Plan B if D Wade and Lebron go elsewhere

[Rick41]

Give me Antoine Walker in his comeback attempt...

[mpb319]

I want either Bosh or JJohnson.

The thing that people are missing about the Dirk/Bosh lineup...if Haywood is resigned and Damp boomerangs back is that it gives us flexibility.

Dirk,Bosh,Marion,Butler,Kidd would likely be the starting 5 against most if not all teams.
We then have the bench of RoddyB, Haywood, Najera, JJ, and some Toronto bad contract(Marcus Banks?) (I think JET would fit in Toronto and he isn't as bad as many of us think), Stevenson, Carroll, and Damp.

[clutch#41]

[QUOTE=mpb319;1101643]I want either Bosh or JJohnson.
QUOTE]

i dont understand all the hype about joe johnson?? i understand he's a real SG and younger than butler...but theres too many bad thing's to say about him then good.id rather go in next season with butler at the 2 then johnson.

[grndmstr_c]

[QUOTE=clutch#41;1101676]

Originally Posted by mpb319

I want either Bosh or JJohnson.
QUOTE]

i dont understand all the hype about joe johnson?? i understand he's a real SG and younger than butler...but theres too many bad thing's to say about him then good.id rather go in next season with butler at the 2 then johnson.

Of course you would say that.

[clutch#41]

[QUOTE=grndmstr_c;1101677]

Originally Posted by clutch#41

Of course you would say that.

i dont see all the hype about him..can someone tell me how he makes us better???? i can possibly see one more win next year with him i suppose.....

[mpb319]

Joe Johnson makes us better because he is a true SG with ball handling, playmaking, and 3 pt shooting ability.

I think he looked bad in the last playoffs because of the uncertainty of his situation and the fact that he was the number 1 guy the other teams could focus on.

Haywood, Dirk, Marion, Joe Johnson, Kidd
Roddy, JET, Najera, (Atlanta Throw in - Maurice Evans maybe... if we end up keeping JET then I think we should try to include JJB in the trade and they will likely want Butler) Damp (if he boomerangs back), Stevenson, & Carroll. Look for another PF and or PF/C...maybe a MLE signing or 2nd round rookie, and a 3rd string PG.

[sike]

I would take Bosh over JJ. But if they made that move I think it would signal the Roddy/Bosh era...and the Dirk era would be ending with Dirk needing to take a supporting role.

Though I hate saying it, I wouldn't be surprised if this approach would be the most prudent to winning a ring. (If Wade and LBJ are out of the question)

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

I would take Bosh over JJ. But if they made that move I think it would signal the Roddy/Bosh era...and the Dirk era would be ending with Dirk needing to take a supporting role.

Dirk > Bosh

When he finally loses a step, you can start talking about Dirk taking a supporting role...

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dirk > Bosh

When he finally loses a step, you can start talking about Dirk taking a supporting role...

I agree with the principle, and there is no doubt that Dirk is a better offensive player...and is a greater player when all is said and done.

But,

Bosh is 26 and an easier pillar to build around.

I wanna see the Dust chip used to make the Mavs as good as they can be now and for the future.

[sike]

Can I ask why Al Jefferson is listed as an option?

[grndmstr_c]

My take on the Bosh/Dirk pairing is simply this. While they're clearly not an ideal combo defensively as both are PF's who lean to the skinny side of things, they're arguably the two most dominant - and here's the real kicker - most flexible scorers at the big positions (PF/C) in the league. They'd keep one another fresh because they'd be able to sub for one another so well, meaning energetic offensive end-of-game execution from both would be consistently attainable even in the most tightly contested games, they'd regularly put opposing front courts in foul trouble, and having both out on the court together would be all but guaranteed to expose a mismatch in Dallas' favor every trip down the court against just about every team they'd face.

[sike]

is there any way Bosh could come to Dallas without Roddy going out?

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by sike

is there any way Bosh could come to Dallas without Roddy going out?

We would probably have to take on one of there bad contracts like Banks, Butler- Damp- JJB for Banks and Bosh

[sike]

Originally Posted by mavs777

We would probably have to take on one of there bad contracts like Banks, Butler- Damp- JJB for Banks and Bosh

I heard on ESPN radio that they would like to move Jose Calderon's big contract with Bosh...which I would be MORE than happy with.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by sike

is there any way Bosh could come to Dallas without Roddy going out?

It just depends on how the negotiations shake out. If Bosh has two teams that he'd be equally happy playing for exploring S&T talks, there could easily be a mini bidding war over the other pieces in the deal that would be necessary to secure the Raptors cooperation, and it seems to me that could easily turn into a Booby-or-no-deal kind of situation.

I'm sympathetic to what I expect your thinking is. If Booby develops like I think he's capable of, he would thrive playing with Dirk and Bosh. That's the kind of quickness and court vision you want when you're rolling out a PF/C tandem who each have to be guarded closely 18+ feet from the basket.

[sike]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'm sympathetic to what I expect your thinking is. If Booby develops like I think he's capable of, he would thrive playing with Dirk and Bosh. That's the kind of quickness and court vision you want when you're rolling out a PF/C tandem who each have to be guarded closely 18+ feet from the basket.

Indeed. If the big off season move is for Bosh, I'd be significantly less optimistic about the team's chances if it means Roddy's moving on.

If the move is for Wade, Roddy becomes far more expendable in my eyes.

The team MUST have a guard presence that can get to the rim. (I think I may be the first Mavs fan to suggest this)

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by sike

The team MUST have a guard presence that can get to the rim. (I think I may be the first Mavs fan to suggest this)

I think you are.

We should have never let Hassell, Buckner and Green walk

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by sefant77

I think you are.

We should have never let Hassell, Buckner and Green walk

or Eddie Jones

[sefant77]

Of course i take Bosh and pair him with Dirk if the better options (James/SG) arent available. But then i really want Haywood back here because u will need a real center for Lakers and Magic.

[Mav Addict]

Personally I wouldn't give up Roddy unless its for Lebron or Wade.

That a be a no go for anyone else including Bosh or JJ...

[sike]

Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Personally I wouldn't give up Roddy unless its for Lebron or Wade.

That a be a no go for anyone else including Bosh or JJ...

I think I might agree...I'm almost positive I wouldn't do it for JJ.

On Bosh, I would need to seriously ponder it...

[Mav Addict]

Originally Posted by sike

I think I might agree...I'm almost positive I wouldn't do it for JJ.

On Bosh, I would need to seriously ponder it...

I would trade my mother away if we could keep Roddy and add Bosh but give them back JT or Barea

I would also consider trading Donnie before I trade Roddy

Dust+Caron+JT/Barea+Mom
for
Bosh and Calderon

[sike]

Originally Posted by Mav Addict

I would trade my mother away if...

but lets be honest...she is way past her prime

[Mav Addict]

Originally Posted by sike

but lets be honest...she is way past her prime

So was Kidd, but you see what happened....

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Mav Addict

I would trade my mother away if we could keep Roddy and add Bosh but give them back JT or Barea

I would also consider trading Donnie before I trade Roddy

Dust+Caron+JT/Barea+Mom
for
Bosh and Calderon

I think Mom's salary makes it work.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

I think I might agree...I'm almost positive I wouldn't do it for JJ.

On Bosh, I would need to seriously ponder it...

If you include Roddy for Bosh, your starting 2-guard is Jason Terry with Barea backing him up.

One step forward, two steps back...

[Zki41]

We should orchestrate two separate trades ... one trade centered around Butler, and one trade centered around the DUST Chip. I think we should go for Joe Johnson and Iguodala. Butler can fill Iguodala's role in Philly and allow them to get some financial flexibility to rebuild ... best combo of talent and financial savings Philly could potentially get for Iggy if they are looking to move him.

Johnson and Iggy are both multi-faceted guard who both have been carrying their teams, but really should be the second best player on their team. Both players would benefit from Dirk's and each others presence. Defenses would be spread more thing so each player would probably shoot at a higher percentage. Also both are athletic and can defend to much better level than anyone we have had at SG in a long time. Johnson is a capable ball handler and has played point for the Hawks several time throughout their season. Getting him would allow us to rest Kidd and be able to play Beaubois alongside Johnson, either as SG or PG. We will have to bring Marion off the bench, but that just gives us a lot more versatility. We can have big line ups, like Johnson, Iggy, Marion, Dirk, Haywood ... or go smaller, with Kidd/Roddy, Johnson, Iggy, Marion, Dirk (or even smaller). Marion can stay fresh for when we really need his defensive specialty, and hopefully having less minutes can make him more efficient at getting garbage points.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Zki41

We should orchestrate two separate trades ... one trade centered around Butler, and one trade centered around the DUST Chip. I think we should go for Joe Johnson and Iguodala.

I've thought about that, and while I don't know that's it's possible without losing Booby, I think that'd be about the best possible Wade- and Lebron-less summer.

[bobatundi]

I could see us getting Johnson without Damp...something like Butler & Terry for Johnson & Pachulia. Zaza then becomes our backup C, playing 10 a game behind Haywood, with Dirk sometimes playing the 5 while Marion mans the 4 against smaller lineups.

Atlanta does this because (a) Johnson is leaving anyway, and Butler is a nice consolation prize, and (b) dumping Pachulia saves them a lot of money. We can throw in cash and picks to sweeten the pot.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

I could see us getting Johnson without Damp...something like Butler & Terry for Johnson & Pachulia. Zaza then becomes our backup C, playing 10 a game behind Haywood, with Dirk sometimes playing the 5 while Marion mans the 4 against smaller lineups.

Atlanta does this because (a) Johnson is leaving anyway, and Butler is a nice consolation prize, and (b) dumping Pachulia saves them a lot of money. We can throw in cash and picks to sweeten the pot.

this could be interesting

[Robillion]

I chose Iggy and AJefferson because Im selfish and want both of them. If not two players like that taking care of two positional needs (better than Butler/Haywood can) then Joe Johnson is my #1 target.

[sike]

uh...is Jefferson available? If so, that guy is a low post beast.

[darkwitzki]

IMO, we need two trades, a capable SG (JJohnson, Iggy, Salmons) and a low post presence (Jefferson, Kaman, Bosh, Boozer). Anyone could think of ways is a genius.

[sike]

Is Al Jefferson available? If so....yes please.

[dalmations202]

Plan Q if the rest doesn't work.
Trade Damp to Philly for Brand and the #2.
Take Turner with the #2. (Wall is the backup option)

Resign Damp after he is cut. Resign Haywood.

Brand injuries become much less a problem when he is a 6th man, but you now have an inside post up player.

Haywood, Damp
Dirk, Brand
Marion, Turner
Butler, Turner, Stevenson
Kidd, Roddy, JET

Najera and JJB on the bench or cheering from the front row.

Very athletic and deep and without any "major" player having to come here.
Turner very well could be starting SG very quickly with Butler coming in as the first swing off the bench. JET becomes a situational jump shooting guard (zone buster - spot up guy for the Brand inside out game).

[sike]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Plan Q if the rest doesn't work.
Trade Damp to Philly for Brand and the #2.
Take Turner with the #2. (Wall is the backup option)

Resign Damp after he is cut. Resign Haywood.

Brand injuries become much less a problem when he is a 6th man, but you now have an inside post up player.

Haywood, Damp
Dirk, Brand
Marion, Turner
Butler, Turner, Stevenson
Kidd, Roddy, JET

Najera and JJB on the bench or cheering from the front row.

Very athletic and deep and without any "major" player having to come here.
Turner very well could be starting SG very quickly with Butler coming in as the first swing off the bench. JET becomes a situational jump shooting guard (zone buster - spot up guy for the Brand inside out game).

I'm hoping for better than this...the team needs a clear second stud...and MUST address that this off season.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Plan Q if the rest doesn't work.
Trade Damp to Philly for Brand and the #2.
Take Turner with the #2. (Wall is the backup option)

Resign Damp after he is cut. Resign Haywood.

Brand injuries become much less a problem when he is a 6th man, but you now have an inside post up player.

Haywood, Damp
Dirk, Brand
Marion, Turner
Butler, Turner, Stevenson
Kidd, Roddy, JET

Najera and JJB on the bench or cheering from the front row.

Very athletic and deep and without any "major" player having to come here.
Turner very well could be starting SG very quickly with Butler coming in as the first swing off the bench. JET becomes a situational jump shooting guard (zone buster - spot up guy for the Brand inside out game).

I wouldn't even speak the words "Elton Brand" without automatically including Iguodala's name in the same sentence...

(and even then, "Samuel Dalembert" rolls off the tongue a lot prettier...)

[mavs777]

Minnessotta will not trade there number 2 pick, and yes Jefferson is available because him and love don't work will on the court. They need a wing and a bit of cap relief, Butler for Jefferson I think could work straight up as his deal is expiring also his deal is a couple of million less and they are looking for a wing, and possibly give up a first round pick but in a few years not next year or year after that

[sike]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Minnessotta will not trade there number 2 pick, and yes Jefferson is available because him and love don't work will on the court. They need a wing and a bit of cap relief, Butler for Jefferson I think could work straight up as his deal is expiring also his deal is a couple of million less and they are looking for a wing, and possibly give up a first round pick but in a few years not next year or year after that

that would make me so Happy. A legit post scoring stud would be so sweet.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by sike

that would make me so Happy. A legit post scoring stud would be so sweet.

the more i think about this the more intriguing it seems. i'm really into "buy low" players and Al Jefferson was basically untouchable not too long ago. not sure how he and Dirk work defensively so you'd have to have someone like Haywood to rotate in. I wonder if Carlisle could keep everybody happy with playing time etc... doesn't seem to be his strength, to say the least. but when Dirk went out and Jefferson slid to PF we would have a legit go to scorer. we trade Damp for a 2 and keep Roddy. not a bad Plan B. it would take a little more than just Caron to get Jefferson probably as well.