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NoTnERb · 12-10-2010, 01:46 AM

barea shouldn't shoot threes anymore and should NEVER EVER yell at Dirk.

other than that, everything was a-ok

Thomas86 · 12-10-2010, 01:51 AM

I like what RC is doing with the player rotations and minutes, I'm glad RC is not doing his "Be Ready" thing to players this season...I think it was around this time last season RC went to a playoff like rotation and I think it killed the chemistry and flow wit the playoffs, this season the bench players besides Terry know when there gonna play unlike the past few season's RC was here.

I'm giving RC props right now.

mavs777 · 12-10-2010, 02:37 AM

Rebounding is an issue, we won't beat the Lakers rebounding like this

left texas · 12-10-2010, 02:54 AM

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Butler with 15 points on 7-11 shooting, Marion with 18 points on 8-10 shooting.

Dirk, Butler and Marion combined to score 54 points on 74% shooting tonight - that's some efficient basketball right there.

JHT · 12-10-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NoTnERb

barea shouldn't shoot threes anymore and should NEVER EVER yell at Dirk.

other than that, everything was a-ok

Dirk screwed up. Barea was the PG. He's the floor general. It's his job to yell at Dirk when Dirk screws up.

deamon · 12-10-2010, 08:43 AM

They showed yesterday comparison of Kidd and mouseface in NJ-DAL meets since trade.
We saw Kidd is better, or someone needs glasses.

Funkman · 12-10-2010, 09:35 AM

Then Dirk should yell at Barea every time he dribbles aimlessly for 21 seconds and throws it to him at the end of the shot clock to bail him out.

But agree with what RC has done with defense and players around JJ to get the best possible results. Confidence is a big part of PG play, and Barea is playing with a lot of it right now. Having said that, if a better backup was available for spare parts, I'd jump on it.

BGMaverick9 · 12-10-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Funkman

Then Dirk should yell at Barea every time he dribbles aimlessly for 21 seconds and throws it to him at the end of the shot clock to bail him out.

But agree with what RC has done with defense and players around JJ to get the best possible results. Confidence is a big part of PG play, and Barea is playing with a lot of it right now. Having said that, if a better backup was available for spare parts, I'd jump on it.

So would everyone else...because that never really happens. At least for a better backup that's really worth a flip.

dude1394 · 12-10-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NoTnERb

barea shouldn't shoot threes anymore and should NEVER EVER yell at Dirk.

other than that, everything was a-ok

If jjb doesn't shoot a wide open 3 i'm benching his ass because he'd better be busting it in the gym trying to fix that shot.

If he doesn't get into it with dirk I'm benching his ass again. Dirk wasn't paying attention and almost cost them a turnover...needed to be yelled at.

snowman420 · 12-10-2010, 11:27 AM

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Barea - 13 assists and 6 points in 27 minutes.
Kidd - 8 assists and 6 points in 26 minutes.

I don't think there's any debate who our backup point guard is for the rest of the season, even after Roddy comes back...

What a joke, you pull his stats from a game against Last place in there division Nets. Here is one better, lets pull his season stats.

14% 3 points shooting
38% FG shooting
3.8 APG

and again, this last game was against the NETS!

Underdog · 12-10-2010, 11:53 AM

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What a joke, you pull his stats from a game against Last place in there division Nets. Here is one better, lets pull his season stats.

14% 3 points shooting
38% FG shooting
3.8 APG

and again, this last game was against the NETS!

I bet you feel smart. Here's some more stats:

0% 3-point shooting
0% FG shooting
0 APG

That's what Roddy has given us so far this season...

So what's your point again?

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-10-2010, 11:55 AM

This Barea schtick is amusing. I don't get why anyone would call a career high season assists from the back-up a joke.

BGMaverick9 · 12-10-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Barea - 13 assists and 6 points in 27 minutes.
Kidd - 8 assists and 6 points in 26 minutes.

I don't think there's any debate who our backup point guard is for the rest of the season, even after Roddy comes back...

Kidd?

Legler buys what the Mavericks are selling
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Underdog · 12-10-2010, 12:07 PM

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Kidd?

I smell what you're stepping in...

Underdog · 12-10-2010, 12:10 PM

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This Barea schtick is amusing.

No kidding - the guy hasn't lost us a single game this season, but people still want to bitch about him...

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-10-2010, 12:16 PM

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No kidding - the guy hasn't lost us a single game this season, but people still want to bitch about him...

Well I'm certainly no big Barea fan, but the length to which people want to keep bringing up anything negative is just weird. The only thing that matters is Kidd's minutes being lessened, and that has happened so far.

Kidd Karma · 12-10-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deamon

They showed yesterday comparison of Kidd and mouseface in NJ-DAL meets since trade.
We saw Kidd is better, or someone needs glasses.

Kidd puts the tools around him to better use. Devin's a shoot first PG.

Kidd Karma · 12-10-2010, 12:22 PM

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Well I'm certainly no big Barea fan, but the length to which people want to keep bringing up anything negative is just weird. The only thing that matters is Kidd's minutes being lessened, and that has happened so far.

Less Kidd minutes is always great, but it's mostly because we're blowing people out after 3 quarters, not because of Barea's greatness. Though at least he hasn't blown any games in the 4th. If we got at least 3 guys that can score on the floor we will be fine.

Underdog · 12-10-2010, 12:25 PM

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The only thing that matters is Kidd's minutes being lessened, and that has happened so far.

Have you noticed that the posters who protest every time Barea touches the floor were also some of the same folks who complained about Kidd logging too many minutes last season?

You can't have it both ways - Barea might not be an ideal backup, but he isn't killing us either (I'm sure Kidd's 37-year-old legs appreciate JJB more than Mavs fans do...)

b_o_r · 12-10-2010, 12:39 PM

Barea maybe doing a good job of relieving Kidd, but it has come at the expense of Dirk playing more minutes than he should at this point in his career.

BGMaverick9 · 12-10-2010, 12:45 PM

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Barea maybe doing a good job of relieving Kidd, but it has come at the expense of Dirk playing more minutes than he should at this point in his career.

Hard to say that when his minutes average is trending down compared to last year. It's all in the timing of the breaks, which are different now. Dirk is also shooting less, while still being incredibly affective...it's less of a grind now for him. The 3-ball is really coming alive for him now and that's less wear and tear instead of banging around inside.

Underdog · 12-10-2010, 12:48 PM

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Barea maybe doing a good job of relieving Kidd, but it has come at the expense of Dirk playing more minutes than he should at this point in his career.

Why does everyone keep acting like Dirk is as old as Kidd? He's still in his prime - you don't rest franchise players who are in their prime, you lean on them.

Plus, he's currently averaging 36 MPG, his lowest since 00-01...

Rhylan · 12-10-2010, 12:57 PM

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If he doesn't get into it with dirk I'm benching his ass again. Dirk wasn't paying attention and almost cost them a turnover...needed to be yelled at.

I thought Dirk had several occasions of head-in-the-anus last night with some lazy passes (his worst habit), leaving his man on D, and general air of frustration/passing up shots/lack of offensive aggression. And he still managed to get 21 on 10 shots. The dude is sickeningly efficient this year.

Funkman · 12-10-2010, 01:08 PM

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So would everyone else...because that never really happens. At least for a better backup that's really worth a flip.

Rockets get rid of Alston to get Lowry behind Brooks.

Thunder trade the rights to a 2nd round pick that was never going to sign and eat Harpring's contract for Eric Maynor.

That's a couple of times it happened not too far from here.

I'll admit I'm not the biggest Barea fan, but as long as he's not hurting the team, what the heck. And lately he hasn't been.

But for the sake of devil's advocate let me ask this question. How good would you feel about this team if it had to depend on Barea as starting pg?

fluid.forty.one · 12-10-2010, 02:04 PM

I gotta admit... Barea has looked a lot better coming off the bench right when Dirk comes back in. It's a great rotation and I'm not sure what Rick is going to do with Roddy gets back, besides maybe just start Roddy and forget Stevenson till things settle in.

dalger · 12-10-2010, 02:08 PM

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But for the sake of devil's advocate let me ask this question. How good would you feel about this team if it had to depend on Barea as starting pg?

Does it really matter whether we'd like it or not? Neither is JJB our starting point guard nor do we want him to be our starting point guard. We'd be in trouble if Kidd got injured, just like the Spurs would be in trouble without Parker or the Celtics without Rondo. The Lakers are struggling without Bynum.

Winning a championship in today's NBA requires a healthy team. With so many good teams in the league right now, the margin of error isn't huge for any team.

dude1394 · 12-10-2010, 02:34 PM

That might be tough...but we'd see him on the small guards and dsteve on the bigger ones... If JJB were not asked to be so aggressive I could see him being more of a pass-first guard...He certainly has the skills.

He's told to go in and break down the d-fense, sometimes its out of control. Sometimes it's gorgeous and certainly contributes to wins.

If he'd get his 3pt shooting up, he'd be something else because everyone is scared to death of his driving ability.

dude1394 · 12-10-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I gotta admit... Barea has looked a lot better coming off the bench right when Dirk comes back in. It's a great rotation and I'm not sure what Rick is going to do with Roddy gets back, besides maybe just start Roddy and forget Stevenson till things settle in.

Roddy is going to have his hands full beating out d-steve right now.

Funkman · 12-10-2010, 02:37 PM

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Does it really matter whether we'd like it or not? Neither is JJB our starting point guard nor do we want him to be our starting point guard. We'd be in trouble if Kidd got injured, just like the Spurs would be in trouble without Parker or the Celtics without Rondo. The Lakers are struggling without Bynum.

Winning a championship in today's NBA requires a healthy team. With so many good teams in the league right now, the margin of error isn't huge for any team.

Nothing we post here matters if you want to put it that way. It was a point for discussion. Which you did by answering.

The Celtics did ok with Robinson while Rondo was dinged up a couple of games. Could they go long term like that? Probably not. Spurs could tread water with Hill if Parker went down. Lakers should be used to playing without Bynum for stretches. I wouldn't be so quick to put their troubles squarely on him. So what's wrong with geting an idea of how people feel if it was on Barea for a while? And to be honest from the posts around here, I get the impression many would be ok with it.

And of course health is a major part, it always is. A reason why it's in the top 5 of sports cliches after someone wins. But you do like to maximize your chances if the health gods aren't in your favor, especially if you consider yourself a contending team.

Kidd Karma · 12-10-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Funkman

Rockets get rid of Alston to get Lowry behind Brooks.

Thunder trade the rights to a 2nd round pick that was never going to sign and eat Harpring's contract for Eric Maynor.

That's a couple of times it happened not too far from here.

I'll admit I'm not the biggest Barea fan, but as long as he's not hurting the team, what the heck. And lately he hasn't been.

But for the sake of devil's advocate let me ask this question. How good would you feel about this team if it had to depend on Barea as starting pg?

Don't think the heads were in the market for a PG. RC can use him, doesn't damage Cuban's wallet too much and gives you big bang for the tiny buck.

Funkman · 12-10-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

That might be tough...but we'd see him on the small guards and dsteve on the bigger ones... If JJB were not asked to be so aggressive I could see him being more of a pass-first guard...He certainly has the skills.

He's told to go in and break down the d-fense, sometimes its out of control. Sometimes it's gorgeous and certainly contributes to wins.

If he'd get his 3pt shooting up, he'd be something else because everyone is scared to death of his driving ability.

A good and accurate accessment. Only thing I somewhat disagree with is the pass-first part. I still see JJ looking for his own shot to a point. It seems like it's just too much a part of his game, and what would keep defenders on their heels.

fluid.forty.one · 12-10-2010, 03:19 PM

Just rewatched the highlights... that no look JJB pass to Mahaininaini was great.

sike · 12-10-2010, 03:25 PM

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Just rewatched the highlights... that no look JJB pass to Mahaininaini was great.

was it a no look? I don't remember it that way.

sike · 12-10-2010, 03:29 PM

Its amusing what a large ruckus is made over tiny JJB. As long as RC has him reigned in and playing within himself, I'm becoming a fan of the little guy. He has been more than serviceable this season, he has been good.

And this from someone who said he didn't belong in the NBA a couple seasons ago.

BGMaverick9 · 12-10-2010, 03:42 PM

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was it a no look? I don't remember it that way.

It was a sick look-away pass.

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Its amusing what a large ruckus is made over tiny JJB. As long as RC has him reigned in and playing within himself, I'm becoming a fan of the little guy. He has been more than serviceable this season, he has been good.

And this from someone who said he didn't belong in the NBA a couple seasons ago.

He's definitely playing better, for sure. As someone mentioned earlier...if he can get his jumper back to where it was earlier, it's a different ballgame for him. It's not that he was a world-beater with his range, but it made things tough for the defense. I wonder if it's a mental problem at this point. I mean look at Kidd the past few games, struggling. Just before half last night, they got in transition and Butler was about to shoot the 3 at the buzzer but passed it to Kidd and he had his normal form but rushed it a tad and it went in. Maybe he's been so open lately and it's a little mental and he's slowing down the mechanics....

fluid.forty.one · 12-10-2010, 03:47 PM

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was it a no look? I don't remember it that way.

http://www.nba.com/games/20101209/NJ...#nbaGIboxscore

1:45 in

BG is right. It was a look-away pass.

dalger · 12-10-2010, 04:26 PM

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Nothing we post here matters if you want to put it that way. It was a point for discussion. Which you did by answering.

The Celtics did ok with Robinson while Rondo was dinged up a couple of games. Could they go long term like that? Probably not. Spurs could tread water with Hill if Parker went down. Lakers should be used to playing without Bynum for stretches. I wouldn't be so quick to put their troubles squarely on him. So what's wrong with geting an idea of how people feel if it was on Barea for a while? And to be honest from the posts around here, I get the impression many would be ok with it.

And of course health is a major part, it always is. A reason why it's in the top 5 of sports cliches after someone wins. But you do like to maximize your chances if the health gods aren't in your favor, especially if you consider yourself a contending team.

All things considered, I'm sure that a lot of people wouldn't mind if we had a better backup point guard behind Kidd than JJB, especially with Kidd getting older and needing more rest to be productive over the course of an entire season. The FO probably thought that Roddy could be that guy. When we found out that he might not be good enough to play point guard, it was too late to make any reasonable moves, not to mention that our main goal was to sign a backup power forward (Haslem, Harrington) and do something with the DUST chip.

I agree that the point guard position is something that could cause trouble eventually. We have a great thing going on at center and both forward spots. If Jet's off, we'll have Roddy. Right now, JJB's clearly no detriment to our success, even though that could change.

However, I do believe that every contending team has a spot or two where they cannot afford to lose a starter. For us, Kidd's one of our crucial players that we don't want to miss when a game is on the line.

BGMaverick9 · 12-10-2010, 05:04 PM

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Funkman · 12-10-2010, 05:28 PM

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All things considered, I'm sure that a lot of people wouldn't mind if we had a better backup point guard behind Kidd than JJB, especially with Kidd getting older and needing more rest to be productive over the course of an entire season. The FO probably thought that Roddy could be that guy. When we found out that he might not be good enough to play point guard, it was too late to make any reasonable moves, not to mention that our main goal was to sign a backup power forward (Haslem, Harrington) and do something with the DUST chip.

I agree that the point guard position is something that could cause trouble eventually. We have a great thing going on at center and both forward spots. If Jet's off, we'll have Roddy. Right now, JJB's clearly no detriment to our success, even though that could change.

However, I do believe that every contending team has a spot or two where they cannot afford to lose a starter. For us, Kidd's one of our cruc.ial players that we don't want to miss when a game is on the line.

Very true about the FO regarding Roddy. Summer league and the lack of play with the French team certainly created some doubts about Roddy at the point. Maybe there's still a chance, maybe there isn't. The way the team is playing, probably not a good idea to experiment during the season.

And there is a great thing going on with forward and center. Best Ive seen with this club. Maybe due to wanting a perfect Mavs world has me wishing the guard situation was just as great. That in case of losing a starter someone could be plugged in without losing a beat like the forwards and centers. Except for Dirk of course.

Also to follow up on BG's comment about JJ's jumper. With the struggles lately he probably is thinking too much instead of just letting it go. Not everyone has shooter's amnesia I guess. At least he's not taking bad shots, just not knocking the open ones down. I would be surprised if he's not working on it.

BGMaverick9 · 12-10-2010, 05:41 PM

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Also to follow up on BG's comment about JJ's jumper. With the struggles lately he probably is thinking too much instead of just letting it go. Not everyone has shooter's amnesia I guess. At least he's not taking bad shots, just not knocking the open ones down. I would be surprised if he's not working on it.

He is working on it, extensively. Numerous after practice workouts with DA working on his shot...it's got to come around eventually.