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Old 11-17-2008, 10:13 PM   #41
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Kaman would involve at least Josh, Bass, Stack and maybe more. I dunno the numbers, but for value/talent that might not even be enough in Dunleavy's view. Like it was said in the article, you'll expect a lot in return when you're givin' up a solid big man. I'd like having him here, but I don't see it as an option.

Wallace, as Diop's value continues to fall downward...I don't see that as a matching partner anymore.

That tidbit about the yelpers was pretty interesting. You can pretty much peg any of the "younger guys" in that role: Green, Wright, Bass, and maybe in a stretch: Diop. Acting professional strikes me as a shot at Green. He always seems angry when he has to sit down and there have been character issues in his past.

We've already discussed Stack...

Why does it seem we're slowly getting closer to Marbury coming to Dallas?
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How many years do we have to sit back and pretend that our problems are at the point guard position. It has been obvious for years that we lack an offensive presence at the center position. What have we seen?... pieces moving around in every position EXCEPT the center position. I personally am exhausted with the so-called "We-Love-Our Team" BS. We have pieces that we could trade to get what we need. It's time to get real. NO EXCUSES! From now on our moto should be, "If he has to go, he has to go."
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Why does it seem we're slowly getting closer to Marbury coming to Dallas?
I've talked about this before, I would LOVE, absolutely LOVE to trade for Marbury. Between him and Kidd we'd nearly 50 mil coming off the books. It's just not gonna happen. NY wants to clear space for LeBron.
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How many years do we have to sit back and pretend that our problems are at the point guard position. It has been obvious for years that we lack an offensive presence at the center position. What have we seen?... pieces moving around in every position EXCEPT the center position. I personally am exhausted with the so-called "We-Love-Our Team" BS. We have pieces that we could trade to get what we need. It's time to get real. NO EXCUSES! From now on our moto should be, "If he has to go, he has to go."
How many years? Zero. Our title run is OVER. I think everyone needs to accept that now. Last year was our last chance.

But you're right. Our lack of post-scoring was crucial in our losses to Golden State and Miami. I would also argue though that our weakness at SG has been even more glaring over the years.
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How many years? Zero. Our title run is OVER. I think everyone needs to accept that now. Last year was our last chance.

But you're right. Our lack of post-scoring was crucial in our losses to Golden State and Miami. I would also argue though that our weakness at SG has been even more glaring over the years.
I think it was during the offsesaon or late in the playoffs we were discussing which was the bigger whole: a legit SG or a Big Man with the low-post presence. They are two massive holes we've had for quite a while, no doubt.

Either option would bring a huge difference to the squad, and I honestly don't see either of them as a wrong answer.

As for Marbury, I can't imagine he gets traded.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:30 AM   #51
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I don't understand what you guys want in a trade for Stack... No team in their right mind is going to give up draft picks or young talent for him, so really the only other options are either a one for one swap for a player in a similar situation to Stack (move sideways, but I can't think of any other talented veteran players who are playing as poorly as Stack and have an expiring contract) or trade him for salary that extends past this season (maybe a slight upgrade talent wise, but this would most likely be the trade Isiah Thomas would make...)

I guess my point is this, Stackhouse's value at this time is as a throw-in in a bigger trade to make salaries match up, and that is his only value as far as I can see. His desire to be traded shouldn't figure into our plans to trade him, because you don't make a trade simply because the worst player involved in the trade is asking for it.
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Wait Stack WANTS to be traded?


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Why does everyone want to get rid of Stackhouse? I mean, where are we going to find a replacement for his 29% field goal shooting?
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Any package involving Howard for Kaman would be a lateral move at best. Considering they have Al Thorton, I don't see why the Clippers would want Josh howard anyway.

Why is Kaman even being discussed? I think the dude sucks.
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I'd be down for joining the team.
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I wonder what Stack's definition of "good basketball" is.
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He might have a place on a WNBA team, and we could probably get a better player back for Stack from that WNBA team.
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It seems to me that the front office stepped in and forced Stackhouse out. I said that they should have done that because the guy doesn't have it anymore. You just can't stand by and watch a coach play a guy who is shooting 29% from the field and 18% from the three. Loyalty only goes so far.
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Any package involving Howard for Kaman would be a lateral move at best. Considering they have Al Thorton, I don't see why the Clippers would want Josh howard anyway.

Why is Kaman even being discussed? I think the dude sucks.
Sucks? Good lord man, he's a big step over anything we have right now. I only wish we could trade for him. Not if it costs us Howard though.
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Any package involving Howard for Kaman would be a lateral move at best. Considering they have Al Thorton, I don't see why the Clippers would want Josh howard anyway.

Why is Kaman even being discussed? I think the dude sucks.

Thornton can definitely play the four (or Josh the two)... I think a basic package centered around Josh/Diop for Kaman would benefit both teams dramatically...
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Lets do something to get Mike Miller in here!
Another shooter? WHY?! Mavs need a slasher that takes it to the rack!
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Would've been nice to (actually) package Stack's useless ass in the Kidd deal so we could have used the Van Horn contract to pick up another player...
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He's not "another" shooter - he's a "better" shooter...

Miller is 42% from beyond the arc and is better at rebounding, assists, and defense than Jason Terry... He'd be a beast in Carlisle's system with Kidd at the helm (if there was any way we could get him here...)
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I would take it...
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It would be the perfect time for Dallas to make a move now... it'll help take some of the spotlight off of Cuban's latest antics.
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If Carlisle's system gets Stackhouse out of Dallas--and nets us something in return--then his first season here is at least a partial success already, despite the .300 record. Avery would probably be giving Stack more minutes right now.
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Stack/Bass/Diop for Wallace

Stack is a hometown hero, Charlotte is very unhappy with their power forward and they offered Diop the full mid-level this summer

We would be a little weak at Center, but stacked at the other four

Damp/Singleton
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Backup point and Center we would still have to address, maybe charlotte wants to dump Feltons salary too?
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If Cubes goes to prison and/or has to pay bazillions of dollars in fines, does that hurt this team's financial position? Maybe he decides to blow it up now.
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If Cubes goes to prison and/or has to pay bazillions of dollars in fines, does that hurt this team's financial position? Maybe he decides to blow it up now.
"$750k & no jail time" is what the legal experts 'round these parts are saying...
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You guys can hate on Stack as much as you want, but when he first got here he did play with alot of heart, he played hard and he played well too. He's sucked for a while now but I still respect Stack, I wish he could have won that ring in 2006 with us...
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It would be the perfect time for Dallas to make a move now... it'll help take some of the spotlight off of Cuban's latest antics.

I think this was 4 years ago...
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What about all the funny brawl stories?

We already lost avery and malik rose nude wrestling in the shower. Now we wanna get rid of Stack beating kirk to a pulp in the AAC?
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"$750k & no jail time" is what the legal experts 'round these parts are saying...
So basically just paying what he would have lost anyway? That seems like a slap on the wrist. I figured they'd Martha Stewart his ass...

Wonder if Stern will try to suspend him over this, or take some kind of action. He's had it in for Cubes for a while.
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Wonder if Stern will try to suspend him over this, or take some kind of action. He's had it in for Cubes for a while.
I'm wondering what Stern can even do to Cuban if the courts don't crucify him - it's not like Cubes did anything that concerned the NBA (I mean, I've seen players get away with worse off-court issues...)
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Stack/Bass/Diop for Wallace

Stack is a hometown hero, Charlotte is very unhappy with their power forward and they offered Diop the full mid-level this summer

We would be a little weak at Center, but stacked at the other four

Damp/Singleton
Dirk/Singleton/Williams
Wallace/GG/Williams
Howard/Terry/GG/Wright
Kidd/Terry/Barea

Backup point and Center we would still have to address, maybe charlotte wants to dump Feltons salary too?
I like this move a lot.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJz6Op1cBTQ

the last time a maverick not named Dirk showed any gusto
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Howard at SG, Wallace at SF... the outside shooting of that unit seems like it would suck.
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What's the earliest we can trade Devean George? Would be nice if we can package him along with Stack, as well.

Stack/George/Bass/Cash for Miller/Bad Contract

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Stack/George/Bass/Diop/Cash for Kaman/Bad Contract


Throw in a 2nd rounder or two if they insist.
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