A simple question: Big Z for Walker -- would you do it?

[Chicago JK]

Yeah I would, but it won't happen. I don't see Walker fitting in with Cleveland. They are obviously buiding around Lebron and are looking for the right pieces. Antoine handles the ball too much and wouldn't fit in very well with Lebron. Cleveland won't have interest in Walker unless it is for salary cap reasons. Big Z and Antoine both have contracts ending soon so it won't happen.

Although maybe a complicated three team trade could be worked out.

[ddh33]

Originally posted by: Chicago JK
Yeah I would, but it won't happen. I don't see Walker fitting in with Cleveland. They are obviously buiding around Lebron and are looking for the right pieces. Antoine handles the ball too much and wouldn't fit in very well with Lebron. Cleveland won't have interest in Walker unless it is for salary cap reasons. Big Z and Antoine both have contracts ending soon so it won't happen.

Although maybe a complicated three team trade could be worked out.

Do you think they would be more interested in Jamison? I know they keep denying that they're interested, but so do we. I still think something could get done...

[Chicago JK]

Originally posted by: ddh33

Do you think they would be more interested in Jamison? I know they keep denying that they're interested, but so do we. I still think something could get done...

Jamison the player...yes

Although Cleveland doesn't have a Mark Cuban. I think they would be real weary on the dollars and years on AJ's contract.

Although I think AJ fits with Lebron a lot better than Walker. You would hear a lot of Lebron to AJ.

I may be wrong but I think it would need to take a three man trade with Cleveland if you want Big Z.

[Chicago JK]

Originally posted by: Chicago JK

Jamison the player...yes

Although Cleveland doesn't have a Mark Cuban. I think they would be real weary on the dollars and years on AJ's contract.

Although I think AJ fits with Lebron a lot better than Walker. You would hear a lot of Lebron to AJ.

I may be wrong but I think it would need to take a three man trade with Cleveland if you want Big Z.

A trade like this.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (14.5 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.6 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -3.6 apg.

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (8.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.7 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.4 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: -2.8 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (14.5 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.2 minutes)
Cleveland receives: SF Shandon Anderson (8.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 36 games)
C Kurt Thomas (11.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: +5.4 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, New York, and Cleveland being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas, New York, and Cleveland had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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Won't happen but just hypothetical. New York gets another big name for Isiah. Walker is from Chicago where both Isiah and Aguirre grew up. It gives new york another name.

Cleveland picks up Thomas who wouldn't help that much with Boozer already in the fold , But Thomas will be free this offseason. Shandon Anderson has a bad contract but would give them an athletic role player off the bench. In all liklihood they wouldn't want Shandon but I didn't see anything else on the knicks that would make this example work.

Dallas gets Z, who is a player who both the Nelsons have a long relationship with.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: cdeleon
I would do the trade in a heartbeat. I really like Walker but I think the ball being in his hands is really hurting the chemistry. Finley needs the ball up top and he isn't getting it with Walker there. Walker is late on alot of his passes when Dirk is wide open coming around picks and he just isn't picking up the big 3's tendencies. Jamison is the low post scorer we need and he doesn't get in the way. The Big 3 need to be up top with Jamison and the Big Z roaming down low. I've been saying since we traded for Walker to leave this team alone and sign a big man in the offseason but I don't see them starting to gell anytime soon.

Well...Walker needs more PRACTICE TIME with the team in order to NOT be late on alot of his passes when Dirk is wide open coming around picks.

Remember that Walker had ZERO TRAINING CAMP with this Team while Jamison has! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

I'd rather take my chances with Walker on this team long-term(with the unique talent that he has) than have a lumbering-lummox-of-a-center who is about as tough and mean as Yao Ming. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[MightyToine]

I kind of subscribe to the NVE line of thought. Guys need to go through the wars together before they get better.

Which is why its better to STAND PAT and let these guys stay together like the Kings have.

[jayC]

1) Walker is one of the best passing big men in the league. He will give us matchup advantages over both San Antonio and LA. The best way to beat LA is with the pick and roll. Walker forces the mismatch, Jamison and Big Z do not. Big Z can't score against guys like Yao Ming, Shaq and Duncan.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: jayC
1) Walker is one of the best passing big men in the league. He will give us matchup advantages over both San Antonio and LA. The best way to beat LA is with the pick and roll. Walker forces the mismatch, Jamison and Big Z do not. Big Z can't score against guys like Yao Ming, Shaq and Duncan.

2.) See #1. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[jayC]

Never mind I changed my mind. I would do it the mavs need a conventional big man. Big Z could get a ton of points in the paint with Dirk, Nash and Finley spacing the floor. Add Darius Miles then I definitely do it because of his size and athletic ability. Walker is just too inconsistent.

Nash/Delk
Finley/Howard
Jamison/Najera
Dirk/Fortson
BigZ/Bradley

[kg_veteran]

I'll say it again: I'd do it.

The ability to play people at their natural positions simply can't be understated.

[ddh33]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I'll say it again: I'd do it.

The ability to play people at their natural positions simply can't be understated.

I agree. I would have done it sooner, but I would have had my reservations. Now, I think we're nearing the point of having to do something. I think having an inside presence, even if he's slow, for 30 minutes a game would be a huge asset to this team.

[Bayliss]

I would do it. And quickly.

[Murphy3]

I'd do it...however, I'd still like to have a little more athleticism at either the 4 or 5 spot..maybe a guy that could come in and play 10 minutes or so..bring energy and hustle.

Maybe like Eddie Najera except with more height, athleticism, and ability.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: jayC
Never mind I changed my mind. I would do it the mavs need a conventional big man. Big Z could get a ton of points in the paint with Dirk, Nash and Finley spacing the floor. Add Darius Miles then I definitely do it because of his size and athletic ability. Walker is just too inconsistent.

Nash/Delk
Finley/Howard
Jamison/Najera
Dirk/Fortson
BigZ/Bradley

DOH! [Homer simpson voice] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]



Dammit.....I don't want walker to go.......What else can I say, though? If there is to be a trade, Walker(unfortunately) is the valuable trading commodity this team has. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[uberfan]

A simple answer: No. Z does not give us an atheltic defender and is not the answer to the simple qustion posed.

[NewMexiMav]

This trade needs to be done now! How many more road whippings does this team have to endure to figure out that we gotta have somebody not named Dirk guarding the paint?

I was against any attempt to get Z when the season began. I didn't think he was the answer. I still don't think he is the perfect fit, but he fills a need that we need filled NOW or this season is a bust. Even if it's not Z, we need a real 5 now, even if we're talking about a drop in talent.

TRADE WALKER FOR A BIG NOW!!!!

[kingrex]

The reason this question is so intriguing is because of the Mavs glaring need in the middle. We have no true center right now. No matter what your opinion of Bradley is, he's just not healthy right now. Dirk is NOT a center, and so since we have 3 scoring forwards, then at least one of the 'twans ('toines) seems expendable.

Is Z the answer? He is often injured, so if we just set that aside for a minute, is Zarunas the center the Mavs need? I say no, but sadly he would still be the best center we can get now. So, if we want to make a run this year, I'm not sure our lack of a center will be overcome by the members of this team now.

So at the risk of injury, I have to roll the dice on Zarunas. Who else is out there? Sabonis? Who do the Mavs turn to?

[MightyToine]

Cuban won't roll the dice. He will give it more time.

[sike]

Originally posted by: MightyToine
Cuban won't roll the dice. He will give it more time.

I'd take that bet!
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[StupidDannyAInge]

I love this trade Idea. I bet Cleveland would appreciate what Walker would bring to that team more then this towns "fans" do.
Walker and Lebron are actually good friends and since Walker had no problem playing second fiddle to Pierce he would do it for a great player like Lebron in a second.
Both of these guys are willing to pass and I would do this trade in a second.


Illgauskas is a perfect fit for the Maverricks bench. (he would end up there in the end) He doesn't block shots, he doesn't pass, he doesn't play defense , he doesn't rebound evcept for those that come right to him because of his size and he does nothing but score in the low post and he can't run.