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SMC0007 · 01-16-2018, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I can just see the Cavs making a desperation move. I can agree that the Nets pick may be dreamy, do they have their own first rounder that isn't in year 2030 and even then, what would the protections be? Matthews would fit them perfectly, IMO.

Yea Mess would be a way better fit there than here that's for sure. Noel too. I'm doubting they package the 1st rounder in a deal tho.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-16-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@wojespn: Sources: Cleveland considering packaging JR Smith and Nets first round pick to Dallas for Matthews, Noel, future first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Even joking about JR Smith coming here is a capital offense.

sefant77 · 01-16-2018, 09:16 PM

Im sure lebraaan loves Wes. Hard working smart player. And remember, with Lebron and IT there, he doesnt need to handle the ball. Just play defense and at offense, park in the corner.

With IT and Love the Cavs need all the defense they need.

IT
Wes
Crowder
Lebron
Love/TT

I see this actually working pretty well. And Lebron is still calling the shots there. No one also thought TT is going to get the max...but yeah i doubt the Cavs trade the Nets pick without at least an handshake agreement with Lebron to stay

sefant77 · 01-16-2018, 09:32 PM

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BPo001 · 01-16-2018, 10:05 PM

“I would say we are looking to use our cap space actively,” Cuban said Monday. “We will take back salary to get picks or guys we think can play.” This doesn’t mean you should expect a blockbuster before the deadline. But the kindling wood for a bonfire is in place. And don’t be surprised if you hear a lot of speculation between now and then.
1 day ago – via Dallas Morning News

Underdog · 01-16-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

“I would say we are looking to use our cap space actively,” Cuban said Monday. “We will take back salary to get picks or guys we think can play.” This doesn’t mean you should expect a blockbuster before the deadline. But the kindling wood for a bonfire is in place. And don’t be surprised if you hear a lot of speculation between now and then.
1 day ago – via Dallas Morning News

Good -- we should use our cap space to eat bad contracts bundled with picks.

SMC0007 · 01-17-2018, 12:20 AM

What we need is more older veterans to keep our young guns from playing. :/ orrrr bring up Motley and let him play. Bring up jalen jones and let's get the shit going with the kids. Jesus man.

Rick is a good coach but he's fucking up. There is a built in excuse to use after every game we lose if we are playing the kids. A free pass from almost everyone around here. What is the downside to doing this?

tap2390 · 01-17-2018, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

What we need is more older veterans to keep our young guns from playing. :/ orrrr bring up Motley and let him play. Bring up jalen jones and let's get the shit going with the kids. Jesus man.

Rick is a good coach but he's fucking up. There is a built in excuse to use after every game we lose if we are playing the kids. A free pass from almost everyone around here. What is the downside to doing this?

Rick is a good coach, and he is fucking up, but he's doing it for Dirk. And I can't really disagree. Dirk deserves to wear a Mavs jersey and force us to 'compete' for as long as he wants.

Underdog · 01-17-2018, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

What we need is more older veterans to keep our young guns from playing. :/ orrrr bring up Motley and let him play. Bring up jalen jones and let's get the shit going with the kids. Jesus man.

Rick is a good coach but he's fucking up. There is a built in excuse to use after every game we lose if we are playing the kids. A free pass from almost everyone around here. What is the downside to doing this?

I guess we'll have to see at the trade deadline -- if we can move any of Wes, Barea, Mejri, Devin, etc, then it's 100% because Rick has been showcasing them.

Also, he's playing the younger guys plenty... DSJ is tied with Donovan Mitchell for the highest usage rate in the league amongst rookies, undrafted Kleber has started 27/38 games played, Yogi is averaging about the same MPG as last year despite the addition of Dennis and a logjam at the guard positions, and Powell is averaging the highest MPG of his career... Seth and DFS obviously aren't playing because they're injured, and Noel's situation is what it is... Everyone else is getting plenty of burn in the G-League where they belong. Really, the only guy I'd like to see who isn't playing is Motley, and I have a feeling that could change after the deadline.

mac222b · 01-17-2018, 01:08 AM

Hard to see a scenario where Cleveland sends us that Brooklyn pick. It could easily be that we are once again being used as leverage to get DeAndre. I could see the Cavs own first being dealt for something like what was outlined above. In any scenario we take back salary. Could see Shump, Cavs pick, Zizic and Frye for JJ, Salah and Wes? Not sure if it makes sense moneywise

Underdog · 01-17-2018, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Hard to see a scenario where Cleveland sends us that Brooklyn pick. It could easily be that we are once again being used as leverage to get DeAndre. I could see the Cavs own first being dealt for something like what was outlined above. In any scenario we take back salary. Could see Shump, Cavs pick, Zizic and Frye for JJ, Salah and Wes? Not sure if it makes sense moneywise

Not sure if either side would do that deal, but it works financially.

mac222b · 01-17-2018, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not sure if either side would do that deal, but it works financially.

Not sure if either side would do it myself. If I’m MBT i probably say no as the pick projects to be around 25. It would hinge on whether or how much they like Zizic or Osman and either/or is available

DirkFTW · 01-17-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Even joking about JR Smith coming here is a capital offense.

But we could pair Smith Jr and JR Smith! Think of the symmetry!

SMC0007 · 01-17-2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I guess we'll have to see at the trade deadline -- if we can move any of Wes, Barea, Mejri, Devin, etc, then it's 100% because Rick has been showcasing them.

Also, he's playing the younger guys plenty... DSJ is tied with Donovan Mitchell for the highest usage rate in the league amongst rookies, undrafted Kleber has started 27/38 games played, Yogi is averaging about the same MPG as last year despite the addition of Dennis and a logjam at the guard positions, and Powell is averaging the highest MPG of his career... Seth and DFS obviously aren't playing because they're injured, and Noel's situation is what it is... Everyone else is getting plenty of burn in the G-League where they belong. Really, the only guy I'd like to see who isn't playing is Motley, and I have a feeling that could change after the deadline.

Motley doesnt belong in the g league tho. He is needing the NBA level competition more than the gleauge to grow imo. I've watched the vast majority of games and he is just out of their league.. It's almost not fair.

dirt_dobber · 01-17-2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Motley doesnt belong in the g league tho. He is needing the NBA level competition more than the gleauge to grow imo. I've watched the vast majority of games and he is just out of their league.. It's almost not fair.

Perfectly agree! I would like to see him grow in both experience in the NBA and along side of DSJ. I like every thing about him and his hustle and attitude.

sefant77 · 01-17-2018, 11:04 AM

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ng-To-Deadline

Well, that was obv too. Cavs get a better feeling where the pick probably end up...

Underdog · 01-17-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Motley doesnt belong in the g league tho. He is needing the NBA level competition more than the gleauge to grow imo. I've watched the vast majority of games and he is just out of their league.. It's almost not fair.

Yeah, that's why I said I'd like to see more of him, and we probably will after the trade deadline... He's currently on a 2-way contract, which limits him to only 45 days on the Mavs roster, some of which he's already used. They're not going to burn through that just to take a look at a guy they already know -- they're saving those days in case one of our bigs gets injured.

But I have a pretty good feeling he'll end up getting a guaranteed contract once we clear up a roster spot at the trade deadline. It's just a timing/contract issue for now.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-17-2018, 12:01 PM

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Yeah, that's why I said I'd like to see more of him, and we probably will after the trade deadline... He's currently on a 2-way contract, which limits him to only 45 days on the Mavs roster, some of which he's already used. They're not going to burn through that just to take a look at a guy they already know -- they're saving those days in case one of our bigs gets injured.

But I have a pretty good feeling he'll end up getting a guaranteed contract once we clear up a roster spot at the trade deadline. It's just a timing/contract issue for now.

A-Nerlens, a-Noel. No-a-no-a-Noel.

Underdog · 01-17-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Hard to see a scenario where Cleveland sends us that Brooklyn pick. It could easily be that we are once again being used as leverage to get DeAndre. I could see the Cavs own first being dealt for something like what was outlined above. In any scenario we take back salary. Could see Shump, Cavs pick, Zizic and Frye for JJ, Salah and Wes? Not sure if it makes sense moneywise

Had a back-and-forth with Isaac Harris on Twitter about prying that Nets pick away from Cleveland, and he agrees there's pretty much zero chance of getting it with the players we have to offer, even if we eat a bad contract... Cleveland needs the option to rebuild if LeBron leaves.

So I kicked it up a notch -- what if we threw in our 2019 first-rounder without conditions? Something like Wes/Barea/Noel/2019 first for Smith/Shump/Osman/Nets 2018 first seems like it could work... We'd give Cleveland ammo to rebuild if LeBron bolts, along with $18.5m of cap relief in 19-20 and some players who could help them win now (while getting rid of deadweight).

Not sure if the Cavs go for it, but Dallas should be all over it. We'd get two top-10 picks in this draft, both of which should be better than whoever we can get in 2019 -- especially since the draft pool will be shallower, plus I doubt we end up with a top-10 pick if Dennis keeps progressing and whoever we get this summer pans out... Just going by the current Tankathon projections, the Mavs would end up with Michael Porter Jr and Wendell Carter... Totally worth it.

saclare · 01-17-2018, 06:44 PM

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Had a back-and-forth with Isaac Harris on Twitter about prying that Nets pick away from Cleveland, and he agrees there's pretty much zero chance of getting it with the players we have to offer, even if we eat a bad contract... Cleveland needs the option to rebuild if LeBron leaves.

So I kicked it up a notch -- what if we threw in our 2019 first-rounder without conditions? Something like Wes/Barea/Noel/2019 first for Smith/Shump/Osman/Nets 2018 first seems like it could work... We'd give Cleveland ammo to rebuild if LeBron bolts, along with $18.5m of cap relief in 19-20 and some players who could help them win now (while getting rid of deadweight).

Not sure if the Cavs go for it, but Dallas should be all over it. We'd get two top-10 picks in this draft, both of which should be better than whoever we can get in 2019 -- especially since the draft pool will be shallower, plus I doubt we end up with a top-10 pick if Dennis keeps progressing and whoever we get this summer pans out... Just going by the current Tankathon projections, the Mavs would end up with Michael Porter Jr and Wendell Carter... Totally worth it.

I like the outside the box thinking. It could work, although fully admitting I haven't even looked at the 2019 draft class. Getting two of the top 10 players in this draft would be nice. What do project us at next year? If it's late lottery and up, yea I think you pull the trigger.

Underdog · 01-17-2018, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I like the outside the box thinking. It could work, although fully admitting I haven't even looked at the 2019 draft class. Getting two of the top 10 players in this draft would be nice. What do project us at next year? If it's late lottery and up, yea I think you pull the trigger.

Depends on what moves we make, but I'm thinking we land outside the top-10 for the 2019 draft, possibly even push for the 8th seed next season... So mid-first round? There are some nice players projected in that range, but nobody on par with Jaren Jackson, Mikal Bridges, Wendell Carter, Miles Bridges, etc. (which is also why Cleveland might reject such a trade -- they gotta figure we'll get better with two top-10 picks, right?)

And with how bad the Nets suck, there's always a chance their pick ends up being even better than ours. I mean, in this scenario we could possibly end up with two top-5 picks, since we're almost guaranteed to lose more games if guys like Wes and Barea are shipped out for trash like JR Smith... Imagine walking out of this draft with Porter/Doncic or Porter/Bamba or Doncic/Bamba... Honestly, I'd probably take any of those combinations over even the #1 pick in the 2019 draft.

/end fantasy

Bryan_Wilson · 01-17-2018, 08:54 PM

I would ship a future pick to get the the nets pick but I think their pick will fall outside the top 6. I'm ok with that though because we know no matter what happens this year we are again going to try and win games next year. We aren't going to keep drafting in the top 10. We have money to spend in free agency also unless we take on salary for an additional pick, when we strike out on the first options we will again be looking for reclamation to compete, especially since Dirk is likely going to be back again. So I'd do it, but I'm not hopeful for 2 picks in the top 6. Maybe we get super lucky with the ottery balls and one of those picks goes up there but I think Brooklyn is just good enough to not be a top 6 pick. They are playing decent some games and they are w/out Russell who was playing fantastic before injury. He was averaging just about 21/6/5 before injury.

EricaLubarsky · 01-17-2018, 08:54 PM

I am so terrified to get my hopes up

MavzMan · 01-18-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ng-To-Deadline

Well, that was obv too. Cavs get a better feeling where the pick probably end up...

Maybe I'm being picky on the wording, but it says they "prefer" to keep the pick. I would prefer to trade our 2nd round pick for Lebron, but it's not going to happen. Realistically, if Lebron wants to win now or within the next few years while staying in Cleveland, they will have to trade that pick for instant help in both better players and cap relief on their bad contracts.

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I am so terrified to get my hopes up

I'm there also. So many situations that could greatly help the Mavs ... but they have yet to happen.

EricaLubarsky · 01-18-2018, 10:39 PM

Basketball is a harsh mistress and this trade deadline is going to be tough.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-19-2018, 12:49 PM

I don't really care who we trade for at the deadline as long as we get a young stud in the draft to pair with the young kid.

I really only see Cleveland, Orlando, and Lakers are legit partners anyway, but I guess we'll see.

Melonhead · 01-19-2018, 01:38 PM

Not getting my hopes up at all. And its a pipedream to think Cavs will part with that pick. Lebron isnt guaranteeing staying in Cleveland, then I wouldnt do it either. But then again, theres only one lebron so maybe Dan tries to appease him? I dont see it.

Underdog · 01-19-2018, 01:56 PM

Restricted Free Agents the Dallas Mavericks Might Target in a Trade
https://thesmokingcuban.com/2018/01/...-target-trade/

saclare · 01-19-2018, 02:45 PM

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Restricted Free Agents the Dallas Mavericks Might Target in a Trade
https://thesmokingcuban.com/2018/01/...-target-trade/

Parker would be a pipe dream, I think. Milwaukee loves him and he's about to return from his injury. I would love to add him but do not think he would be available in a trade. Their forward depth sucks beyond Giannis and Middleton.

Still think Julius Randle is likeliest of this list. I would welcome the chance to see how he can fit the system.

Hood makes some sense, but the blurb on defense creates some reserves for me. I haven't watched enough of him to make an informed opinion, other than I know he can shoot/score well.

Others don't do much for me. Smart can't hit the broad side of a barn. Exum may be enticing due to age and supposed availability, but he can't seem to stay on the court. And McCaw is relatively unknown, and the shooting may be on par with Smart.

saclare · 01-19-2018, 02:50 PM

Perhaps someone here can talk me into some of these Orlando rumors. The stuff I've seen just doesn't interest me at all, and doesn't seem to make sense for either team. No doubt they do not want to part with Gordon or Isaac and those are essentially the only two players I'd touch on that roster. Perhaps Fournier or Vucevic do something for us and them to unload some salary, but what would a trade like that look like?

tap2390 · 01-19-2018, 02:51 PM

The only players who interest me on that list are Hood and Smart... preferably Smart.

Underdog · 01-19-2018, 03:47 PM

@ZCunninghamNBA: Per @fishsports, the Hornets have touched base with the #Mavs regarding a potential three-way trade for Kemba Walker.

NOTE - Dallas is NOT interested in Walker himself ... but would like to be part of a 3-team swap and be rewarded for its role.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-19-2018, 04:09 PM

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@ZCunninghamNBA: Per @fishsports, the Hornets have touched base with the #Mavs regarding a potential three-way trade for Kemba Walker.

NOTE - Dallas is NOT interested in Walker himself ... but would like to be part of a 3-team swap and be rewarded for its role.

Ugh, fishsports...

I'm sure we'll tough base with more than half the league. If someone else reports that, then I'll take it more seriously.

EricaLubarsky · 01-19-2018, 04:55 PM

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@ZCunninghamNBA: Per @fishsports, the Hornets have touched base with the #Mavs regarding a potential three-way trade for Kemba Walker.

NOTE - Dallas is NOT interested in Walker himself ... but would like to be part of a 3-team swap and be rewarded for its role.

Fish is awful, but I like the idea that we're facilitating.

Help people match salaries. Get assets

saclare · 01-19-2018, 05:40 PM

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Fish is awful, but I like the idea that we're facilitating.

Help people match salaries. Get assets

I'm starting to get tired of him on twitter. What other handles can I follow for Mavs and Cowboys? He seems to have inside information, but I can't stand the way he uses twitter. Not worth the occasional blurb he might have before someone else. He also loves to pat himself on the back when one of his many "predictions" or "ideas" comes to fruition, despite the many others that don't.

tap2390 · 01-19-2018, 09:11 PM

Kemba to 76ers

Amir Johnson & TJ McConnell to Charlotte

Philly 1st Rounder and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to Mavs

(Charlotte could also just take Philly's 1st but then they'd have to keep MKG at $13 mill for two seasons after this current season)

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-19-2018, 09:50 PM

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Kemba to 76ers

Amir Johnson & TJ McConnell to Charlotte

Philly 1st Rounder and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to Mavs

(Charlotte could also just take Philly's 1st but then they'd have to keep MKG at $13 mill for two seasons after this current season)

Is that your idea or something you read/heard?