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Underdog · 03-09-2011, 11:19 PM

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btw:
Welcome to our newest member, "JASON TERRYS HEAD IS HUGE"

Troll incoming...lol

Good call.

clutch#41 · 03-09-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JASON TERRYS HEAD IS HUGE

They only signed him to keep him away from the spurs. The Mavs dont know how to utilize skill on their time.

he may be a troll but he's right

xrobx · 03-09-2011, 11:19 PM

How bad is Marion hurt

Underdog · 03-09-2011, 11:20 PM

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How bad is Marion hurt

Bruised ribs, nothing major...

dalger · 03-09-2011, 11:20 PM

Things aren't going too well right now and it doesn't look unlikely that the Lakers will be able to take the 2nd spot in the standings eventually. That's hardly good news. What's more concerning is that we seem to have lost an element that made us good in earlier in the season: a set rotation.

With only 20 games to go and Peja out, I just don't understand how we could play Stevenson heavy minutes at the 3 and give Cardinal extended minutes as well. At the same time, Brewer, who needs minutes to be a factor at all, gets a DNP.

Replacing Butler with an undersized shooting guard and putting Cardinal out there for more than 2 minutes isn't going to cut it in the playoffs, I'm afraid. That looks like a structural problem far worse than the rare choke job in the final minutes of a game.

mac222b · 03-09-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JASON TERRYS HEAD IS HUGE

They only signed him to keep him away from the spurs. The Mavs dont know how to utilize skill on their time.

Hey LOSER. even MAVS FANS are putting their own team down. That makes you dumb and redundant

clutch#41 · 03-09-2011, 11:22 PM

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I guess the "Roddy needs to play 48 minutes a night" crowd is still crying about Justin Bieber's haircut, so let's bitch about Corey Brewer not getting any burn instead...

Peja's injured, Marion's injured - why no Brewer??

you just dont understand the dynamics that roddy can bring to the mavs and release so much pressure off of dirk and terry in the 4th. zone d with chandler in the middle and a 3 guard lineup, we would be pretty sick. but carlisle is a genius and the mavs are unstoppable already so why change anything.

iella · 03-09-2011, 11:22 PM

Since late January, all 3 of the Mavs' losses have been by a single point.

mavs777 · 03-09-2011, 11:24 PM

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Since late January, all 3 of the Mavs' losses have been by a single point.

believe we have had a double digit lead in all of them too

LonghornDub · 03-09-2011, 11:24 PM

This team was much, much better defensively with Butler. Just sayin.

xrobx · 03-09-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by iella

Since late January, all 3 of the Mavs' losses have been by a single point.

Yep. All 3 of them the mavs blew big leads. We should be on like a 22 game win streak right now. Sucks.

Underdog · 03-09-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

you just dont understand the dynamics that roddy can bring to the mavs and release so much pressure off of dirk and terry in the 4th. zone d with chandler in the middle and a 3 guard lineup, we would be pretty sick. but carlisle is a genius and the mavs are unstoppable already so why change anything.

It's okay, dude - Justin's hair will grow back...

Why no Corey Brewer?

mac222b · 03-09-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I guess the "Roddy needs to play 48 minutes a night" crowd is still crying about Justin Bieber's haircut, so let's bitch about Corey Brewer not getting any burn instead...

Peja's injured, Marion's injured - why no Brewer??

i think at one point NO went with Emeka,West&Landry up front and Cardinal made more sense. But that doesn't explain why he wasn't in at all the entire game. CARlisle was all over the map in this one.

clutch#41 · 03-09-2011, 11:26 PM

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It's okay, dude - Justin's hair will grow back...

Why no Corey Brewer?

yeah man so will your balls. they have to grow sometime.

Underdog · 03-09-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

yeah man so will your balls. they have to grow sometime.

BURN!!!

Why no Corey Brewer?

mac222b · 03-09-2011, 11:27 PM

RC again took Rod out with like 6 mins to go in the 3rd and then Jet never came out but for like 30 seconds in the 4th. On the first nite of a back to back...
If we'd have one it would've been in spite of Rick's poor decisions.

Alykhan04 · 03-09-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

This team was much, much better defensively with Butler. Just sayin.

You know, I never thought of Butler as a great defender, but what else could explain our massive dropoff in defense since he's been out? It seems like everything went south on that side of the ball right around his injury.

Alykhan04 · 03-09-2011, 11:29 PM

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BURN!!!

Why no Corey Brewer?

He's obviously not doing something right in practice / over his first few games. Def. odd though. We were stretched real thin when Marion went down, and he stayed glued to the bench.

BGMaverick9 · 03-09-2011, 11:29 PM

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The Dallas Mavericks were unable to end their road woes against the New Orleans Hornets as they suffered a 93-92 loss on Wednesday night. The Mavericks have now lost 11 straight games (including the playoffs) in New Orleans. The Hornets finished the game on an 8-0 run and 20-10 run over the last 4:24 of the game. Dirk Nowitzki had a chance give the Mavericks the win, but he missed a highly-contested 17-foot fadeaway jumper over Emeka Okafor. Nowitzki did have a game-high 26 points. It would have been nicer if he finished with 28 points.

The Hornets played their second straight game without Chris Paul after sustaining a concussion in Sunday night's game against Cleveland. The Hornets are now 1-1 this season without Paul in the lineup. Over the last two seasons, the Hornets are 15-24 without Chris Paul. New Orleans has now won nine of the last 15 meetings with Dallas. The Mavericks won the previous 21 match-ups against the Hornets franchise from 2000-2007. The home team has now won all three games this year. All three games were decided by three points or less.

Looking on the bright side, the Mavericks have won 19 out of their last 22 games. The three losses came by a combined three points. The problem is that the three losses have been due to blowing double-digit leads in each game. The Mavericks desperately need to maintain their focus to maintain these leads. If things do not change, their playoff run could be shorter than expected.

the rest of the recap is up at http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/3/...-hornets-93-92

mac222b · 03-09-2011, 11:33 PM

I really thought this team was different this year. The way they were closing out games against the upper echelon teams. But this just reminds me of teams past that cant stand to get their lip bloodied a little.
To me Tyson(or anyone) not getting in his EX-teammate's face to stand up for his new one says alot. Others here may disagree but I'm disappointed. An oppurtunity missed bigger than a loss...

mavs777 · 03-09-2011, 11:36 PM

this is just a cursed lost, for somereason the gods say Dallas can't win in NO

She_Growls · 03-09-2011, 11:38 PM

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Naw man. The weak sauce was the entire Mavs team that stood and watched their best player get knocked down and didn't do shit. Tyson, Cardinal, Kidd none of them got up in West's grill. This team is SOFT. They deserved this loss.

Agreed! You know this is what pisses me off the most. I can accept a lost, but it's how....a bunch of wuzzies!!!!! They didn't respond to Marion going down either....this embarrasses me! What is wrong with them? Where is NVE when you need him....

GermanDunk · 03-09-2011, 11:45 PM

Come on, ladies. It´s just a defeat. You can only prevent losing by eating losses. That´s important for the playoff´s.

jthig32 · 03-09-2011, 11:49 PM

As much as this loss sucks, people really should be backing away from the ledge. We were on a pretty fantastic run before hitting this little rocky patch. And we WERE missing a very important piece of our team during that fateful choke job tonight.

This is an awful, awful loss, but this team has consistently shown an ability to ratchet things up in the games that really matter. Let's see what the next couple weeks show.

j0Shi · 03-09-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dalger

Things aren't going too well right now and it doesn't look unlikely that the Lakers will be able to take the 2nd spot in the standings eventually. That's hardly good news. What's more concerning is that we seem to have lost an element that made us good in earlier in the season: a set rotation.

With only 20 games to go and Peja out, I just don't understand how we could play Stevenson heavy minutes at the 3 and give Cardinal extended minutes as well. At the same time, Brewer, who needs minutes to be a factor at all, gets a DNP.

Replacing Butler with an undersized shooting guard and putting Cardinal out there for more than 2 minutes isn't going to cut it in the playoffs, I'm afraid. That looks like a structural problem far worse than the rare choke job in the final minutes of a game.

I don't get it either. I would think Carlisle has a rotation in mind for the playoffs and he should start using it now because guys need time to get comfortable. I really hope Peja and Marion won't miss extended time because then we finally would have the full roster back.

BGMaverick9 · 03-09-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

As much as this loss sucks, people really should be backing away from the ledge. We were on a pretty fantastic run before hitting this little rocky patch. And we WERE missing a very important piece of our team during that fateful choke job tonight.

This is an awful, awful loss, but this team has consistently shown an ability to ratchet things up in the games that really matter. Let's see what the next couple weeks show.

RE: Back away from the ledge

The last 3 losses came by a combined 3 points. No matter how bad they've been playing, they've barely lost those games.

Thomas86 · 03-09-2011, 11:58 PM

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Agreed! You know this is what pisses me off the most. I can accept a lost, but it's how....a bunch of wuzzies!!!!! They didn't respond to Marion going down either....this embarrasses me! What is wrong with them? Where is NVE when you need him....

The Mavs just might be the pretty boy's of the NBA...they don't like to get dirty and fight back seems like, the Spurs where playing dirty in last years playoffs and the only person that was willing to fight back was Najera.

I don't know how the playoffs are gonna play out but I REALLY hope it's not another first round exit.

mavs777 · 03-10-2011, 12:01 AM

tysonchandler Tyson Chandler
This was a tough loss especially for me I feel sick to my stomach! But I guess it's time to shake it off & on to the next 1

Get some sleep TC we need you

dalger · 03-10-2011, 12:03 AM

Well, perhaps we could give Carlisle the benefit of the doubt and say that he's really trying A LOT of different rotations to find out which one is the best. That said, we'll have to find a set rotation and stick with it at some point, preferably sooner than later.

Cardinal's 6'8'' and has grabbed a single rebound (!) in his last 48 minutes of play over four games. That's just beyond bad for a forward. Stevenson's not much better either. Both of these guys can't be the solution to play extended minutes at the 3 -- not with Roddy in the lineup, who's a below-average rebounder as well, and Dirk only averaging 6-7 rebounds per game.

j0Shi · 03-10-2011, 12:06 AM

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RE: Back away from the ledge

The last 3 losses came by a combined 3 points. No matter how bad they've been playing, they've barely lost those games.

Last 3 losses were also all against possible first round opponents. And in all of them we were in control at some point in the game. We led Memphis by 17 at halftime, Denver by 9 with 2:23 left and Hornets by 7 with 1:13 left. With upcoming games against the Lakers, Portland and Spurs I certainly don't hope its a trend.

BGMaverick9 · 03-10-2011, 12:08 AM

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Last 3 losses were also all against possible first round opponents. And in all of them we were in control at some point in the game. We led Memphis by 17 at halftime, Denver by 9 with 2:23 left and Hornets by 7 with 1:13 left. With upcoming games against the Lakers, Portland and Spurs I certainly don't hope its a trend.

Yes but, despite how crappy they played...they barely lost. Two of them were on the road and all three involved some form of a make-shift roster. That means that if they can fix their issues, things can get back on course.

LonghornDub · 03-10-2011, 12:09 AM

I couldn't honestly care less about losing 3 games by 1 point out of 22. That's an incredible run, really. My concern is what I see from the Mavs when I watch these games, which is very mediocre defense and often mediocre rebounding. Some of that is a function of personnel (e.g., I don't believe we have the backcourt to ever be a legitimate elite defensive team), but I also just don't often see a team that's really diggin in and getting after it.

I'm less liable to mention those things after wins, but they're present just about every game. I'd like to see this team take these next 5 weeks and start really, really buckling down and attempting to impose their will for 48 minutes. It won't always work, and they won't always win, but right now I feel like the effort is not consistently there.

She_Growls · 03-10-2011, 12:24 AM

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Yes but, despite how crappy they played...they barely lost. Two of them were on the road and all three involved some form of a make-shift roster. That means that if they can fix their issues, things can get back on course.

What? Barely lost? Unbelievable! There is no such thing in the real world...*sigh*

We freaking LOST a game we should have won period! The Mavs need to man-up, play defense for 48 freaking mins, play Roddy all 4Qs (PG & SG) while still working him into condition, start Corey Brewer @ the SF and if that doesn't get the job done------FIRE RICK CARLISLE.

CadBane · 03-10-2011, 12:35 AM

So Dirk goes for 26/4/3 on 10-18 shooting with a +2, yet all I'm hearing is how he lost the game and David West was in his head because of ONE turnover? Wow, just wow. Got to love this board. Yes, it was a horrible turnover, but without Dirk we aren't even in the game. The bigger issue is Mr. Ason Kidd.

0-7, nothing new. But hey, he had 7 assists and 0 turnovers, so it's all good. Coming into tonight Ason is shooting 37% from the field and 36% from three. It makes it REALLY difficult to win, especially in the playoffs, when your starting PG is probably the most inept scoring starter in the NBA.

She_Growls · 03-10-2011, 12:38 AM

CadBane, don't forget the coaching of RC:

Stat of the night: Brian Cardinal and DeShawn Stevenson combined to play 39 minutes, tripling Roddy Beaubois' 13 minutes. Stevenson and Cardinal combined for five points, one rebound and three assists. Beaubois had nine points, no rebounds and one assist.

CadBane · 03-10-2011, 12:40 AM

Also of note:

Terry, Cardinal, JJB, and DeShawn combined for THREE REBOUNDS in EIGHTY-SEVEN combined minutes.

Again, 3 rebounds in 87 minutes.

j0Shi · 03-10-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Yes but, despite how crappy they played...they barely lost. Two of them were on the road and all three involved some form of a make-shift roster. That means that if they can fix their issues, things can get back on course.

These make-shift rosters stick since Butler and Dirk went down, don't they?

But yeah thats an issue. Hopefully Carlisle will figure things out rather sooner than later.

41mvp · 03-10-2011, 12:41 AM

I hoped we win 60 games in this season but now I know it is impossible!!!
This is another stupid loss.Once again we had big lead(10 points in 4Q)and once again we can't finish a job!!!
Tonight we will try beat NY!I want know what Rick wants to do with our team
By the way I still believe in Dallas Mavericks power

jthig32 · 03-10-2011, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

So Dirk goes for 26/4/3 on 10-18 shooting with a +2, yet all I'm hearing is how he lost the game and David West was in his head because of ONE turnover? Wow, just wow. Got to love this board. Yes, it was a horrible turnover, but without Dirk we aren't even in the game. The bigger issue is Mr. Ason Kidd.

0-7, nothing new. But hey, he had 7 assists and 0 turnovers, so it's all good. Coming into tonight Ason is shooting 37% from the field and 36% from three. It makes it REALLY difficult to win, especially in the playoffs, when your starting PG is probably the most inept scoring starter in the NBA.

That "4" in the stat line is not a positive. And yes, Dirk had a quality offensive night and there are many other reasons that we lost, but I'm perfectly fine holding my superstar accountable for an atrocious turnover at a very crucial point. There's absolutely no reason for it not to be talked about.

j0Shi · 03-10-2011, 12:46 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...on-winning-fts

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"I don't know if Jarrett Jack gets that call," Terry said. "We know Kevin Durant does. You know Kobe may get it. But, I don't know about Jarrett Jack. That's just my personal opinion. So, we've got to live with it, take it on the chin and go ahead and get ready to get this next one."

Did JET basically say that it was indeed a foul, but the ref shouldn't have called it because Jack wasn't Kobe or Durant? Maybe I got sth wrong here, but otherwise thats stupid ...