04-26-2015, 11:03 PM
|
#41
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
Blow your cap with Ellis, Tyson and Aminu. Bring Barea back.
Then pray for a miracle regarding a backup center and starting PG...
But if Aminu keeps on gettting better i like the forward rotation Parsons-Dirk-Aminu
Last edited by sefant77; 04-26-2015 at 11:14 PM.
|
|
|
04-26-2015, 11:05 PM
|
#42
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,694
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker
Our starting lineup next season should be Ellis/Parsons/Aminu/Dirk/Chandler
|
This... actually intrigues me a lot. My only question is... can Ellis be a guy to look for others as much as himself consistently? Will being pg diminish his scoring? Compared to other realistic options though I'm intrigued.
|
|
|
04-26-2015, 11:20 PM
|
#43
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,908
|
Serious question: would we be okay if Barea was the starting PG next season? I know it sounds bad... but if we can get a big shooting guard that can defend to put next to JJ and use Monta as a 6th man, it might work. Then we won't have to blow a ton of money on a PG and we can resign Tyson, Monta, Aminu, and maybe Amare.
|
|
|
04-26-2015, 11:23 PM
|
#44
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinsanity
Serious question: would we be okay if Barea was the starting PG next season? I know it sounds bad... but if we can get a big shooting guard that can defend to put next to JJ and use Monta as a 6th man, it might work. Then we won't have to blow a ton of money on a PG and we can resign Tyson, Monta, Aminu, and maybe Amare.
|
No...it works right now because the Houston PGs are 37 old Terry and Prignoni. 2011 it worked because Kidd was 10x the defender Ellis is.
Barea is a backup. We are just lucky that we catch a break here with Terry/Prignoni.
|
|
|
04-26-2015, 11:43 PM
|
#45
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,908
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
No...it works right now because the Houston PGs are 37 old Terry and Prignoni. 2011 it worked because Kidd was 10x the defender Ellis is.
Barea is a backup. We are just lucky that we catch a break here with Terry/Prignoni.
|
Fair point. I guess somebody is gonna get left out... probably Amare. It's gonna be a challenge resigning our guys (Monta/Tyson/Aminu) and signing a legit starting PG.
|
|
|
04-26-2015, 11:52 PM
|
#46
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
I dont see any realistic tall 3&d guy available. This guys are too valued in these years.
I think a solid and realistic option is trading Feltons expiring contract + throw ins (2nd) for J.Jack. I think the Nets still wanna blow this team up. Solid size, solid defense, solid overall package (for a cheap price).
Jack/Barea
Ellis/Harris
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Aminu
Tyson/new backup via trade (maybe our 1st as throw in)
I think thats pretty much the best option for us this summer without any pipedreams
Last edited by sefant77; 04-26-2015 at 11:53 PM.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 12:00 AM
|
#47
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,472
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson
This... actually intrigues me a lot. My only question is... can Ellis be a guy to look for others as much as himself consistently? Will being pg diminish his scoring? Compared to other realistic options though I'm intrigued.
|
I'm not sure how that lineup would work against the elite PGs of the West but if we can't get anyone who is either a great defender with some size or a damn good pg I'd just rather go with Ellis and take our chances as long as Aminu is in the starting lineup.
The biggest problem with that is getting Rick to understand small ball isn't always the answer.
My guess is that Harris will be our starter next season.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 12:03 AM
|
#48
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
I'd take Mathews if he's healthy and Portland implodes
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 01:03 AM
|
#49
|
The Preacha
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Rock
Posts: 36,066
|
I don't like Ellis' game. Too limited and streaky offensively & atrocious defensively.
I'd much rather "D Up" as a team identity and bet on Wes Matthews making a full recovery. Risky and expensive (though not as expensive as it would be if he hadn't gotten injured?), but the potential offense/defense balance of a Harris, Matthews, Parsons, Aminu, Chandler line up with Dirk carrying your offensive punch off the bench is an idea I like.
Thoughts?
__________________
ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 02:19 AM
|
#50
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 992
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
I don't like Ellis' game. Too limited and streaky offensively & atrocious defensively.
I'd much rather "D Up" as a team identity and bet on Wes Matthews making a full recovery. Risky and expensive (though not as expensive as it would be if he hadn't gotten injured?), but the potential offense/defense balance of a Harris, Matthews, Parsons, Aminu, Chandler line up with Dirk carrying your offensive punch off the bench is an idea I like.
Thoughts?
|
Matthews would be a nice gamble cause his D is on another level to Ellis and hes a streaky Shooter.
But without Ellis we need some kind of Slasher that can take it to the Rim.
Ellis is great at times but his Offense cant make up for his horrible D most of the time.
Harden is playing the same shitty Defense but is on another level offensively so he can make up for that.
__________________
-------------------------------------------------
Baller from the G'
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 07:11 AM
|
#51
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
Had a nice dream...
Ellis
Giannis
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Aminu
Chandler
Size and playmaking everywhere...thanks Mark.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 07:13 AM
|
#52
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Enemy territory (SA)
Posts: 3,306
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
Had a nice dream...
Ellis
Giannis
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Aminu
Chandler
Size and playmaking everywhere...thanks Mark.
|
I usually enjoy your posts dude but you've been mentioning your Giannis gripes in every thread. Trust me you're preaching to the choir.
__________________
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 08:58 AM
|
#53
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 528
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
I don't like Ellis' game. Too limited and streaky offensively & atrocious defensively.
I'd much rather "D Up" as a team identity and bet on Wes Matthews making a full recovery. Risky and expensive (though not as expensive as it would be if he hadn't gotten injured?), but the potential offense/defense balance of a Harris, Matthews, Parsons, Aminu, Chandler line up with Dirk carrying your offensive punch off the bench is an idea I like.
Thoughts?
|
I think if you loose Ellis without adding a consistent 20 PPG scorer, the Mavs will struggle to score 85 PPG and will head to the lottery. Without a player capable of taking over a game offensively, teams will struggle. Folks like to point to the Spurs as a shared load team, but that's never been the case as they've always had Duncan and that's being handed over to Leonard. Look at how Atlanta struggled after the ASB and now are having trouble with the Nets. Dirk can no longer be that player. I just don't see it in Parsons. And unless we land Lamarcus Aldridge, I just don't see any other realistically available FA who can serve in that role either.
__________________
“You can’t throw the ball through the nose of a defender and have it come out his a–hole to a teammate.”
– Rick Carlisle
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 09:07 AM
|
#54
|
The Preacha
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Rock
Posts: 36,066
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanStandard
Matthews would be a nice gamble cause his D is on another level to Ellis and hes a streaky Shooter.
|
Matthews is better than 39% from 3pt for his career. I'll take that in combination his is lock down defense.
Danny Green is better than 42% for his career. I'll take that as well.
Any hope I'd have for acquiring either player helping us become true contenders is also relying on the idea/hope that Parsons and Aminu can reach new levels given the opportunity.
__________________
ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 09:29 AM
|
#55
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tap2390
I usually enjoy your posts dude but you've been mentioning your Giannis gripes in every thread. Trust me you're preaching to the choir.
|
Just in the fire Donnie thread..
But look at the Spurs, in 2011 everyone thought they are almost done and over the hill. Then they scouted the draft and thought Leonard is the diamond there and traded (as win now team) George Hill away. And nailed it.
Pretty similar to our situation where we finally had a late lottery pick and Donnie was ready to take the diamond in the draft. Im not talking that Giannis will reach Leonards level but re-do the 2012 draft and a lot of people say Giannis would go #1. Or minimum top-3
Last edited by sefant77; 04-27-2015 at 09:30 AM.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 09:40 AM
|
#56
|
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 41.21.1
Posts: 36,143
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
I don't like Ellis' game. Too limited and streaky offensively & atrocious defensively.
I'd much rather "D Up" as a team identity and bet on Wes Matthews making a full recovery. Risky and expensive (though not as expensive as it would be if he hadn't gotten injured?), but the potential offense/defense balance of a Harris, Matthews, Parsons, Aminu, Chandler line up with Dirk carrying your offensive punch off the bench is an idea I like.
Thoughts?
|
Here's my thoughts on Ellis, as well as the idea of Barea starting next season:
118
111
130
109
Let the fact that we're giving up 117 points per game in the playoffs dictate all offseason moves...
__________________
These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 09:56 AM
|
#57
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Enemy territory (SA)
Posts: 3,306
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
Just in the fire Donnie thread..
But look at the Spurs, in 2011 everyone thought they are almost done and over the hill. Then they scouted the draft and thought Leonard is the diamond there and traded (as win now team) George Hill away. And nailed it.
Pretty similar to our situation where we finally had a late lottery pick and Donnie was ready to take the diamond in the draft. Im not talking that Giannis will reach Leonards level but re-do the 2012 draft and a lot of people say Giannis would go #1. Or minimum top-3
|
I agree… And Donnie wanted him bad… Cuban screwed us with his lackadaisical attitude towards the draft. I think most fans agree with you.
__________________
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 09:58 AM
|
#58
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 992
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
Just in the fire Donnie thread..
But look at the Spurs, in 2011 everyone thought they are almost done and over the hill. Then they scouted the draft and thought Leonard is the diamond there and traded (as win now team) George Hill away. And nailed it.
Pretty similar to our situation where we finally had a late lottery pick and Donnie was ready to take the diamond in the draft. Im not talking that Giannis will reach Leonards level but re-do the 2012 draft and a lot of people say Giannis would go #1. Or minimum top-3
|
His hand size alone warrants a Top5 Pick .
I was begging for either Giannis or Dennis Schröder.
Both would have been impact Players on this team now..
__________________
-------------------------------------------------
Baller from the G'
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 11:04 AM
|
#59
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 528
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
Matthews is better than 39% from 3pt for his career. I'll take that in combination his is lock down defense.
Danny Green is better than 42% for his career. I'll take that as well.
Any hope I'd have for acquiring either player helping us become true contenders is also relying on the idea/hope that Parsons and Aminu can reach new levels given the opportunity.
|
Either guy would be nice to have as a #2 option next to a prolific scorer who would draw doubles giving them open shots. I've not seen much to believe either (nor Parsons) could be the #1 scoring option on a playoff contender.
__________________
“You can’t throw the ball through the nose of a defender and have it come out his a–hole to a teammate.”
– Rick Carlisle
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 12:42 PM
|
#60
|
The Preacha
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Rock
Posts: 36,066
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee
Either guy would be nice to have as a #2 option next to a prolific scorer who would draw doubles giving them open shots. I've not seen much to believe either (nor Parsons) could be the #1 scoring option on a playoff contender.
|
Exactly. But unless you want to pay Ellis (or endure more of his defense), Parsons as "the guy" might be the only realistic option the Mavs have to improve.
Even though I appreciate his heart, I've seen enough to know that I don't want to bet on Ellis' game to lead us anywhere.
__________________
ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 12:59 PM
|
#61
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Dallas
Posts: 690
|
Do you guys know of any 3&D players available this offseason? We really need some 3 point shooting without sacrificing defense off the bench.
__________________
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 01:00 PM
|
#62
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,472
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
Exactly. But unless you want to pay Ellis (or endure more of his defense), Parsons as "the guy" might be the only realistic option the Mavs have to improve.
Even though I appreciate his heart, I've seen enough to know that I don't want to bet on Ellis' game to lead us anywhere.
|
We need more 2-way players on this team. Dirk and Monta are and will be defensive liabilities so we need a lock down defending PG if we keep Ellis. Jack has been mentioned and I could probably live with him but I don't see us going far with that backcourt.
I still think Aminu has to be a priority in off season because there seems to be an upside to his offensive game so he could become a good (or great) 2-way player.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 01:23 PM
|
#63
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsar
Do you guys know of any 3&D players available this offseason? We really need some 3 point shooting without sacrificing defense off the bench.
|
Not many in general and even fewer when you look at this FA period. If you don't mind 30% guys, things open up a bit, though.
Wesley Mathews (38.9%)? Is he leaving? Can he get/stay healthy?
Jae Crowder - Can he play SG? Is 30% enough?
Alan Anderson - 34.8%- not great defensively, though
Mo Williams - 34.2% - not great defensively, though, and small
Jimmy Butler - 37.8% - Exactly who you want, but exactly who everyone else wants, too. Will get maxed out and is an RFA making an offer highly unlikely
Mike Miller - 32.8% - has PO, but doesn't play D and will probably stay once Love/Lebron decide to.
J.R. Smith - 38.3% - you want that headache? Also loses interest on D
Jameer Nelson - 34.5%- no D and was pretty awful here.
Reggie JAckson - 29.9% - Arrogant/huge ego and not terribly effective considering
Tayshawn Prince - 46.3% - old as dirt and no longer a defensive stalwart. Worth a look off the bench, I suppose
Patrick Beverley - 35.6% - decent at both defense and shooting
Hedo Turkoglu - 43.2% - pretty awful defensively, but a decent Peja-type off the bench
Wayne Ellington - 37.0% - worth another look?
Jeff Green - 33.3% - great, but will probably accept PO to stay in Memphis. Also plays PF/SF
Goran Dragic - 34.7% - not known for his D. Also already ruled us out according to rumors. Decent bigger PG who could play with Ellis. Will probably ask for too much and not even return our calls.
Deng - 35.5% - good 3/D guy who may explore FA or may accept PO. Can't really play guard spots, though.
Khris Middleton - 40.7% - my personal choice and may come cheaper than Mathews. Can do both 3 and D, although he is restricted.
Gary Neal - 30.5% - not really good at either
Eric Gordon - 44.8% - probably too expensive for us, but worth a look
Arron Aflallo - 35.4% - good competitor who brings 3/D - player option, though
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 02:16 PM
|
#64
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,472
|
Any chance this could work?
Barea/Harris
Afflalo/Ellis
Parsons/Jefferson
Aminu/Dirk/Powell
Chandler/Mihinmi(our pick + Felton)/Sarge
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 02:19 PM
|
#65
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: state of eternal optimism
Posts: 2,854
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Not many in general and even fewer when you look at this FA period. If you don't mind 30% guys, things open up a bit, though.
Wesley Mathews (38.9%)? Is he leaving? Can he get/stay healthy?
Jae Crowder - Can he play SG? Is 30% enough?
Alan Anderson - 34.8%- not great defensively, though
Mo Williams - 34.2% - not great defensively, though, and small
Jimmy Butler - 37.8% - Exactly who you want, but exactly who everyone else wants, too. Will get maxed out and is an RFA making an offer highly unlikely
Mike Miller - 32.8% - has PO, but doesn't play D and will probably stay once Love/Lebron decide to.
J.R. Smith - 38.3% - you want that headache? Also loses interest on D
Jameer Nelson - 34.5%- no D and was pretty awful here.
Reggie JAckson - 29.9% - Arrogant/huge ego and not terribly effective considering
Tayshawn Prince - 46.3% - old as dirt and no longer a defensive stalwart. Worth a look off the bench, I suppose
Patrick Beverley - 35.6% - decent at both defense and shooting
Hedo Turkoglu - 43.2% - pretty awful defensively, but a decent Peja-type off the bench
Wayne Ellington - 37.0% - worth another look?
Jeff Green - 33.3% - great, but will probably accept PO to stay in Memphis. Also plays PF/SF
Goran Dragic - 34.7% - not known for his D. Also already ruled us out according to rumors. Decent bigger PG who could play with Ellis. Will probably ask for too much and not even return our calls.
Deng - 35.5% - good 3/D guy who may explore FA or may accept PO. Can't really play guard spots, though.
Khris Middleton - 40.7% - my personal choice and may come cheaper than Mathews. Can do both 3 and D, although he is restricted.
Gary Neal - 30.5% - not really good at either
Eric Gordon - 44.8% - probably too expensive for us, but worth a look
Arron Aflallo - 35.4% - good competitor who brings 3/D - player option, though
|
After looking at this list for realistic starters in the backcourt, I conclude the best option is to go with this idea (offered up in an earlier post by rimrocker):
Ellis
Parsons
Aminu
Dirk
Chandler
Parsons can play SG on offense and, depending on the opponent, either SG or SF on defense. For example:
Against the Rockets
Aminu guards Harden; Parsons gets Ariza
Against the Warriors
Aminu gets Curry; Ellis gets Thompson; Parsons gets Green/Barnes
Against the Spurs
Aminu gets Leonard; Parsons gets Green; Ellis gets Parker
Against the Clippers
Aminu gets Paul; Ellis gets Reddick; Parsons gets Barnes
On offense, Parsons can help initiate the offense and serve as the spot up shooter.
The offseason is used to shore up the bench (still a tough task). You're set at PG if you can bring back JJ (include Devin and Felton unless either gets traded), but you need back-ups at each of the other positions with an emphasis on defense and rebounding, but adding a couple of 3pt specialists for those times when everyone goes cold. I have no idea how this would work given cap constraints, but it seems to me that the best way to move forward is to keep the core together (starting five + JJ and Devin) and build around it with role players.
I have grown tired of the annual roster shake-up. It's not good for Dirk or the team over the immediate future. Dirk, Ellis, Parsons, Aminu,and Chandler should be enough to stay competitive and give us something to cheer about. When the cap takes a huge increase the following year, then you might be able to add a significant piece to the puzzle.
__________________
"Truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it. But there it is." - Winston Churchill
Last edited by purplefrog; 04-27-2015 at 02:23 PM.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 02:41 PM
|
#66
|
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 41.21.1
Posts: 36,143
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by purplefrog
After looking at this list for realistic starters in the backcourt, I conclude the best option is to go with this idea (offered up in an earlier post by rimrocker):
Ellis
Parsons
Aminu
Dirk
Chandler
Parsons can play SG on offense and, depending on the opponent, either SG or SF on defense.
|
I like the idea of a 6-9 SG and think Parsons could be up to the task, especially if he switches to SF on defense... Although I'm not interested in Ellis playing the PG position at all. But find another point and I could get behind that lineup.
__________________
These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 02:58 PM
|
#67
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 528
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
Exactly. But unless you want to pay Ellis (or endure more of his defense), Parsons as "the guy" might be the only realistic option the Mavs have to improve.
Even though I appreciate his heart, I've seen enough to know that I don't want to bet on Ellis' game to lead us anywhere.
|
It's not a bet on Ellis, you know exactly what you have and a good idea of the pieces to put around him to succeed. The bet is whether the current #3 option (Parsons) can be a #1 or if another teams #3 or #4 option can be a #1 and the answer to both is probably not. There is a strong case to be made for roster continuity, look around the west, how many playoff teams have more than 1 new starter from the prior year? We saw at the beginning of the year and in the last 2 games post Rondo what an offensive asset Ellis can be. Even if Ellis can't lead a team to a title, I'd rather see a Mavs team losing 130-120 in the playoffs than 90-85 heading to the lottery. And let's face it, the Mavs will never be a defensively dominate team while Dirk is still starting.
__________________
“You can’t throw the ball through the nose of a defender and have it come out his a–hole to a teammate.”
– Rick Carlisle
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 03:03 PM
|
#68
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,549
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Not many in general and even fewer when you look at this FA period. If you don't mind 30% guys, things open up a bit, though.
Wesley Mathews (38.9%)? Is he leaving? Can he get/stay healthy?
Jae Crowder - Can he play SG? Is 30% enough?
Alan Anderson - 34.8%- not great defensively, though
Mo Williams - 34.2% - not great defensively, though, and small
Jimmy Butler - 37.8% - Exactly who you want, but exactly who everyone else wants, too. Will get maxed out and is an RFA making an offer highly unlikely
Mike Miller - 32.8% - has PO, but doesn't play D and will probably stay once Love/Lebron decide to.
J.R. Smith - 38.3% - you want that headache? Also loses interest on D
Jameer Nelson - 34.5%- no D and was pretty awful here.
Reggie JAckson - 29.9% - Arrogant/huge ego and not terribly effective considering
Tayshawn Prince - 46.3% - old as dirt and no longer a defensive stalwart. Worth a look off the bench, I suppose
Patrick Beverley - 35.6% - decent at both defense and shooting
Hedo Turkoglu - 43.2% - pretty awful defensively, but a decent Peja-type off the bench
Wayne Ellington - 37.0% - worth another look?
Jeff Green - 33.3% - great, but will probably accept PO to stay in Memphis. Also plays PF/SF
Goran Dragic - 34.7% - not known for his D. Also already ruled us out according to rumors. Decent bigger PG who could play with Ellis. Will probably ask for too much and not even return our calls.
Deng - 35.5% - good 3/D guy who may explore FA or may accept PO. Can't really play guard spots, though.
Khris Middleton - 40.7% - my personal choice and may come cheaper than Mathews. Can do both 3 and D, although he is restricted.
Gary Neal - 30.5% - not really good at either
Eric Gordon - 44.8% - probably too expensive for us, but worth a look
Arron Aflallo - 35.4% - good competitor who brings 3/D - player option, though
|
Eric Gordon has a player option for like 16 million will probably opt in.
I'd add Wes Johnson and Gerald Henderson(player option)to this list. Maybe Dunleavy.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 03:23 PM
|
#69
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,793
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
I dont see any realistic tall 3&d guy available. This guys are too valued in these years.
I think a solid and realistic option is trading Feltons expiring contract + throw ins (2nd) for J.Jack. I think the Nets still wanna blow this team up. Solid size, solid defense, solid overall package (for a cheap price).
Jack/Barea
Ellis/Harris
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Aminu
Tyson/new backup via trade (maybe our 1st as throw in)
I think thats pretty much the best option for us this summer without any pipedreams
|
Very realistic look at next season's roster. Ive always liked Jarrett Jack and he'd be a great PG in Carlisle's system. I cant in anyway imagine our starting 5 being much different than what it is right now. Mavs cant keep turning over the roster and expecting lightning in a bottle. Develop some continuity please.
__________________
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 03:37 PM
|
#70
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,694
|
Monta is the #1 because he can always create a clean look. The problem is that clean look is an awful shot for him. The Monta that attacks the rim would be missed if he isn't here next year. The Monta who doesn't let anyone touch the ball in the last 5mins and the one RC for some strange reason allows to do this over and over would not be missed. Especially if people are wanting to see a bigger role for CP. If monta is moody about his money like reports suggest then how would he respond when CP is getting his closing opportunities?
If I'm totally honest about Monta... I have absolutely no idea when I will love him and I also have absolutely no idea when I will hate his very existence.... and it's on a game by game basis unfortunately because that is seemingly who he is. If he opts in ok. If he wants 12+.... I'm not sure anymore, with the Rondo failure, how I'd feel about that. Especially considering I already booked my seat on Wes Matthews express if he opts out.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 03:42 PM
|
#71
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 528
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson
Monta is the #1 because he can always create a clean look. The problem is that clean look is an awful shot for him. The Monta that attacks the rim would be missed if he isn't here next year. The Monta who doesn't let anyone touch the ball in the last 5mins and the one RC for some strange reason allows to do this over and over would not be missed. Especially if people are wanting to see a bigger role for CP. If monta is moody about his money like reports suggest then how would he respond when CP is getting his closing opportunities?
If I'm totally honest about Monta... I have absolutely no idea when I will love him and I also have absolutely no idea when I will hate his very existence.... and it's on a game by game basis unfortunately because that is seemingly who he is. If he opts in ok. If he wants 12+.... I'm not sure anymore, with the Rondo failure, how I'd feel about that. Especially considering I already booked my seat on Wes Matthews express if he opts out.
|
Said it before and I'll say it again. I have absolutely no faith that another team's #3 option can become the #1 option on the the Mavs offensively. The only Trailblazer I'd be on board for is Lamarcus Aldridge, otherwise I'm for bringing back the starting 4 (minus Rondo) and building from there.
__________________
“You can’t throw the ball through the nose of a defender and have it come out his a–hole to a teammate.”
– Rick Carlisle
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 03:43 PM
|
#72
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,472
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
I like the idea of a 6-9 SG and think Parsons could be up to the task, especially if he switches to SF on defense... Although I'm not interested in Ellis playing the PG position at all. But find another point and I could get behind that lineup.
|
I hate the thought of Ellis playing PG too but if he is going to dominate the ball we might as well surround him with bigger and better defenders. Plus Parsons would become more involved if he is able to initiate plays.
Aminu has become my new favorite Mav (over Barea) and if we are keeping Ellis and continue starting Dirk we desperately need a lock down perimeter defender.
Now if Ellis would come off the bench I think I could live with Barea as our starter knowing we have a solid perimeter defender in the game with him.
Barea/Harris
Parsons/Ellis
Aminu/Jefferson
Dirk/Powell/CV
Chandler/???/Sarge
Last edited by rimrocker; 04-27-2015 at 03:49 PM.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 04:22 PM
|
#73
|
The Preacha
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Rock
Posts: 36,066
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee
let's face it, the Mavs will never be a defensively dominate team while Dirk is still starting.
|
I agree, but I would like Dirk to be a 6th man.
I'd be interested in a starting 5 of:
Harris
Green or Matthews or Afflalo
Parsons
Aminu
Chandler
Dirk as 6th man focused on playing 24-26min per night.
__________________
ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 04:48 PM
|
#74
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,472
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
I agree, but I would like Dirk to be a 6th man.
I'd be interested in a starting 5 of:
Harris
Green or Matthews or Afflalo
Parsons
Aminu
Chandler
Dirk as 6th man focused on playing 24-26min per night.
|
I would be ok with that an even Barea as a starter with that defensive lineup.
The combination of Barea and any of those 3 would make up for Ellis' offense and Parsons/Aminu taking on bigger roles would make up for a good portion of Dirk's.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 04:52 PM
|
#75
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,694
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee
Said it before and I'll say it again. I have absolutely no faith that another team's #3 option can become the #1 option on the the Mavs offensively. The only Trailblazer I'd be on board for is Lamarcus Aldridge, otherwise I'm for bringing back the starting 4 (minus Rondo) and building from there.
|
I never said Matthews would be the number 1 option? What is wrong with having Dirk take advantage of his mismatches, with CP and Matthews doing the same when they have the advantage? Good ball movement and match-ups. Don't Spurs, Hawks, Grizz, Bulls, Wiz, Raps all do this? While actually being able to defend the perimeter with Matthews as a bonus?
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 04:59 PM
|
#76
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,815
|
The Celtics also have the option to restrict the free agency of Jae Crowder with a $1.1 million qualifying offer, something they are expected to do. Crowder may not command a huge contract this summer, but he will likely get a sizable raise over the $915,000 he earned last season. Word is the Dallas Mavericks may get into the bidding on Crowder so things may get interesting. Basketball Insiders
Rumors tagsBoston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Free Agency, Jae Crowder
- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.FfNLS3eD.dpuf
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 06:05 PM
|
#77
|
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 236
|
No chance Monta Ellis is back next year, Cuban will chase Aldridge and Deandre Jordan(who wants to be a Mav)
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 06:12 PM
|
#78
|
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 236
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BPo001
The Celtics also have the option to restrict the free agency of Jae Crowder with a $1.1 million qualifying offer, something they are expected to do. Crowder may not command a huge contract this summer, but he will likely get a sizable raise over the $915,000 he earned last season. Word is the Dallas Mavericks may get into the bidding on Crowder so things may get interesting. Basketball Insiders
Rumors tagsBoston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Free Agency, Jae Crowder
- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.FfNLS3eD.dpuf
|
Lol a "bidding war" over Jae Crowder?? Tell me you really don't believe that do you?
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 06:20 PM
|
#79
|
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 41.21.1
Posts: 36,143
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by #41 Shoot em up
No chance Monta Ellis is back next year, Cuban will chase Aldridge and Deandre Jordan(who wants to be a Mav)
|
Where did you hear that DeAndre Jordan wants to be a Mav? This is news to me -- do you have a link?
__________________
These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
|
|
|
04-27-2015, 06:26 PM
|
#80
|
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 236
|
No link, just something a little birdie told me.
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:28 AM.
|