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Siakam wants either a max extension or to stay with Raptors and finish his contract and become a UFA
Is he worth the max with Luka and Kyrie max too?
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01-03-2024, 02:16 PM
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I meant they can still contend this year, but it takes some more moves.
I'm starting to think they didn't like any deals in the offseason and thought they could make something happen at the deadline. Dumbass approach, but it makes sense with the timeline of events. They're extremely lucky that Lively is this playable early on or it would all be a disaster.
Seriously, the problem has been there now going on three seasons (could argue all the way back to losing Chandler, but I digress...). Even I will start to get really perturbed if they stand pat over the next month and a half.
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I wouldn't be so disappointed if they quickly pivoted on to the next best available when they start targeting players. Any thing could be happening on these calls...but very usable players are miased all the time while we are chasing Siakams, or insert a cpl guys every year.
Yea no one comes to mind since Chandler.
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01-03-2024, 03:26 PM
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I thought the MBT might make a move to trade for John Collins last summer. They ended up with Grant. I am guessing both teams have buyer's remorse. Perhaps a change of scenery would help all parties involved. Grant + Holmes for Collins is not far-fetched given JC's bloated contract. Jazz might reason that it would be easier to dump GW's $14M contract than Collins $25M or just the change in system would somehow ignite the energy lacking in Grant . Mavs might be thinking JC would help with rebounding and be as potent as GW from beyond the arc. I would rather trade GW for Olynyk but it appears there will be a lot of competition for KO. This is the kind of trade that seems more likely than somehow getting Siakam.
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It is funny that after Grant sported that Eagles jersey that his game has plummeted. Guess he let the Cowboys fans get to him...
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01-03-2024, 03:27 PM
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Siakam wants either a max extension or to stay with Raptors and finish his contract and become a UFA
Is he worth the max with Luka and Kyrie max too?
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We can afford it now so why not?
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01-03-2024, 04:23 PM
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I thought the MBT might make a move to trade for John Collins last summer. They ended up with Grant. I am guessing both teams have buyer's remorse. Perhaps a change of scenery would help all parties involved. Grant + Holmes for Collins is not far-fetched given JC's bloated contract. Jazz might reason that it would be easier to dump GW's $14M contract than Collins $25M or just the change in system would somehow ignite the energy lacking in Grant . Mavs might be thinking JC would help with rebounding and be as potent as GW from beyond the arc. I would rather trade GW for Olynyk but it appears there will be a lot of competition for KO. This is the kind of trade that seems more likely than somehow getting Siakam.
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I'm down. Collins rebounding would complement Lively as much as the latter's defense helps Collins at the 4.
John Collins has fit this roster for a while now. (edit: much better now with Lively)
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01-03-2024, 04:30 PM
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I'm down. Collins rebounding would complement Lively as much as the latter's defense helps Collins at the 4.
John Collins has fit this roster for a while now. (edit: much better now with Lively)
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Collins could also log some minutes as a stretch 5. That is something the Mavs do not have right now (maybe Kleber eventually, but I wouldn't count on it). Collins' salary is way too high for his expected contribution, but it might be worth it if you can make a trade without giving up Hardy or Green (might need them for a second move down the road).
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01-03-2024, 05:29 PM
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We can afford it now so why not?
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Subpar three-point shooter and rebounder?
If he costs us our last two FRPs and makes us dump salary to keep Kai, Luka, and him on max deals, I'd have at least some concerns. He's one of the best defenders in the league and can defend 2-4 (5 in stretches), but it's not an open and closed case.
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01-03-2024, 06:51 PM
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You had me at defense. Actually, I'm fine with Pascal, Collins, or Stewart really. No idea what any of them actually costs though.
Would love Drummond too.
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01-03-2024, 06:56 PM
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You had me at defense. Actually, I'm fine with Pascal, Collins, or Stewart really. No idea what any of them actually costs though.
Would love Drummond too.
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Why not all 4?
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01-03-2024, 07:04 PM
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Why not all 4?
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They can each share THJ's inconsistent shooting.
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01-03-2024, 10:16 PM
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Looks like Lively is going to be out for a few weeks again. Ankle touched the floor. In a blowout nonetheless.
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01-04-2024, 01:07 PM
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Siakam wants either a max extension or to stay with Raptors and finish his contract and become a UFA
Is he worth the max with Luka and Kyrie max too?
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Don't care about no max extension
Teams have proven all the time you can get off contracts if you want but we keep giving the mavs a pass that they shouldn't go all out for guys like siakam because they want max deal
Fuck that you got Luka and kyrie along with Lively it's time we go all in and try to win this damn thing now.
I don't care about 3-4 years down the road. Luka may not stick around for this shit if you continue to be a middle of the road team.
Go win a got damn championship or get there and Siakam fits this roster perfectly
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01-04-2024, 04:21 PM
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Meanwhile, Mark Cuban is embarrasing himself on X, again. He is king cringe.
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01-04-2024, 04:24 PM
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Meanwhile, Mark Cuban is embarrasing himself on X, again. He is king cringe.
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Who isn't? Even Elon himself is showing himself to be a petulant child in need of attention. It's why I follow Dallas sports sources and don't tweet.
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01-04-2024, 04:26 PM
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Don't care about no max extension
Teams have proven all the time you can get off contracts if you want but we keep giving the mavs a pass that they shouldn't go all out for guys like siakam because they want max deal
Fuck that you got Luka and kyrie along with Lively it's time we go all in and try to win this damn thing now.
I don't care about 3-4 years down the road. Luka may not stick around for this shit if you continue to be a middle of the road team.
Go win a got damn championship or get there and Siakam fits this roster perfectly
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Inching towards this mindset. Push all the chips in if a player that can get this team to contending.
I think a 6 seed is attainable IF they find a backup center. By next season, I would be having WCF aspirations.
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01-04-2024, 04:28 PM
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Who isn't? Even Elon himself is showing himself to be a petulant child in need of attention. It's why I follow Dallas sports sources and don't tweet.
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That moron said C sections are better than natural birth so our brains can be bigger. Quintessential dumb person that thinks theyre smart.
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01-04-2024, 04:51 PM
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Lively and Grant are both questionable tomorrow. Huge relief that Live will not miss many games
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01-04-2024, 04:54 PM
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Who isn't? Even Elon himself is showing himself to be a petulant child in need of attention. It's why I follow Dallas sports sources and don't tweet.
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Elon is not attached to the Mavs, but I'd trade him as owner for Cuban if the option was on the table and throw in a future first rnd pick. To answer your question, the only people who arent consistently embarrasing themselves are anonymous shit posters.
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01-04-2024, 05:34 PM
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Elon is not attached to the Mavs, but I'd trade him as owner for Cuban if the option was on the table and throw in a future first rnd pick. To answer your question, the only people who arent consistently embarrasing themselves are anonymous shit posters.
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Well Mark Cuban isn't the owner anymore because he blew it all on Crypto.
Cuban is just a textbook narcissist.
I wouldn't take ANY business advice from him. And yet he spits it out on twitter left and right.
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01-04-2024, 05:45 PM
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Well Mark Cuban isn't the owner anymore because he blew it all on Crypto.
Cuban is just a textbook narcissist.
I wouldn't take ANY business advice from him. And yet he spits it out on twitter left and right.
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Right. Business advice or general workplace ethics.
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01-04-2024, 06:30 PM
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Hardy wiped his Instagram
Might not mean anything. PJ Washington did the same and then filled his socials with posts about Dallas so we were all sure he was coming instead of Gwill
Still interesting
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01-04-2024, 06:38 PM
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PJ Washington reminds me of a worse version of Harrison Barnes. Kinda glad we didn't go that route.
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01-04-2024, 08:03 PM
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My bigger thing is that we love to have 3-4 guys on the floor that are 6'7" and under and can't rebound to save their lives. We missed 6'7" and underwhelming rebounder PJ Washington but then inked Grant Williams who is also sub-par at rebounding and undersized to play the 4.
Between undersized PFs and no backup Cs of any import, it's no wonder we are failing at rebounding and defense.
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01-04-2024, 08:22 PM
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PF/C combos in the playoffs
EAST
Celtics - 7'2" Porzingis, 6'8" Tatum
Bucks - 7'1" Lopez, 6'11" Giannis
76ers - 7'0" Embiid, 6'8" Batum
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Wolves - 7'1" Embid, 7'0" KAT
Thunder - 7'1" Chet, 6'8" Giddey
Nuggets - 7'0" Jokic, 6'8" Gordon
And then there's the Mavs if Lively is healthy
7'1" Lively, 6'6" Williams or 6'6" DDJ
and if Lively is out
6'10" Powell, 6'6" Williams or 6'6" DDJ
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Hardy wiped his Instagram
Might not mean anything. PJ Washington did the same and then filled his socials with posts about Dallas so we were all sure he was coming instead of Gwill
Still interesting
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His insta is still loaded
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01-05-2024, 11:07 AM
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His insta is still loaded
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Yeah he pruned some pics but left all his Mavs stuff. MavsFFL on insta had a post that made it look completely wiped.
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01-05-2024, 03:13 PM
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lol why the fuck not? Luka and D-Live should be the only untouchable players. Guess we aren?t interested in upgrading the roster because Green is one of the few players I think other teams might have interest in.
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01-05-2024, 03:20 PM
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I mean, same people with then Hardy IG news. At worst, this is just obvious posturing by the Mavs to prop him up in trades. He will get some legitimate burn and has been player better lately, just not enough to declare him as untouchable. As always, his health is the biggest question.
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01-05-2024, 03:30 PM
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That means nothing to me. Even if true, What value does he have? No one called them with reasonable offers for what we need, and What FO thinks he is worth is CLEARLY not in line with everyone else across the league.
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Yeah, but even if it's posturing, it makes no sense. You're not going to phonily prop up Green's value which likely isn't very high right now.
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01-05-2024, 04:59 PM
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Yeah, but even if it's posturing, it makes no sense. You're not going to phonily prop up Green's value which likely isn't very high right now.
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nothing about that blurb made me think that was current information. last year they were hesitant to include him. They probably feel different now.
Either way, I dont think putting his name out there is a good idea overall if youre trying to attract a trade.
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That account is a joke and the mavs comment means f all. Theres not even a link just an @.
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01-05-2024, 05:19 PM
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That account is a joke and the mavs comment means f all. Theres not even a link just an @.
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Agreed, he is a captain of stealing shit, but sometimes it's harder to find the actual source.
I wonder if that's the same MFFL user on here?
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01-05-2024, 05:46 PM
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Agreed, he is a captain of stealing shit, but sometimes it's harder to find the actual source.
I wonder if that's the same MFFL user on here?
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No clue but most of those posts trigger a bunch of entry level casual Mav fans. Every thread ends up with insanely irrational takes in general and oh trade Maxi for Siakam and Lebron
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01-05-2024, 06:59 PM
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Kings emerging as suitors for Siakam per Shams.
This is what happens when you don't include Josh Green in a trade.
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01-06-2024, 12:43 PM
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Lawson is beginning to make Green expendable imo and I'm not so sure B Williams won't make Hardy expendable too.
Lawson is the better fit and Williams has true PG skills.
Not saying they are better players, but both look like they could fill the roles vacated if Hardy and Green are used as trade pieces to address areas of greater need.
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01-06-2024, 03:25 PM
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Not sure if we are putting all trade rumors in here? Feel like Hield gets brought up every season.
The Trade Deadline: ?I do know that Buddy Hield is on the block after he turned down extension numbers from Indiana in the fall. And I do know so far Indiana has pretty much rebuffed any teams interest in TJ McConnell.? (via @JakeLFischer )
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Kings emerging as suitors for Siakam per Shams.
This is what happens when you don't include Josh Green in a trade.
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Not saying it was on the table for Siakam, but I can?t believe the Mavs are basically making Josh fucking Green untouchable.
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Not sure if we are putting all trade rumors in here? Feel like Hield gets brought up every season.
The Trade Deadline: ?I do know that Buddy Hield is on the block after he turned down extension numbers from Indiana in the fall. And I do know so far Indiana has pretty much rebuffed any teams interest in TJ McConnell.? (via @JakeLFischer )
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Dont need Hield...at all, though
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