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mkat · 01-14-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

or hatcher whom they used a 3rd round pick on or.... the cowboys have invested way to much in this defense for it not to be any better than it is.

and from what John Kitna said...neither ayodele or james know what they're supposed to be doing...

Five-ofan · 01-15-2007, 09:53 AM

btw on hatcher, i was against the pick at the time because i had no clue who he was, but that guy has talent. I do think he was a solid pick but like i said, if we continue at this pace, in about 3 years were gonna have 11 first round picks on defense and theyre still going to be average. that wont get it done.

dalmations202 · 01-15-2007, 09:58 AM

Just a FYI, if Dallas doesn't "sure up" both the lines, it doesn't matter how much "talent" they have -- they will never win the Big one.

Ninkobei · 01-16-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

btw on hatcher, i was against the pick at the time because i had no clue who he was, but that guy has talent. I do think he was a solid pick but like i said, if we continue at this pace, in about 3 years were gonna have 11 first round picks on defense and theyre still going to be average. that wont get it done.

possibly, but damn they have to try at least. leaving the current guys in there wont get it done. maybe we'll get lucky on the next one, who knows.

Five-ofan · 01-16-2007, 01:32 AM

the question i have is when is it enough? the dline has Ferguson who was a major investment, spears who was a first round pick, ware (sometimes) who was a first round pick, Hatcher who was a third round pick when their was a very very good olineman on the board, sometimes carpenter, so on and so fourth. they just cant keep dumping every first round pick on the dline. At some point they have to produce. Or the person making the picks needs to be fired. This means you bill parcells.

dalmations202 · 01-16-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

the question i have is when is it enough? the dline has Ferguson who was a major investment, spears who was a first round pick, ware (sometimes) who was a first round pick, Hatcher who was a third round pick when their was a very very good olineman on the board, sometimes carpenter, so on and so fourth. they just cant keep dumping every first round pick on the dline. At some point they have to produce. Or the person making the picks needs to be fired. This means you bill parcells.

I have no argument here.

Chicken Diavlo · 01-17-2007, 10:27 PM

Draft Jarvis Moss and put him on the D-Line!

Haha... I wish.

Five-ofan · 01-17-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken Diavlo

Draft Jarvis Moss and put him on the D-Line!

Haha... I wish.

jarvis would cry if he came here. this is a terrible fit for him. plus i dont think hell be on the board when the boys draft.

Chicken Diavlo · 01-19-2007, 09:53 PM

Yeah, I know you're right. It would still be cool tho.

nashtymavsfan13 · 01-20-2007, 02:16 AM

So is the consensus that either Parcells or TO will go? (I didn't read the entire thread, nor am I a Cowboys fan).

Ninkobei · 01-20-2007, 02:57 PM

I think both Parcells and TO will stay. all this crap about one of them leaving is just media bullhonkery.

Dtownsfinest · 01-22-2007, 10:45 AM

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if aaron glenn goes into next year as a starting corner, we can go ahead and plan on a top 12 pick.

Whoa. Aaron Glenn is not a bad corner. Don't let the couple of mistake she made as a nickel corner fool you. Cowboys should be fine with Glenn and another solid veteran and/or draft pick as corner.

And yea I expect both TO and Parcells to be back. Everyone wants to get rid of TO as if he's the solution. This teams offense was great last season. The only additions to the offense should be draft picks to get younger. Give this offense another year playing together.

The defense however could use some upgrading. Not much IMO. I'd like to get a solid veteran or rookie who's a fast linebacker. Outside of Ware our linebackers are big and slow. We also need to upgrade at the defensive end spot. Another year under Canty and Spears belt could do them some good as well as the linebackers. But those positions definately should be considered. I like the idea of Anthony Henry at Free Safety. I feel he's a solid corner and was just exposed due to qb's not throwing T-New's way. But with Roy back there we need a guy who can make plays in coverage.

Five-ofan · 01-22-2007, 12:51 PM

aaron glenns problem is that hes 5-7. The other problem is that if he is starting then we need yet another corner for the nickel corner spot. Aaron glenn is not good enough to be a starting corner in the nfl right now.

Dtownsfinest · 01-22-2007, 02:21 PM

Ahhh I don't know. I agree that yea his height can be a concern but usually T-New is the guy lined up against the bigger recievers except for the Jag's who have about 3 or 4 tall receivers they can throw out there. As of right now I just don't have a problem with Glenn starting until he can prove he can't. I'd like a 6'1 corner out there to start but i'm not sure if there will be a better option out there in free agency who's worth the money since the going rate for corners are always overpaid.

mkat · 01-22-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Just a FYI, if Dallas doesn't "sure up" both the lines, it doesn't matter how much "talent" they have -- they will never win the Big one.

truth.

Male30Dan · 02-20-2007, 10:41 AM

Gurode signed for 6 years. Contract specifics not yet known.

Man! 6 years is a long time for a guy with one good year and 28 years old. I hope this guy keeps playing like his pro bowl season last year!

Male30Dan · 02-20-2007, 10:43 AM

Here is the link!

Cowboys center Gurode agrees to six-year contract
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

The Dallas Cowboys, fresh off their hiring of head coach Wade Phillips as Bill Parcells' replacement, resolved their top free agent priority by reaching agreement on a six-year deal with center Andre Gurode.

Terms on the contract were not immediately available, but it is safe to assume Gurode has become one of the highest-paid centers in the league. The start of free agency is only two weeks away and Gurode and New York Giants center Shaun O'Hara were going to be a hottest free agents at their position. To get Gurode off the market, the Cowboys had to strike the right kind of deal and did just that.

Gurode's agent, Kennard McGuire, was unavailable for comment Tuesday.

Negotiations with the 6-foot-4, 314-pound Gurode began last week and turned hot and heavy during the weekend. The Cowboys wanted to maintain continuity along their offensive line but faced the possibility of losing Gurode at center and Marc Colombo at right tackle. Gurode's backup, Al Johnson, is also a free agent.

The Cowboys drafted Gurode in the second round in 2002 and he's been starting since his rookie season.

Matt Birk of the Vikings is the currently the league's highest-paid center at $4.3 million per year, but the 2007 market should take the price of top centers above $4.5 million and possibly to $5 million annually.

dirno2000 · 02-20-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Male23Dan

Gurode signed for 6 years. Contract specifics not yet known.

Man! 6 years is a long time for a guy with one good year and 28 years old. I hope this guy keeps playing like his pro bowl season last year!

I'm not worried about the years. The thing that really matters is the signing bouns. Odds are he'll never see the end of that contract.

I'm glad that we're being proactive with this. There's too much money out there to let him hit the open market.

Male30Dan · 02-20-2007, 05:17 PM

Actually the length does matter. If he gets cut with 3 years left on his contract, his remaining signing bonus gets subtracted from that cut year's cap. Maybe that is why you said all that matters is the signing bonus, but I am just saying that the more years remaining on the contract when cut, the more the team's cap gets hit.

That is the way I understand it anyway - I could be wrong.

dirno2000 · 02-20-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Male23Dan

Actually the length does matter. If he gets cut with 3 years left on his contract, his remaining signing bonus gets subtracted from that cut year's cap. Maybe that is why you said all that matters is the signing bonus, but I am just saying that the more years remaining on the contract when cut, the more the team's cap gets hit.

That is the way I understand it anyway - I could be wrong.

No, you're right about that. The signing bonus is prorated evenly over the length of the contract.

The reason i'm not really worried it the way most contracts are structured, the salary in the last couple of years is more than the prorated bonus so it'll probably still be cheaper to cut him than to keep him if that's what we want to do.

So we don't need him to be good for the full 6 years but we need at least 4.

Male30Dan · 02-20-2007, 10:26 PM

Well, I hope 4 very good years from a guy with only 1 so far out of 5 is possible! We DEFINITELY had to sign him back though, so good job Jerry. Damn I hope he keeps it up though!

dirno2000 · 02-26-2007, 09:46 PM

From John Clayton:

• The Cowboys could emerge as the lead team for Cardinals left tackle Leonard Davis. The Cardinals decided not to franchise Davis and will let him hit the market. The 49ers and Cowboys are expected to be the teams that are the most interested and many feel the Cowboys will be the winner.

Ninkobei · 02-27-2007, 12:55 PM

if I know my madden players, Davis is a beast. not sure how old he is though... could be a nice pickup if it doesnt cost the cowboys too much

Murphy3 · 02-27-2007, 07:48 PM

This will be the first time Davis hits the open market...He'll be 29 in September.

mkat · 02-27-2007, 11:28 PM

anyone else interested in ogunleye? the bears are shopping him.

dirno2000 · 02-27-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mkat

anyone else interested in ogunleye? the bears are shopping him.

He's a 4-3 end. We don't need him.

mkat · 02-28-2007, 12:13 AM

yeah, i think he's too small, but i like him.

ames7 · 02-28-2007, 10:27 PM

If you didn't see it, Mat McBriar is done for 5yrs/$8.5mil w/a $2.5mil signing bonus, making him the highest paid punter in the league.
http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstory/...r.6c40d18.html

No problem with this at all. He is greatness. And considering this team's problems at punter before he came along, we're lucky. Hopefully he'll work on learning to kick off like he promised.

mkat · 03-01-2007, 01:18 AM

good idea there with mcbriar. i like the guy a lot.

LonestarROB · 03-01-2007, 06:41 PM

Drew Bledsuck was released today.

Ninkobei · 03-01-2007, 08:42 PM

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Drew Bledsuck was released today.

thank god for that. now maybe we can pay a guy to actually do his job instead of just moping on the bench. not to blame bledsoe for Romo's fg fumble, but the guy had just finished a long drive and Im sure his fatigue didnt help. shoulda signed a placekick holder as soon as bledsoe said he wouldnt do the job.

jthig32 · 03-01-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

thank god for that. now maybe we can pay a guy to actually do his job instead of just moping on the bench. not to blame bledsoe for Romo's fg fumble, but the guy had just finished a long drive and Im sure his fatigue didnt help. shoulda signed a placekick holder as soon as bledsoe said he wouldnt do the job.

Riiiight. Romo dropping the ball was somehow Bledsoe's fault.

Bledsoe was the ultimate pro while he was here, just like he was in New England. He's not a fit here anymore, but he's a great guy, and I wish him well.

Ninkobei · 03-01-2007, 11:25 PM

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Riiiight. Romo dropping the ball was somehow Bledsoe's fault.

Bledsoe was the ultimate pro while he was here, just like he was in New England. He's not a fit here anymore, but he's a great guy, and I wish him well.

not saying it was Bledsoe's fault. not meaning to say that anyway. but being "too proud" to perform the backup qbs duties certainly deserves some criticism.

LonestarROB · 03-02-2007, 12:06 AM

Anybody else think we'll bring in Brad Johnson to back up Romo?

mkat · 03-02-2007, 12:46 AM

yes. why not?

jthig32 · 03-02-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

not saying it was Bledsoe's fault. not meaning to say that anyway. but being "too proud" to perform the backup qbs duties certainly deserves some criticism.

Show me something that states that Parcells ever asked him to, and I'll accept your point.

I seriously doubt he was even asked. He's probably never, ever held for a FG.

Male30Dan · 03-02-2007, 11:37 AM

L. Davis coming in to Valley Ranch today. His signing would likely mark the end of Rivera in Dallas, unless they are foolish enough to let Columbo go after finally having quality play from our RT position.

Davis as a L/RT = BAD
Davis as a L/RG = GOOD

Flip41 · 03-02-2007, 12:18 PM

Cowboys need to be looking at Porter immediatly.

dirno2000 · 03-02-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Male23Dan

L. Davis coming in to Valley Ranch today. His signing would likely mark the end of Rivera in Dallas, unless they are foolish enough to let Columbo go after finally having quality play from our RT position.

Davis as a L/RT = BAD
Davis as a L/RG = GOOD

I'm not feeling good about the way things are going. There must have been a pretty big gap between what Columbo is looking for and what we were offering. Otherwise we never would have let him hit the open market. I read somewhere that we're visiting Denver this weekend.

I can't tell you how much it would disappoint me to lose him. You need continuity of the offensive line.

As for Davis, I know he’s played it before but you don’t see many guards his height. My guess is that they’re looking at him as a replacement at RT.

Male30Dan · 03-02-2007, 04:54 PM

Ugh... NO to Davis as a RT replacement! Losing Columbo would really be stupid IMO.