PGT: Mavs get curbstamped by the owning Blazers

[Underdog]

[JHT]

J. Kidd: 27 Minutes, 0 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, -16
J. Terry: 25 minutes, 4 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, -14

R. Beaubois: 24 minutes, 18 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, +4
J. Barea: 17 minutes, 12 points, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, -1

[twelli]

Originally Posted by JHT

J. Kidd: 27 Minutes, 0 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, -16
J. Terry: 25 minutes, 4 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, -14

R. Beaubois: 24 minutes, 18 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, +4
J. Barea: 17 minutes, 12 points, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, -1

Take away the garbage time, Roddy's number will look much less attractive.

I think Barea was the best of the four.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by twelli

Take away the garbage time, Roddy's number will look much less attractive.

I think Barea was the best of the four.

Roddy's will look a little less attractive but they'll still look FAR more attractive than Kidd or Terry's.

I agree, Barea was the best guard tonight. Roddy was a clear second best though.

He played well outside of garbage time. And remember even in garbage time the Blazers continued to play a lot of their starters after Dallas cleared the bench. And Roddy did well then too.

Roddy's been awful lately, let's give him a little credit for doing alright against a good team. Maybe it's a step in the right direction... or maybe he'll go right back to being terrible next game.

But not sure what else there is to hope for as a Mavs fan right now. Even Dirk has given up. Don't think I've ever seen give up in Dirk's eyes like this before.

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

The Lakers went 4-7 entering the playoffs last year. It looks like we are trying to follow their example...

[JeffViggiano]

good game by roddy.go mavs!

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by twelli

Take away the garbage time, Roddy's number will look much less attractive.

I think Barea was the best of the four.

Yep, Roddy was 2-8 for 9 points before scoring four baskets in garbage time. Anyone saying Roddy had a good game is mis-remembering.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by JHT

Roddy's will look a little less attractive but they'll still look FAR more attractive than Kidd or Terry's.

I agree, Barea was the best guard tonight. Roddy was a clear second best though.

He played well outside of garbage time. And remember even in garbage time the Blazers continued to play a lot of their starters after Dallas cleared the bench. And Roddy did well then too.

Roddy's been awful lately, let's give him a little credit for doing alright against a good team. Maybe it's a step in the right direction... or maybe he'll go right back to being terrible next game.

But not sure what else there is to hope for as a Mavs fan right now. Even Dirk has given up. Don't think I've ever seen give up in Dirk's eyes like this before.

Roddy did not play well tonight before garbage time. I didn't see anything about his performance tonight that made me feel better moving forward.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Yep, Roddy was 2-8 for 9 points before scoring four baskets in garbage time. Anyone saying Roddy had a good game is mis-remembering.

Not good, just alright, better than he has played lately, and better than Terry and Kidd.

And again, the Blazers were still playing a lot of their starters during garbage time.

[Thomas86]

I'm not making too much out of this game...in the last game Haywood and Peja didn't play and now Chandler didn't play tonight, the Blazers haven't beat the Mavs at full strength and people seem to forget the Mavs beat the Blazers without Dirk and Caron earlier this season.

[dude1394]

Road trip from hell is over. Time to regroup and recharge. Ridiculous to have six games om the road and 3 b2b. 6 games in 9 nights and 4 in 5. Brutal..they look pretty tired,

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Yep, Roddy was 2-8 for 9 points before scoring four baskets in garbage time. Anyone saying Roddy had a good game is mis-remembering.

Individual ON/OFF without Garbage Time that started with 4:20 left in the 4th:



I think noone deserves an Oscar for todays performance, but on a low standard he was a bright spot. Because Cardinal only played in the 4th Barea and Roddy were your two best players today. Team once again played its best defense with him on the floor and on a night where they collectively collapsed on that end, this is a very strong statement in my eyes. Barea carried the offense in return

[deamon]

Glad I didn't watch two last games, no more grey hairs.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Road trip from hell is over. Time to regroup and recharge. Ridiculous to have six games om the road and 3 b2b. 6 games in 9 nights and 4 in 5. Brutal..they look pretty tired,

Hey that excuse sounds familiar....

Jason Terry? Is that you?

http://twitter.com/#!/EKS_MavsNBA/st...69332206567425

[LonghornDub]

Just arrived back in downtown Seattle from Portland. A few thoughts:

1) I was 9 rows up on the baseline, and very, very close to the action. I could hear everything the players were (and weren't) saying when they were on our end of the court. I am blown away--blown away--with how little our team talks to each other, especially on defense. They'll call screens sometimes, but that's pretty much all I heard the entire time.

2) I am incredibly disappointed with Terry. He is missing way, way too many wide open shots. That is scary because there is really nothing you can do about that whatsoever, other than just hope he starts making them. But I said this in the GSW thread and I'll say it again: if he can't hit open shots, Rick needs to cut his minutes. Like, 20-ish or below per game. Unfortunately, we are so weak at guard I don't even know if he can do that.

I will give Terry credit for one thing tonight: he obviously knew he was cold and didn't jack up 10+ shots trying to prove he could make one, which is what he very often does. His body language was very obvious most of the night and toward the end he absolutely did not want to shoot the ball unless he was wide open.

Still, if he doesn't make his shots, he shouldn't play very much.

3) Also disappointed with Kidd. He was probably even worse than Terry. I feel like at least he offers something other than scoring, but then you look at the box score: 4 dimes, 2 TO's. He did have 3 steals, but's not enough to justify 0-6 shooting.

4) Even though we all know it already, you really, really appreciate how overmatched our backcourt is defensively when you see it at basically court level. Barea, Terry, and Roddy matched up against Wallace, Roy, Miller, and Matthews throughout various points of the game, and every single time it looked like a JV player guarding a varsity player in terms of physical stature. The only guy who doesn't look completely out of his league is Kidd, and of course he's old and slow.

5) Barea is our best offensive guard (at least assuming Terry isn't lighting it up from outside). It's not close. His game is (and always will be) flawed because he's just too small, but the gap right now is pretty big between him and whoever is next best.

6) Almost every single problem this team has on the defensive end of the floor is because the backcourt cannot guard anyone. It's the reason for most of the offensive rebounds, it's the reason for guys like Dirk being out of position and taking cheap fouls when they come over to help (not that Dirk is some elite defender himself), it's the reason for just about everything. The entire team defense consistently gets out of position because the guy on the ball can't stay in front of his man.

7) Who was that dashingly handsome gentleman decked in Mavs colors who they showed on the Dallas broadcast during the second quarter? (Thanks, BG.)

[dude1394]

Nice longhorn...The lack of communication with wood is probably one of the big reasons he got benched. when ty is in there they seem much better.

[rabbitproof]

Should we meet in the playoffs.....

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/...articleid=1623

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Individual ON/OFF without Garbage Time that started with 4:20 left in the 4th:

I think noone deserves an Oscar for todays performance, but on a low standard he was a bright spot. Because Cardinal only played in the 4th Barea and Roddy were your two best players today. Team once again played its best defense with him on the floor and on a night where they collectively collapsed on that end, this is a very strong statement in my eyes. Barea carried the offense in return

I think you're putting way, way too much emphasis on the on/off numbers of one game. I'm a big believer in advanced metrics, but they have to be combined with personal observation, and On/Off numbers have so much noise that they have to be taken in large samples.

Marion was the best player in a Mav uniform last night by a mile, and I'd give him much more credit fo the defensive affect you're seeing with Roddy, as they played almost identical flows. I'll have to go back and look at other game flows to see if this remains true, but by my recollection Roddy plays almost exclusively with Marion on the floor, so this has to be factored in when crediting Roddy for Defensive On/Off numbers.

[Kidd Karma]

Nice stuff Longhorn!!

I think we should start going a bit more traditional in the backcourt and start Deshawn. Roddy/Terry should split the role of 6th man, dependent on who's hotter game to game, this will push each other to be better, because right now, you're giving both guy's their run and if they're just going through the motions, which vets tend to do this late in the year, to save themselves for the postseason, you need to limit their minutes.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I think you're putting way, way too much emphasis on the on/off numbers of one game. I'm a big believer in advanced metrics, but they have to be combined with personal observation, and On/Off numbers have so much noise that they have to be taken in large samples.

Marion was the best player in a Mav uniform last night by a mile, and I'd give him much more credit fo the defensive affect you're seeing with Roddy, as they played almost identical flows. I'll have to go back and look at other game flows to see if this remains true, but by my recollection Roddy plays almost exclusively with Marion on the floor, so this has to be factored in when crediting Roddy for Defensive On/Off numbers.

Interesting point I really didn't take into consideration. Worth a closer look. Maybe I am able to do that tonight.

[ShaggyDirk]

One thing is for absolute certain: A NBA Championship has never ever been won in the regular season.

i'm nowhere near implying we have a chance, but I'm also not driving myself insane over this road trip and horrendous record against above .500 teams. To me the ship sprang a leak when Butler went down.. I never once thought to myself, "hey, they still have a chance".. It just hurts my heart to know that Dirk is taking this the absolute hardest..

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I think we should start going a bit more traditional in the backcourt and start Deshawn. Roddy/Terry should split the role of 6th man, dependent on who's hotter game to game, this will push each other to be better, because right now, you're giving both guy's their run and if they're just going through the motions, which vets tend to do this late in the year, to save themselves for the postseason, you need to limit their minutes.

i agree.

kidd-deshawn-peja-dirk-TC and JJ-terry or roddy-marion-'wood or mahinmi from the bench.
carlisle,please,don't change the starters every game.please.

[Alykhan04]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Just arrived back in downtown Seattle from Portland. A few thoughts:

1) I was 9 rows up on the baseline, and very, very close to the action. I could hear everything the players were (and weren't) saying when they were on our end of the court. I am blown away--blown away--with how little our team talks to each other, especially on defense. They'll call screens sometimes, but that's pretty much all I heard the entire time.

I think my season tickets at the AAC are pretty similar, and I have to say that it being quiet has way more to do with Chandler not being on the floor than anything else. This season, the players talk A LOT on defense, most of it being started by Chandler. He's literally yelling almost every possession on D. When he's out of the game, the chatter is pretty much non-existant, similar to years before.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Alykhan04

I think my season tickets at the AAC are pretty similar, and I have to say that it being quiet has way more to do with Chandler not being on the floor than anything else. This season, the players talk A LOT on defense, most of it being started by Chandler. He's literally yelling almost every possession on D. When he's out of the game, the chatter is pretty much non-existant, similar to years before.

I figure that has a lot to do with it, but I'm just reporting how it was last night. And honestly, even though it's understandable that one guy keys the effort, it's pretty inexcusable that everybody stops helping each other out just because that guy is injured.

[Alykhan04]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I figure that has a lot to do with it, but I'm just reporting how it was last night. And honestly, even though it's understandable that one guy keys the effort, it's pretty inexcusable that everybody stops helping each other out just because that guy is injured.

Oh yeah, absolutely. That dead silence you heard is exactly how it's been in the past, for at least the past 8 years. You couldn't imagine how shocked I was this year when Chandler would actually communicate on D. It's almost an epidemic, as everyone is more active vocally and physically when Tyson is on the floor. At least that's how it was at the beginning of the year...

[dude1394]

I believe that is just one of (and a pretty big one) reason that wood could not beat out chandler. Even if their numbers were the same his communication gives him a huge edge.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Just arrived back in downtown Seattle from Portland. A few thoughts:

1) I was 9 rows up on the baseline, and very, very close to the action. I could hear everything the players were (and weren't) saying when they were on our end of the court. I am blown away--blown away--with how little our team talks to each other, especially on defense. They'll call screens sometimes, but that's pretty much all I heard the entire time.

2) I am incredibly disappointed with Terry. He is missing way, way too many wide open shots. That is scary because there is really nothing you can do about that whatsoever, other than just hope he starts making them. But I said this in the GSW thread and I'll say it again: if he can't hit open shots, Rick needs to cut his minutes. Like, 20-ish or below per game. Unfortunately, we are so weak at guard I don't even know if he can do that.

I will give Terry credit for one thing tonight: he obviously knew he was cold and didn't jack up 10+ shots trying to prove he could make one, which is what he very often does. His body language was very obvious most of the night and toward the end he absolutely did not want to shoot the ball unless he was wide open.

Still, if he doesn't make his shots, he shouldn't play very much.

3) Also disappointed with Kidd. He was probably even worse than Terry. I feel like at least he offers something other than scoring, but then you look at the box score: 4 dimes, 2 TO's. He did have 3 steals, but's not enough to justify 0-6 shooting.

4) Even though we all know it already, you really, really appreciate how overmatched our backcourt is defensively when you see it at basically court level. Barea, Terry, and Roddy matched up against Wallace, Roy, Miller, and Matthews throughout various points of the game, and every single time it looked like a JV player guarding a varsity player in terms of physical stature. The only guy who doesn't look completely out of his league is Kidd, and of course he's old and slow.

5) Barea is our best offensive guard (at least assuming Terry isn't lighting it up from outside). It's not close. His game is (and always will be) flawed because he's just too small, but the gap right now is pretty big between him and whoever is next best.

6) Almost every single problem this team has on the defensive end of the floor is because the backcourt cannot guard anyone. It's the reason for most of the offensive rebounds, it's the reason for guys like Dirk being out of position and taking cheap fouls when they come over to help (not that Dirk is some elite defender himself), it's the reason for just about everything. The entire team defense consistently gets out of position because the guy on the ball can't stay in front of his man.

7) Who was that dashingly handsome gentleman decked in Mavs colors who they showed on the Dallas broadcast during the second quarter? (Thanks, BG.)

+rep. You've definitely been bringing the goods lately. Sorry you had to watch that debacle live.

[The Crippler]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

6) Almost every single problem this team has on the defensive end of the floor is because the backcourt cannot guard anyone. It's the reason for most of the offensive rebounds, it's the reason for guys like Dirk being out of position and taking cheap fouls when they come over to help (not that Dirk is some elite defender himself), it's the reason for just about everything. The entire team defense consistently gets out of position because the guy on the ball can't stay in front of his man.

This has been true for at least 8 years now starting with the demise of Michael Finley. Just amazing that NBA executives can not see what some have been bitching about for this long. And if they do see it, how come they never address it?