PGT: 0-2 Dirk'n'scrubs lose, refs get enough facetime to start their own IMDb pages

[Lor20]

Originally Posted by rmacomic

Don't care, won championship.

But seriously, the free pass I gave Cuban and the MBT after the championship is gone.

Better do something this offseason or Cuban will forever go down as an idiot for not resigning that team.

a) we didnt have enough money to sign all these guys at what they are making now
b) i dont think we repeat with chandler and the other guys. Lets face it - Kidd has been dropping in offensive productiveness and quickness for the last two years. We arent losing the games because we have bad D at center - especially not against okc with their center play being pretty unimpressive - as a matter of fact we are one of the best teams at making the other team take jump shots by giving them some space (a because our defenders are older and slower and would get beat to the basket a lot and b to protect the paint)

anywho....

[cowboyuptx]

Originally Posted by Lor20

a) we didnt have enough money to sign all these guys at what they are making now
b) i dont think we repeat with chandler and the other guys. Lets face it - Kidd has been dropping in offensive productiveness and quickness for the last two years. We arent losing the games because we have bad D at center - especially not against okc with their center play being pretty unimpressive - as a matter of fact we are one of the best teams at making the other team take jump shots by giving them some space (a because our defenders are older and slower and would get beat to the basket a lot and b to protect the paint)

anywho....

So what, you think we're losing these games because Kidd isn't playing good D? Dude's averaging 5 steals per game in the series... One of the reasons they take jump-shots is because they don't wanna see Kidd with a triple-double in steals...

Also, Kidd isn't here to be offensively productive himself, he's here to make sure that the team is offensively productive...

His game's been dropping off the past couple years? How was it dropping in last season's championship run...

I can't wait until we comeback and win this series, then all you chicken-littles who are throwing in the towel can eat crow!

Don't be so sure that this team would be better with Deron Williams either, yes he can score, but he also leads the NBA in TO's, and he isn't near the defender that Kidd is...

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Lor20

a) we didnt have enough money to sign all these guys at what they are making now
b) i dont think we repeat with chandler and the other guys. Lets face it - Kidd has been dropping in offensive productiveness and quickness for the last two years. We arent losing the games because we have bad D at center - especially not against okc with their center play being pretty unimpressive - as a matter of fact we are one of the best teams at making the other team take jump shots by giving them some space (a because our defenders are older and slower and would get beat to the basket a lot and b to protect the paint)

anywho....

We win both of those games with chandler out there. There is a reason that everyone is afraid of playing tight on Westbrook and there is a reason that harden is going to the lane like there is no shot blocker in there.

We played dirk at center for the last 5 minutes or so. We've seen this movie before.

Center play is a LOT more than covering Perkins. Our pnr on westbrook is atrocious whenever we close out on three point shooters they get all of the way to the basket. Our zone sorta sucks right now. Our starting center can't stay on the floor because he can't keep up with ibaka or Perkins.

Our center play is stinky. And a rotten core makes everything else stinky as well.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by dude1394

We win both of those games with chandler out there. There is a reason that everyone is afraid of playing tight on Westbrook and there is a reason that harden is going to the lane like there is no shot blocker in there.

We played dirk at center for the last 5 minutes or so. We've seen this movie before.

Center play is a LOT more than covering Perkins. Our pnr on westbrook is atrocious whenever we close out on three point shooters they get all of the way to the basket. Our zone sorta sucks right now. Our starting center can't stay on the floor because he can't keep up with ibaka or Perkins.

Our center play is stinky. And a rotten core makes everything else stinky as well.

We've seen Dirk play with a clear cut top-10 center once in his entire career and that's the year the Mavericks went on a ridiculous tear through the playoffs and Nowitzki had one of the five greatest playoff runs in NBA history. He covers so many mistakes. It really makes you think 'if only' about the last 7 years.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

We've seen Dirk play with a clear cut top-10 center once in his entire career and that's the year the Mavericks went on a ridiculous tear through the playoffs and Nowitzki had one of the five greatest playoff runs in NBA history. He covers so many mistakes. It really makes you think 'if only' about the last 7 years.

Yup.. And we've seen what dirk can do with a top flight point as well, we just had to wait 5-6 years to get another one. Dirk will never play with another,center the quality of Ty.

[Lor20]

btw... i think this is going at least to 6... but tbh we have to many positions that are only nba average (pg, sg, c).
Marion/carter are above average and dirk is obviously in the top 2 or 3 on PF but i dont think this will be enough to repeat.
But really - this year is essentially a transitional year and we should be thankful we made the playoffs and are making it interesting in the games as a 7 seed vs a 2 seed.

So... im simply enjoying the games... even if losing at the buzzer really makes it difficult.

[markus1234]

You do not close out games if you can't get any stops (and fast breaks)

[twelli]

I think we didn't take advantage of the foul situation in the third. They had no fouls to give for most of the quarter and they had lot of players in foul trouble. Should have posted up more.

[tgfan]

Originally Posted by twelli

I think we didn't take advantage of the foul situation in the third. They had no fouls to give for most of the quarter and they had lot of players in foul trouble. Should have posted up more.

Bingo. That's where a coach is supposed to tell them to post up and drive the rim, to take advantage of the bonus.

[CaseyJones]

I refuse to be the fair weather fan who says get rid of Jet, because his game WILL come back, so we need to keep him. But for real, VC has been painfully inconsistent since day 1. Lets clear up cap room this summer for players that are willing to help a team make a good playoff run.

[mavsfan1000]

We rang before this season. Stay positive people. Just be happy with what we got.

[GhostFace]

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

We rang before this season. Stay positive people. Just be happy with what we got.

What we got? That we got into the playoffs? Please. We all want more and bloody deserve more. Everyone one of us knows this team is capable despite having the championship team blown up. We're at the brink and I can't wait to see us come back and slap your silly doubters all the back to whatever crevasse you managed to creep out from.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by GhostFace

What we got? That we got into the playoffs? Please. We all want more and bloody deserve more. Everyone one of us knows this team is capable despite having the championship team blown up. We're at the brink and I can't wait to see us come back and slap your silly doubters all the back to whatever crevasse you managed to creep out from.

You really believe we can beat OKC? They have clearly shown to be the younger and better team this year. And I thought we had a good chance to beat them early in the series and take that momentum to potenitally beat them. We didn't get it done unfortunately. But I am satisfied by last years win. I don't understand people that aren't satisfied with 1. Yes it is great to have more but that 1 cures a lot of unhappiness.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

You really believe we can beat OKC? They have clearly shown to be the younger and better team this year.

You are a fool and a troll. Go back to spurstalk.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

You are a fool and a troll. Go back to spurstalk.

No I'm not. I love the Mavs. No one was more hearbroken than me about 2006 and 2007. It was devastating. I think you misunderstood my message. All those terrible ghosts in the past were wiped away by finally winning a ring. Yes it still hurts to lose this year but thank God we finally got our ring before this miserable season happened.

[NorwegianMavsFan]

Oh, it just hurts. So many chances to get this one. Got plenty of stops, but why, oh why did we stop penetrating? Outside shots were not falling at all, but we got (almost) easy buckets inside, or FTs, through all of 3. and 4. quarter. Terry awful, Carter good on D, but no factor offensively. West, I thought, was good. He penetrated and got to the rim. Should have had him on the floor through the 4th.

Man this hurts. Its 7 in the morning here, and no reward. Gotta take a valium for the next game, cus this is too much to handle.

[fluid.forty.one]

I'm surprised so many people are putting the blame on VC. I might be in the minority, but I think his positives definitely outweighed his negatives tonight.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I'm surprised so many people are putting the blame on VC. I might be in the minority, but I think his positives definitely outweighed his negatives tonight.

Yeah, his shooting sucked, but everything else was good - especially his defense...

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I'm surprised so many people are putting the blame on VC. I might be in the minority, but I think his positives definitely outweighed his negatives tonight.

He def jacked up some shots in the 4th that we're questionable and too early in the shotclock. Even the one he made was a questionable shot. Granted, I was only able to see last 3 minutes of 3rd and all of 4th quarter.

[j0Shi]

We were in position two steal both ones and come up 0-2. That's frustrating.

[Bayliss]

Why would getting swept be humiliating? Every game so far has come down to the last shot.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Why would getting swept be humiliating? Every game so far has come down to the last shot.

Because defending champions don't get swept in the first round. They usually wait until the second, at least that's what my friends in Los Angeles tell me.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Because defending champions don't get swept in the first round. They usually wait until the second, at least that's what my friends in Los Angeles tell me.

Humiliating is going out like the Lakers did: By 40 and with players getting thrown out on legendarily cheap shots. Not by losing in games like these. Besides, the Mavs are going to win the next two.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Humiliating is going out like the Lakers did: By 40 and with players getting thrown out on legendarily cheap shots. Not by losing in games like these.

There's multiple ways to humiliate yourself. If the Mavs get swept, their consistently terrible late game execution and boneheaded decisions made while getting swept in a series for the first time in 22 years seems to qualify.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

There's multiple ways to humiliate yourself. If the Mavs get swept, their consistently terrible late game execution and boneheaded decisions made while getting swept in a series for the first time in 22 years seems to qualify.

You're wrong, IMO, and it doesn't even matter because the Mavs aren't going to get swept.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Why would getting swept be humiliating? Every game so far has come down to the last shot.

Because it will.

[fluid.forty.one]

Now I remember why I've stopped coming around so much during, and right after, games. The Mavs just played two extremely close and competitive games, and ya'll are acting like they're the knicks getting blown out by the heat. I'm proud of the effort of those first two games and I'm excited for them to kick some ass in game 3.

If the Mavs get the one bucket the needed in both games, are they suddenly "on par" with the Thunder talent and effort wise? Is the line that thin? It seems to me (very obviously, actually) that the Mavs are on these kids level and the next couple games should be very interesting.

[NorwegianMavsFan]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Now I remember why I've stopped coming around so much during, and right after, games. The Mavs just played two extremely close and competitive games, and ya'll are acting like they're the knicks getting blown out by the heat. I'm proud of the effort of those first two games and I'm excited for them to kick some ass in game 3.

+1 Though it still hurts

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Now I remember why I've stopped coming around so much during, and right after, games. The Mavs just played two extremely close and competitive games, and ya'll are acting like they're the knicks getting blown out by the heat. I'm proud of the effort of those first two games and I'm excited for them to kick some ass in game 3.

It's really fucking ridiculous to be honest. Someone saying Cuban lost his pass not even a year after bringing a title to Dallas! THE DALLAS MAVERICKS for christ sake. A franchise that has been a laughing stock for most of its existence and someone said Cuban already lost his pass.

Where the fuck do some of these people get the nerve? Sure the 2 losses hurt but my god have some perspective.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

It's really fucking ridiculous to be honest. Someone saying Cuban lost his pass not even a year after bringing a title to Dallas! THE DALLAS MAVERICKS for christ sake. A franchise that has been a laughing stock for most of its existence and someone said Cuban already lost his pass.

Where the fuck do some of these people get the nerve? Sure the 2 losses hurt but my god have some perspective.

Cuban doesn't get " a pass " and he's be the first one to say that about anyone working for him. IMO he royally screwed up not keeping chandler. We wont know how royally screwed up for a few years, but one thing I do know, this season and this team was screwed up big time by management.

[markus1234]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

The Mavs just played two extremely close and competitive games, and ya'll are acting like they're the knicks getting blown out by the heat.

Your philosophy reminds me of the Kobe press conferences after game 1, 2 and 3...

OKC is simply the better team this season. No matter how hard we try, we lose. OKC finds a way to beat us.

And let us stop talking about scoring margins. Thats Hollinger stuff and does not really matter. A L is a L.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by markus1234

Your philosophy reminds me of the Kobe press conferences after game 1, 2 and 3...

OKC is simply the better team this season. No matter how hard we try, we lose. OKC finds a way to beat us.

And let us stop talking about scoring margins. Thats Hollinger stuff and does not really matter. A L is a L.

The Mavs outplayed the Thunder for 47 minutes in game 1 and Durant hit a lucky shot (he said he couldnt see the rim), at home, in a game they should have won. That, at least to me, it easier to swallow than losing a game 1 at home like the Lakers did (and losing home court), and then losing a second game at home. So Kobe's justification seems a lot more far fetched than any beliefs the Mavs have about their chances going forward.

And yes margin of victory, in this instance, especially in combination with the feel and intensity of the game absolutely is a good way to determine how close these teams are in skill and willingness to win. You think the gap between Thunder and Mavs is as big as the Heat and Knicks? You think those losses are similar, especially for predicting what will happen going forward? You're out of your mind.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

The Mavs outplayed the Thunder for 47 minutes in game 1 and Durant hit a lucky shot (he said he couldnt see the rim), at home, in a game they should have won. That, at least to me, it easier to swallow than losing a game 1 at home like the Lakers did (and losing home court), and then losing a second game at home. So Kobe's justification seems a lot more far fetched than any beliefs the Mavs have about their chances going forward.

And yes margin of victory, in this instance, especially in combination with the feel and intensity of the game absolutely is a good way to determine how close these teams are in skill and willingness to win. You think the gap between Thunder and Mavs is as big as the Heat and Knicks? You think those losses are similar, especially for predicting what will happen going forward? You're out of your mind.

It's not the regular season Fluid. Wins are all that matter right now, and Dallas is down 2-0 and has shown an innate ability to give games away down the stretch. I don't know where all this rah rah rah talk is coming from. The Mavs now have to win 4 out of 5 against OKC, with 3 games on the road. And oh yeah, they're playing like garbage in crunch time and have been all year. And OKC has the second, third, fourth, and fifth best player in the series.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

The Mavs now have to win 4 out of 5 against OKC, with 3 games on the road. And oh yeah, they're playing like garbage in crunch time and have been all year.

So the Mavs have to play FIVE games on the road against the Thunder? Ok we need to take this to Stern's front door!

[beatLA]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Now I remember why I've stopped coming around so much during, and right after, games. The Mavs just played two extremely close and competitive games, and ya'll are acting like they're the knicks getting blown out by the heat. I'm proud of the effort of those first two games and I'm excited for them to kick some ass in game 3.

If the Mavs get the one bucket the needed in both games, are they suddenly "on par" with the Thunder talent and effort wise? Is the line that thin? It seems to me (very obviously, actually) that the Mavs are on these kids level and the next couple games should be very interesting.

this is my favorite post!

[Flacolaco]

A little more Dirk here. A little more Jet there.

I am watching this series with a certain....curiosity... my buttocks slid back a few inches from where it was last year and every year before that. The knowledge of that ring already in the bag cushions these blows and I sort of just feel proud of these guys for getting as close to winning both of those games as they were. Carlisle and Dirk are doing as much as Cuban enabled them to in the off-season. It is what it is.

I don't mean to be defeatist. I am still just a very satisfied guy where Mavs bball is concerned. And some of these guys are looking so tired. So worn out. They did well. Even in earning zero wins in that wasteland of a city.

That being said... I will root against this OKC team vehemently in each round. Even in the Finals. Against that one team. You know the one. There is NO EFFING WAY that a fan "base" that's had a team for about 8 seconds should win a title. That's not fair. That's not the way it should work. And those cocky, narcissistic, young, overly enthusiastic a-holes can STFU as far as I'm concerned. Even their coach is an over-reacting POS MFer. Screw the lot of them.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

A little more Dirk here. A little more Jet there.

I am watching this series with a certain....curiosity... my buttocks slid back a few inches from where it was last year and every year before that. The knowledge of that ring already in the bag cushions these blows and I sort of just feel proud of these guys for getting as close to winning both of those games as they were. Carlisle and Dirk are doing as much as Cuban enabled them to in the off-season. It is what it is.

I don't mean to be defeatist. I am still just a very satisfied guy where Mavs bball is concerned. And some of these guys are looking so tired. So worn out. They did well. Even in earning zero wins in that wasteland of a city.

That being said... I will root against this OKC team vehemently in each round. Even in the Finals. Against that one team. You know the one. There is NO EFFING WAY that a fan "base" that's had a team for about 8 seconds should win a title. That's not fair. That's not the way it should work. And those cocky, narcissistic, young, overly enthusiastic a-holes can STFU as far as I'm concerned. Even their coach is an over-reacting POS MFer. Screw the lot of them.

Yuuuuup.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

A little more Dirk here. A little more Jet there.

I am watching this series with a certain....curiosity... my buttocks slid back a few inches from where it was last year and every year before that. The knowledge of that ring already in the bag cushions these blows and I sort of just feel proud of these guys for getting as close to winning both of those games as they were. Carlisle and Dirk are doing as much as Cuban enabled them to in the off-season. It is what it is.

I don't mean to be defeatist. I am still just a very satisfied guy where Mavs bball is concerned. And some of these guys are looking so tired. So worn out. They did well. Even in earning zero wins in that wasteland of a city.

That being said... I will root against this OKC team vehemently in each round. Even in the Finals. Against that one team. You know the one. There is NO EFFING WAY that a fan "base" that's had a team for about 8 seconds should win a title. That's not fair. That's not the way it should work. And those cocky, narcissistic, young, overly enthusiastic a-holes can STFU as far as I'm concerned. Even their coach is an over-reacting POS MFer. Screw the lot of them.

Now were talking!

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Westbrook is underrated, yes Durant won the scoring title but guess who was 5th in scoring at 23.6 ppg? That's an amazing stat as a 2nd option.

I say Westbrook = Rose. If Westbrook was the #1 scoring option on a team he'd be just like Rose. Everyone just hates him because he's a great scorer but he has an even better scorer in Durant. So people think Durant should score 40 a night and Westbrook should score 10.

[mav4ever]

when all 3 of your centers combine for a total of 6 rebounds its gonna be tough to win games