-12 million a year to be a 20 mpg big off the bench AND invest in a max contract big. I think we're going to start Powell more often than not and roll with a center by committee approach to maximize KP's versatility. Instead of investing in a big money center like Vuc, I think we're going to go with a group of bigs that can be used to match up in any situation. We'll have our rim runner in Powell, floor spacing and defense in KP and Maxi, and probably a big beefy dude like Mej or some other equivalent to throw out there against Embiid and KAT.

I think we'll go through back channels to see if a wing like Durant or Kawhi would be interested in coming here, and when that inevitably fails I think we'll go for the next biggest "star" available: Kemba Walker.

I would not be surprised at all if this was our lineup next year:

Powell/FA Big/Mejri
Porzingis/Kleber
Jackson/Finney-Smith/Broekhoff
Doncic/Hardaway Jr
Walker/Brunson/Barea

Hope we score a lot of points because we won’t be stopping anyone or getting any rebounds.

[thewizard]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Hope we score a lot of points because we won’t be stopping anyone or getting any rebounds.

Defense will be a concern yes, but I think rebounding is overrated by some people on this board. I've always thought Carlisle values rebounding as a team over having one guy gobble up rebounds. Luka will get 7-8 rpg, KP will get you 7rpg, Powell will get a few, and on down the line. We'll be fine.

I think people clamoring for us to sign someone like Ed Davis for example just to grab a few rebounds is short sighted and not really focused on the way the game is played these days. No offense to anyone that thinks that of course, I just don't see it as a priority when it comes to building our team.

The truth is, short of us landing someone like Durant or Kawhi, there is no silver bullet perfect signing available. Anyone we sign will have potential question marks and leave us with some vulnerabilities to shore up. Vuc for example I think would make us really slow footed and bad on switches in the pick and roll. I think that's a worse flaw in today's NBA than rebounding.

So no, it will not be a perfect team if we sign Kemba, but roster building is a long process, it will take several offseasons before we are able to assemble a championship worthy roster. I personally believe you should lock up your foundation pieces before worrying about specialists like rebounders. Grab someone off the waiver wire like Faried if you need rebounding. I don't think dropping 30 million on a rebounder is the way to go these days.

[endtroducing MASKED]

“Rebounding is overrated” is a take I had no idea I would be alive to see

[thewizard]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

“Rebounding is overrated” is a take I had no idea I would be alive to see

It is if you think we need to invest big money into a guy just to shore up rebounding. As long as we're around league average when it comes to rebounding we'll be fine. You don't have to be a dominant rebounding team to win a championship. It's not 1983 anymore, you don't need Moses Malone to win in the NBA.

I would prefer bigs that can switch and guard the perimeter over a dominant rebounder like DAJ was. When it comes down to it, in today's NBA whichever team makes the most 3's wins the game. So all your signings should be geared toward getting guys that can make 3's and guys that can stop others from making 3's. Rebounding is just further down the priority list.

That's why I think someone like Kemba, a perimeter scorer, will be a priority over someone like Vucevic.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by thewizard

That's why I think someone like Kemba, a perimeter scorer, will be a priority over someone like Vucevic.

Walker - 35.6% three point shooting
Vujecic - 36.3% three point shooting

[EricaLubarsky]

[Underdog]

Kemba may not be an ideal fit, but his talent will be worth the money... You can always swap him for a star that fits better down the road -- assets are key right now.

[Skywalker]

Vucevic brings so much more than rebounding to the table though...and for people who think he's a bad defender, the Magic finished the season 8th in DRtg and Vuc led the team in that category

[thewizard]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Walker - 35.6% three point shooting
Vujecic - 36.3% three point shooting

This is true, but there's also a significant volume difference as Vuc only shoots about 3 a game and Kemba shoots close to 9 per game.

I'm not saying Kemba is a perfect fit and doesn't have weaknesses that will need to be addressed, but the only complete players available this summer are Durant and Kawhi and maybe Klay. So barring a miracle, we're going to end up with someone who has weaknesses that can hurt the team down the line.

I have concerns about Vuc's footspeed, especially when paired with KP. I don't think we would want either of those guys switching out and guarding the perimeter all game which is what would end up happening. I think we'd be giving up tons of open 3s if we paired them together and ultimately one of them would end up being run off the floor the deeper we go into the playoffs.

I've already mentioned I don't know who we're going to sign, I just think Kemba is the most likely get based on who is available and roster needs. I could easily be convinced someone like Middleton or Brogdon for instance is a better bet. We'll just have to wait for everything to shake out this summer.

[mavs531]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Vucevic brings so much more than rebounding to the table though...and for people who think he's a bad defender, the Magic finished the season 8th in DRtg and Vuc led the team in that category

Was all for Vucevic until this series. He's looking god awful so far and not worth the money in my opinion. He may change my mind, a lot of series to go, but damn has he been awful.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by mavs531

Was all for Vucevic until this series. He's looking god awful so far and not worth the money in my opinion. He may change my mind, a lot of series to go, but damn has he been awful.

I think Gasol has been known to slow him down

[mavs531]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I think Gasol has been known to slow him down

Well then we shouldn't throw him money. He's proving right now he's not worth it. I'd rather a Dedmon or someone cheaper who's even better defensively. Just my opinion. Granted Vucevic is talented for sure. I also feel like he'll stay in Orlando anyway. But still damn he's looking bad out there right now.

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[thewizard]

Originally Posted by mavs531

Well then we shouldn't throw him money. He's proving right now he's not worth it. I'd rather a Dedmon or someone cheaper who's even better defensively. Just my opinion. Granted Vucevic is talented for sure. I also feel like he'll stay in Orlando anyway. But still damn he's looking bad out there right now.

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I've been arguing with people today that we shouldn't throw the max at someone like Vuc. You can get defense and rebounding for way cheaper than 30 million a year. No point in giving KP the max, Powell 10-12 million, AND max Vuc. I again keep coming back to Kemba as the likely target. I don't see us landing KD or Kawhi. Middleton or Brogdon would be a good fit but I'm not sure they're worth the max either. IMO you get your offensive stars locked in and worry about surrounding them with the right role players later.

[SMC0007]

Yea Vuce is not looking so hot in this series. But I dont see why he would want to stay in Orlando.

Klay and dedmon would be great.

More realistic but still effective
Danny green and Dedmon or a step down Ed Davis plus another solid vet

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by thewizard

Well an extension implies that Powell just picks up his player option for next season and then we just add on 3 more years after that, hopefully at a similar number (maybe $10-12 million). So this shouldn't affect cap space this summer as his $10.2 million option is already accounted for in this summer's cap space.

Wouldn't that go away if he opted out?

That is what people were hoping would happen.

[thewizard]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

Wouldn't that go away if he opted out?

That is what people were hoping would happen.

The talk is that he is getting an extension, not opting out. In that scenario he would opt in for one more year for 10.2 million and then we would give him 3 more years on top of that keeping him here for a total of 4 more years.

He would actually be hurting us if he opted out because his cap hold is bigger than his actual salary and thus would reduce our available cap space this summer.

We could have even more cap space if he opted out and then we renounced his rights. But if we actually want to keep him here, the only way that makes sense is if his opts in and we extend him.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by thewizard

The talk is that he is getting an extension, not opting out. In that scenario he would opt in for one more year for 10.2 million and then we would give him 3 more years on top of that keeping him here for a total of 4 more years.

He would actually be hurting us if he opted out because his cap hold is bigger than his actual salary and thus would reduce our available cap space this summer.

We could have even more cap space if he opted out and then we renounced his rights. But if we actually want to keep him here, the only way that makes sense is if his opts in and we extend him.

Extend-and-trade is a thing, right?

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Walker - 35.6% three point shooting
Vujecic - 36.3% three point shooting

Come on you know how ridiculous to post that without showing that Vuc takes under 3 per game.

[Melonhead]

Off topic but I was most upset about losing Seth Curry. Shooting 45% on the season from 3. Just dropped b2b threes

[mavs531]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Off topic but I was most upset about losing Seth Curry. Shooting 45% on the season from 3. Just dropped b2b threes

Agreed. Always been a big seth curry fan. Efficient shooter for sure

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[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Off topic but I was most upset about losing Seth Curry. Shooting 45% on the season from 3. Just dropped b2b threes

If not Bev's defense to round out our guards, then give me Seth's three point shooting this summer... He's a pretty scrappy defender too.

[dirt_dobber]

I've been a huge Vucevic supporter - but his play thus far in the matchup with
the Raptors has been disappointing. In loss to Raptors last night he played 25 min
and had 6 rebounds and 6 points. It may be just a matchup problem going against
the thicker Gasol but so far it is bleh. He may have cost himself little money in FA.

Even so far in these playoffs - league wide - the role of the center position has proven
to be limited in today's NBA and in it's impact on the various teams. Sure you had a 1 off Kanter game
for Portland and the Joker for Denver had a poor first game but bounced back last
night with 21pts, 13reb in win over Spurs and S.Adams for OKC had 16pts, 9reb.

So can we get by with a lesser type Center - a Lopez type, or even DeAndre come back?

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If not Bev's defense to round out our guards, then give me Seth's three point shooting this summer... He's a pretty scrappy defender too.

All for it. Can't be for much more than he's making this season. I've sorely missed him and guys like McDermott. Rick's system seems to let guys like that thrive.

[turin]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Kemba may not be an ideal fit, but his talent will be worth the money... You can always swap him for a star that fits better down the road -- assets are key right now.

This.

[sefant77]

Yep....i just want that we use this capspace opportunity for a major talent upgrade.Walker, Vuc....you can discuss endless who fits better but at the end i just wanna get one pf the top FAs

Yes, Luka and KP sounds nice but the league is teaming up buddy league, the Warriors would still have Curry/Klay/Green, maybe the Knicks have soon KD/Irving/Davis....the Clippers may sign Kawhi and another max guy to their playoff core etc.

You need all the talent you can get. If you have three stars, you still win games if one of them has an offnight...

[cutlerny313]

Durant going to the knicks is the best thing for all teams in the West. Makes the warriors much more beatable. And Green is not the player he was two years ago (stats are down across the board).

Knicks only all have room for two max contracts. So Durant with Irving or Kemba is their best options. Plus they have a guarantee top 5 pick. They wont be able to get Davis by giving trading a pick and adding knox, smith to the deal. And no way they are trading a top 2 pick (zion or morant) who will be on rookie deals for Davis. Contracts have to fit.

Kawhi to the Clippers is most likely to happen. Only way it doesn't is if Toronta makes it to the finals and he just loves it there.

To me we hope that Davis gets traded to the East. We wont the conference to get easier with Durant and Davis leaving and Kawhi, Irving staying in the East.

Davis to the lakers and Durant staying is not good for any one in the West.

[tap2390]

I think we're better off making a series of small moves than going for the "big" splash. Assuming we lose our pick (because of course we will, NBA lottery is BS, only reason we don't have a pick is because it f'ed us last year too), we're looking at

1 - Brunson
2 - Hardaway - Lee
3 - Doncic - Jackson - Broekhoff
4 - Porzingis - Powell
5 - ???

before any moves. That roster is pitiful when it comes to defense. Our first priority should absolutely be a center who can rebound and provide a presence in the paint. Sign Dewayne Dedmon. Pay him $12-15 million a year. Next we should be looking at adding a perimeter defender. Sign Pat Beverly to a similar deal. Re-sign Porzingis, Kostas, Salah, and Harris. Draft someone like Matisse Thybulle with your second round pick, and call it an offseason.

1 - Brunson - Beverly
2 - Hardaway - Lee - Thybulle
3 - Doncic - Jackson - Broekhoff
4 - Porzingis - Powell - Kostas
5 - Dedmon - Salah

[cutlerny313]

The way Vucevic is playing right now. He is losing on teams pursuing him.

I like Kemba talent wise, and think he will only be better with talent around him with Doncic and Porzingis. But Defensively we will struggle.

If we don't go for Kemba.

I Would like to see us stretch Lee, so we increase our cap space.

Then sign three guys.

PG Beverly ($5.7m currently) 7.6pts, 5reb, 3.8ast, .9stl (fg 40,7%, 3pt 39.7%, ft 78%)
SG Green (10m currently) 10.3pts, 4reb, 1.6ast, .9stl) (fg 46.5%, 3pt 45.5%, ft 84.1%
SF Bogdanovic (10.5m currently) 18pts, 4.1reb, 2ast, .9stl) (fg 49%, 3pt 42.5%, ft 80.7%)

All three are great defenders. You see what Beverly is doing to Durant. What Bogdanovic did on Lebron last year. And Green always plays on the other teams best guard. They are great shooters. All 3 don't have an injury history, play a whole season. They all come from winning teams and are good character, hard nose, team players. Adds to the type of guys we have in Brunson, Powell, Kleber, Smith.

Kawhi and Durant would be amazing but is unlikely.

Brodgan, Middleton, Harris would be good additions but I don't see them leaving the Bucks and think harris will go back to the sixers.

Avoid Butler, Cousins no matter what. I think they could easily cause locker room problems.

I don't think we need 3 stars. You see what Portland does with two allstars, Toronto with one, bucks with one, Houston with two, etc.
You don't need 3 stars like the warriors.
Two stars and the good solid pieces around them.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by cutlerny313

Knicks only all have room for two max contracts. So Durant with Irving or Kemba is their best options. Plus they have a guarantee top 5 pick. They wont be able to get Davis by giving trading a pick and adding knox, smith to the deal. And no way they are trading a top 2 pick (zion or morant) who will be on rookie deals for Davis. Contracts have to fit.

Knicks can trade Thomas, DSJ, Frank, Knox, Trier and Dotson and it matches the salary. If they trade after the draft they can add their 2019 FRP (non Zion) and remove Knox etc.

If i have to guess i think exactly this will happen. Durant/Irving/Davis in NY

[SMC0007]

If Durant leaves I find it unlikely that Klay would abandon Curry and the warriors even though it would be a good time to do it. Get max and a new start on a contender.
Hes not Durant offensively but he can do it all and would be an awesome fit.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

If Durant leaves I find it unlikely that Klay would abandon Curry and the warriors even though it would be a good time to do it. Get max and a new start on a contender.
Hes not Durant offensively but he can do it all and would be an awesome fit.

Agreed

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Knicks can trade Thomas, DSJ, Frank, Knox, Trier and Dotson and it matches the salary. If they trade after the draft they can add their 2019 FRP (non Zion) and remove Knox etc.

If i have to guess i think exactly this will happen. Durant/Irving/Davis in NY

If the Knicks draft Morant they'll have Morant, DSJ, Ntilikina and Mudiay who were all top 9 or higher PG draft picks.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

If the Knicks draft Morant they'll have Morant, DSJ, Ntilikina and Mudiay who were all top 9 or higher PG draft picks.

It's like Philly with all their bigs a few years back...

[mavs531]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

If the Knicks draft Morant they'll have Morant, DSJ, Ntilikina and Mudiay who were all top 9 or higher PG draft picks.

I'm so happy we moved on from DSJ. Loved the pick on draft night but just proved to me that he was never going to be an efficient shooter from 3 or from the free throw line. Also turnovers were a biggie and his attitude sometimes is off. Now that's only 2 years of sample size but personally I've seen enough to already tell. Explosive to the hoop and decent defense but the cons outweigh the pros. If they draft Morant I could see them try to move on from DSJ as well.

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