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Rick41 · 07-26-2009, 01:55 AM

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It's believed that he'll get a shot at starting at center for the Mavericks ahead of Erick Dampier

Oh wow, wtf.

foglemann · 07-26-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

In a few days I'm going to institute my "once you're a Maverick, I root for you" policy as to Gooden, but until then I'm going to take some time to reflect upon how much I hate him.

Agreed.

Vomit, this is like having atoine walker again. Maybe a 1year deal can work, but this is not what I wanted our first move after the gortat fiasco to be.

Windmill360 · 07-26-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by foglemann

Agreed.

Vomit, this is like having atoine walker again. Maybe a 1year deal can work, but this is not what I wanted our first move after the gortat fiasco to be.

You're right, we could have had the octopus for less.

or at least get Josh Smith to start at center.

dirno2000 · 07-26-2009, 01:59 AM

Sports Guy Twitter:

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'Well, if that's the case, then as your father I'm asking you, don't sign Drew Gooden." --Don Nelson (if he were still Mavs coach)

badfish22 · 07-26-2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

You're right, we could have had the octopus for less.

Wait......

Oh dear god... WHAT HAVE WE DONE!

Dirkadirkastan · 07-26-2009, 02:02 AM

This is funny and strange.

dirno2000 · 07-26-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by foglemann

Agreed.

Vomit, this is like having atoine walker again. Maybe a 1year deal can work, but this is not what I wanted our first move after the gortat fiasco to be.

I wouldn't go that far. When we traded for Walker he was coming off of being the 2nd option in Boston. He was an inefficient scorer that still had the mentality of a dominant player. I don't think that's what we're getting in Gooden.

CapitanObvious · 07-26-2009, 02:12 AM

Drew Gooden!?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-26-2009, 02:57 AM

So he gets 3x the salary that he got with the Spurs, who didn't want him back?

Fantastic!

Windmill360 · 07-26-2009, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

So he gets 3x the salary that he got with the Spurs, who didn't want him back?

Fantastic!

The spurs signed him towards the end of the season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2009, 03:48 AM

Ugh, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

What will make this an epic fail is if the Mavs don't get a center. Otherwise I guess it's whatever. Would have rather have had Warrick but meh.

Like Longhorn said, I'll root for him since he'll be a Maverick...eventually.

Folterkammer · 07-26-2009, 04:34 AM

so basically by the end of the season we have Damp with 10 million and gooden with another 4.5 million as expiring contracts to use in a trade?

me like

Windmill360 · 07-26-2009, 04:42 AM

So what I'm reading from many of you, and to my interpretation, warrick is more capable a center than Gooden?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2009, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

So what I'm reading from many of you, and to my interpretation, warrick is more capable a center than Gooden?

Well, neither is a center so playing either of them at the 5 is an out-of-position move. I view both as a Bass replacement, not a center upgrade.

dirno2000 · 07-26-2009, 05:13 AM

Golden can play center wheras Warwick is way too light to give you any quality time there. Plus if I'm trying to win a championship I don't know if I want a player that's spent his entire career in Memphis. It worked out for the Lakers but obviously Gasol's a much better player and he experienced a little success in Memphis.

I feel much better about Gooden as a playoff contributor.

left texas · 07-26-2009, 05:41 AM

It's believed that he'll get a shot at starting at center for the Mavericks ahead of Erick Dampier

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Oh wow, wtf.

Fish on the subject:
Gooden projects as a candidate to get serious minutes at center and at the 4, replacing the departed Brandon Bass.

Wasn't he doing great in Chicago until he got injured with an abdominal strain?

With some matchups I think he will do well at center, and surely he can finish better than Damp.

jthig32 · 07-26-2009, 07:12 AM

What a stupid, stupid move.

It's only for one year (thank God), but it's a stupid move.

Stein actually said in his article that he's going to be given the opportunity to start over Damp.

We just spent our entire MLE (again, only for one year, thank the sweet Lord) on Drew effing Gooden.

Kill me with death.

Underdog · 07-26-2009, 07:17 AM

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Gooden projects as a candidate to get serious minutes at center and at the 4, replacing the departed Brandon Bass.

Those are some big shoes to fill!

(I love the little part at the end where Gooden practices his shooting motion again...)

Underdog · 07-26-2009, 07:37 AM

Which lineup will be more effective?

Kidd/Josh/Marion/Dirk/Gooden

or

Kidd/Josh/Marion/Dirk/box of rocks

(THANK GOD we still have Erick Dampier!)

aexchange · 07-26-2009, 08:03 AM

i actually like this move.

it gives the mavs much more flexibility with their lineup, and to be quite honest, don't know if we could have gotten anybody better than gooden now. at one year, gooden will be highly motivated to play well heading into 2010.

tcat075 · 07-26-2009, 08:05 AM

I don't think its as bad as you guys are making it out to be. But it might be.

untitled · 07-26-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

(THANK GOD we still have Erick Dampier!)

If this doesn't indicate a questionable roster move, I don't know what will.

EricaLubarsky · 07-26-2009, 08:22 AM

After losing our on Gortat and all the time Otis took messing with us, there really wasnt much that we could have gotten for the MLE that was worth it. I predicted in another thread that we'd just split up the MLE and keep most of the MLE going into the season.

You can say gooden sucks and thats likely true, but at the same time he's a decent 6'10" player that can rebound and score at a decent rate. Plus he's cheaper than Diop and its only a one year deal.

jthig32 · 07-26-2009, 08:29 AM

I'd have rather not spent the MLE at all than spend it on Drew Gooden.

Underdog · 07-26-2009, 08:41 AM

Fish seems to think Dallas has another move up their sleeve, but unless it's for a center, I don't see much point... And honestly, I can't imagine pursuing another center after acquiring Gooden - why pay a guy the full MLE just to play backup minutes behind your franchise player when you just signed a fully-capable backup in Shawn Marion? (that would be as stupid as re-signing Gortat to back up Dwight Howard after signing Bass!)

Forget about re-signing Singleton now - we probably won't bring back Hollins either...

Do we keep Humphries? I can't imagine he'd get any burn with Dirk/Marion/Gooden on the roster...

Who will be Dirk's primary backup - Marion or Gooden?

Can we sign a couple more 4's just for the hell of it?

EricaLubarsky · 07-26-2009, 08:42 AM

Honestly personality and hair aside, he looks like a good signing to me. It just goes to show how gloomy the center position looks and people are looking for some pipe-dream center to magically be traded here when we really have no pieces that match most all the centers people are talking about.

gooden will play 20-25 minutes at center, be third string at the 4, and he'll be busting butt because he wants to stay in the NBA. Gooden is a talented player who can be good in the right system and what I hear is that there is a second year, team option which would mean that if he turns out, we could pick up an option for next year and get early bird, let him walk, trade him at the deadline, or SnT him.

EricaLubarsky · 07-26-2009, 08:44 AM

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Forget about re-signing Singleton now - we probably won't bring back Hollins either...

Do we keep Humphries? I can't imagine he'd get any burn with Dirk/Marion/Gooden on the roster...

Who will be Dirk's primary backup - Marion or Gooden?

Can we sign a couple more 4's just for the hell of it?

I'd agree with Singleton's chances becoming slimmer, but Hollins looks like more and more of a lock.

Humphries will be gone, though.

quietsavant · 07-26-2009, 08:55 AM

Good + Woodsmen = Gooden

Robillion · 07-26-2009, 09:02 AM

I think it will be a drastic mistake to let go of with Singleton or Hollins. They both showed they could play last year, both young, .. I dont get it. They deserved more burn this year.

purplefrog · 07-26-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Honestly personality and hair aside, he looks like a good signing to me. It just goes to show how gloomy the center position looks and people are looking for some pipe-dream center to magically be traded here when we really have no pieces that match most all the centers people are talking about.

gooden will play 20-25 minutes at center, be third string at the 4, and he'll be busting butt because he wants to stay in the NBA. Gooden is a talented player who can be good in the right system and what I hear is that there is a second year, team option which would mean that if he turns out, we could pick up an option for next year and get early bird, let him walk, trade him at the deadline, or SnT him.

I agree with EL on this. Gooden satisfies 3.5/5 goals at the center positon imo. He can catch the ball, he can shoot from 7-10 ft, he can rebound, and he is almost big enough to play the 5. His defense is lacking and he is creepy looking but he's a consistent performer if you are looking for 10ppg and 8 rebounds. That's not bad imo.

sefant77 · 07-26-2009, 09:09 AM

From Gortat to Gooden and spending almost the whole MLE

I damn hope for the FO they can get another nice player with the BAE.

And how Gooden help us if he couldnt help the frontcourt-less Spurs last year and couldnt beat freaking Matt Bonner for PT...

Underdog · 07-26-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I agree with EL on this. Gooden satisfies 3.5/5 goals at the center positon imo. He can catch the ball, he can shoot from 7-10 ft, he can rebound, and he is almost big enough to play the 5. His defense is lacking and he is creepy looking but he's a consistent performer if you are looking for 10ppg and 8 rebounds. That's not bad imo.

That's the big sticking point with Gooden - lazy defense... You can't have a poor defender at the 5 next to Dirk!

Now we have two one-way players at center and still no two-way players (this move certainly doesn't put us any closer to a ring...)

Why does it feel like we're banking on Bosh in 2010?

Underdog · 07-26-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I damn hope for the FO they can get another nice player with the BAE.

I'm 100% certain the BAE/LLE is going to be spent on a sharp-shooter (if we spend it at all) and then we'll call it a summer...

Kidd/JJB/Boobie
Josh/JET/LLE sniper
Marion/Josh/Ross
Dirk/Marion/Gooden
Damp/Gooden/Dirk

sefant77 · 07-26-2009, 09:20 AM

sharp-shooter? Matt Carroll?

I really hope for resign Hollins and any nice steal with the BAE (McCants, Diogu etc) and if its just a nice throw-in for later bigger trades.

alexamenos · 07-26-2009, 09:22 AM

the almost-signing of the white guy from orlando didn't light my britches on fire, but now I think it's a shame it didn't happen.

purplefrog · 07-26-2009, 09:38 AM

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That's the big sticking point with Gooden - lazy defense... You can't have a poor defender at the 5 next to Dirk!

Now we have two one-way players at center and still no two-way players (this move certainly doesn't put us any closer to a ring...)

I guess my thinking is that's it better to have two one-way players (one on off and one on def) rather than one one-way (sounds like we are talking about Cincinnati Chili). In my ideal world the Mavs are still hoping to add a Kaman/Camby but given the level of uncertainty and the fact that FOs are going off the board quickly they needed an insurance policy in case future deals don't go through. The fact that the contract is just one year guaranteed supports that idea imo. With Gooden + Marion the Mavs have added offense and defense to next year's team. Gooden isn't the greatest addition, but it's not a bad move.

dude1394 · 07-26-2009, 09:44 AM

Bass wasn't lazy, he just wasn't very good. I would be surprised (in a bad way) to see Gooden be worse than Bass defensively.

I do wonder how he will work out if his head isn't right with ball on playing center for the mavs. The mavs at the moment are a little bit different than before imo. With jkiddo, josh, shawn as the perimeter guys, they may keep more penetration from occurring...and when we play a team without a big bruiser center...we have been desperate for mobility from that spot.

I mean our defensive center played less than half the game in lieu of a 6'7" guy.

Underdog · 07-26-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I really hope for resign Hollins and any nice steal with the BAE (McCants, Diogu etc) and if its just a nice throw-in for later bigger trades.

Yeah, we could definitely use Hollins as insurance (Gooden is fairly injury-prone...)

McCants would be a good pickup for the BAE/LLE, but I think Diogu might be out of the running now that we have Gooden...

foglemann · 07-26-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

I wouldn't go that far. When we traded for Walker he was coming off of being the 2nd option in Boston. He was an inefficient scorer that still had the mentality of a dominant player. I don't think that's what we're getting in Gooden.

No doubt they are different players on the count. I just think that both he and Antoine have rat turds for intangbles.

candid_snoop41 · 07-26-2009, 09:55 AM

The Spurs got Ratliff...I'd take Ratliff over Gooden (as a center) any day!