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Budapest Maverick · 07-06-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LionDallas

Bynum just for the right price and with a health clause.

Pekovic, Gortat and Asik good options to.

Any chance to get Varejão?

I'd love to have Pek, probaby the best low-post scorer in the NBA, and actually an underrated defender, he had some great synergy stats last season if i remember correctly. Gortat, i would love also, nowhere near the low-post scorer Pek is,

but quicker, a little better rebounder, and probably better pick&roll defender. Asik, well, we all know, he is an elite defender, and rebounder, would also love to have him, especially playing behind Calderon and probably Carter.

Varejao, great rebounder, good pick&roll defender, great flopper, would also help us out a ton, but i don't think we have the assets. For Gortat, we could put something together with Marion, for Varejao, it's unlikely.

Asik is also unlikely btw, Houston wouldn't have any interest in Marion imo, they would love his defense on Durant, but they need Parson's spacing badly, and he is good defender, though obviously not on Marion's level.

And then there is Bynum. Probably the best, or 2nd best 2-way center when healthy, which he rarely is... I would take a chance on him, sure, as someone else wrote, what else do we have to lose at this point?

mavs777 · 07-06-2013, 09:12 AM

Stein just tweeted out that the mavs interest in Bynum is legit and they are pursuing him but will evaluate him first

nowhereman · 07-06-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

I didn't mention Collins. But Brand or O'neal for super cheap would be as Pappavich would like to call "insurance. That's if we get Bynum.

You don't get the point.

When Bynum can't play, we're stuck with those guys as our starters and a whole mess of powder. You're basically punting the year away for more powder.

sike · 07-06-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Stein just tweeted out that the mavs interest in Bynum is legit and they are pursuing him but will evaluate him first

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 6m

Mavs' post-Dwight interest in Bynum is legit. They ARE pursuing him. Yet it's been made clear they'll make detailed/careful evaluation

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2013, 09:27 AM

Calderon/Bynum would be about as solid of a plan B as you could ask for. If Casey Smith gives the green light, then hell yeah. Plus, I'm hoping Bynum has at least three years left since he is still only 25. He'll probably miss 20 games a year (grr that's why you draft Dieng!) but it might be worth it.

mavs777 · 07-06-2013, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Calderon/Bynum would be about as solid of a plan B as you could ask for. If Casey Smith gives the green light, then hell yeah. Plus, I'm hoping Bynum has at least three years left since he is still only 25. He'll probably miss 20 games a year (grr that's why you draft Dieng!) but it might be worth it.

Mavs can go over the cap to resign Wright right? If so I would much rather have him as the backup plan to Bynum than Dieng, he is terrific on offense and has improved his defense a lot over the last 2 years. Dieng is severely limited offensively

Budapest Maverick · 07-06-2013, 09:47 AM

Awesome. If we get him, the first and most important thing is that our FO, coaches, Dirk, and whoever, has to convince Bynum that he needs to lose some f*****g weight. If he will start the season overweight, you can kiss goodbye to any chances for him being healthy. He needs to grow up once and for all, and realize his potential.

DGM · 07-06-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Awesome. If we get him, the first and most important thing is that our FO, coaches, Dirk, and whoever, has to convince Bynum that he needs to lose some f*****g weight. If he will start the season overweight, you can kiss goodbye to any chances for him being healthy. He needs to grow up once and for all, and realize his potential.

Agreed. He was too big in 11/12 season. Bynum, when healthy, is as good as Howard (better offensively). It's time for something to turn out right for the Mavs with acquisitions. At this point he is low risk and a potential high reward. He's almost three years younger than Howard.

sike · 07-06-2013, 11:28 AM

Agreed on Calderon/Bynum being a potentially AMAZING plan B. IF Dirk is Back Fully Healthy and he and Calderon Click and IF Bynum is back to his old self, this team could fight it out in middle of the pack of the West.

dude1394 · 07-06-2013, 11:44 AM

If...if...if... If oden could come back that would be good.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2013, 11:48 AM

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If...if...if... If oden could come back that would be good.

Bynum is an NBA champ who still has value. Oden is a NBA chump who hasn't even played a full season worth of games in his entire career.

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2013, 11:50 AM

With Howard gone its between a safe, mediocre center like Asik or a multiple time Allstar that could potentially be an injury bust or an incredible deal.

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

With Howard gone its between a safe, mediocre center like Asik or a multiple time Allstar that could potentially be an injury bust or an incredible deal.

I disagree that Asik is a mediocre center. He just came off his first real year as a starter and pulled down a double-double average and is an elite defender.

marc9211 · 07-06-2013, 11:56 AM

I would have Asik a top 10 possibly top 8 center in the league.. Definitely not mediocre.

spreedom · 07-06-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

With Howard gone its between a safe, mediocre center like Asik or a multiple time Allstar that could potentially be an injury bust or an incredible deal.

spreedom · 07-06-2013, 12:02 PM

I will say, though, that if the Rockets don't need to clear cap space to sign Dwight, the odds that they trade Asik to us are very long indeed. Why trade a really good player that you can just keep to a division opponent when there are 20 teams that could use a better center right now?

FreshJive · 07-06-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Awesome. If we get him, the first and most important thing is that our FO, coaches, Dirk, and whoever, has to convince Bynum that he needs to lose some f*****g weight. If he will start the season overweight, you can kiss goodbye to any chances for him being healthy. He needs to grow up once and for all, and realize his potential.

He's going to start the season overweight. His agent says he won't try out, because he hasn't started training yet.

sike · 07-06-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

He's going to start the season overweight. His agent says he won't try out, because he hasn't started training yet.

Don't need him to "try out", need him to pass physical.

FreshJive · 07-06-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Don't need him to "try out", need him to pass physical.

"Try out" was not the important part. It's the fact that he hasn't started training yet. He's going to be out of shape.

Aggie E · 07-06-2013, 12:38 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...rgery/1961019/

Pretty ugly outlook for Bynum and any team that wants to waste the time to try to sign him. this report pretty much looks like the kids career is over...

Aggie E · 07-06-2013, 12:39 PM

"I think I'll be able to play in some form or fashion in the future," Bynum said Friday. "I think they are getting close with things to do for articular cartilage. They just grew cartilage in a Petri dish, so I think science is looking at it, doctors are looking at it and this is a serious problem and they're going to come up with something."

sike · 07-06-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

"Try out" was not the important part. It's the fact that he hasn't started training yet. He's going to be out of shape.

I get what you're saying, but he has 4 months before game 1. If he is healthy, Mavs trainers can get him ready.

Unless what you are subtly suggesting is that it is a bad sign of the kid's heart/head that he hasn't started training yet.

Underdog · 07-06-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aggie E

"I think I'll be able to play in some form or fashion in the future," Bynum said Friday. "I think they are getting close with things to do for articular cartilage. They just grew cartilage in a Petri dish, so I think science is looking at it, doctors are looking at it and this is a serious problem and they're going to come up with something."

I think I'm gonna pass, thanks...

Any chance we can still trade for Cousins? Maybe not now, but before the deadline?

DisraeliGears · 07-06-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Agreed on Calderon/Bynum being a potentially AMAZING plan B. IF Dirk is Back Fully Healthy and he and Calderon Click and IF Bynum is back to his old self, this team could fight it out in middle of the pack of the West.

And even if Bynum isn't back to his old self, there are options to be had. I see Bynum going down in one of 3 ways.

A. Head on straight+ Knees on straight= Averages 18 and 12, plays great defense, great value over 3 years.

B. Head still crazy+ Knees on straight= Averages 18 and 12, plays alright defense, demands a contract restructure the following year for max money.

C. Head crazy+ Knees crappy= Barely plays, Mavs tank and get a top 10 (but probably not top 3 sadly) pick, cut Bynum in summer of '14

The worst option here is B, certainly, but we would still have an out hopefully, and if that's the case, we'd either cut him or trade him, and grab Cousins for $14/year. Same thing if C happens, but we probably get a good pick in a good draft as well.

sike · 07-06-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DisraeliGears

And even if Bynum isn't back to his old self, there are options to be had. I see Bynum going down in one of 3 ways.

A. Head on straight+ Knees on straight= Averages 18 and 12, plays great defense, great value over 3 years.

B. Head still crazy+ Knees on straight= Averages 18 and 12, plays alright defense, demands a contract restructure the following year for max money.

C. Head crazy+ Knees crappy= Barely plays, Mavs tank and get a top 10 (but probably not top 3 sadly) pick, cut Bynum in summer of '14

The worst option here is B, certainly, but we would still have an out hopefully, and if that's the case, we'd either cut him or trade him, and grab Cousins for $14/year. Same thing if C happens, but we probably get a good pick in a good draft as well.

+rep

He15man · 07-06-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I think I'm gonna pass, thanks...

Any chance we can still trade for Cousins? Maybe not now, but before the deadline?

The Kings want to build their team around Cousins, they are not going to trade him.

FreshJive · 07-06-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I get what you're saying, but he has 4 months before game 1. If he is healthy, Mavs trainers can get him ready.

Unless what you are subtly suggesting is that it is a bad sign of the kid's heart/head that he hasn't started training yet.

It's either his heart/head or he's not healthy enough, yet. Either way, he will more than likely not be in top shape by the time the season starts, and he will be under pressure to play even if he's not exactly ready if there is a health clause. I'm also skeptical that a physical and a look at medical records will be much of a predictor. He passed inspection by the doctors in Philadelphia.

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2013, 01:05 PM

Asik is overrated for a 15mill cap hit.

DisraeliGears · 07-06-2013, 01:07 PM

@ Underdog

"I think I'll be able to play in some form or fashion in the future," Bynum said Friday. "I think they are getting close with things to do for articular cartilage. They just grew cartilage in a Petri dish, so I think science is looking at it, doctors are looking at it and this is a serious problem and they're going to come up with something."

If he actually was saying this then man, what is wrong with him. He wants a large contract right? Why is he talking about his cartilage being grown in a petri dish. Anyhow, we really can't trade for Cousins unless he starts demanding out, but as I mentioned, Bynum's at worst a years rental before we go get him in RFA.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2013, 01:11 PM

They key is whether Bynum understands that he isn't going to get anywhere near a max contract. He'll be having a loooong summer if he honestly believes that. Also haven't heard much buzz of other teams being interested.

Aggie E · 07-06-2013, 01:16 PM

Bynum was given the choice to play last year as the Philly doctors Ok'd him to return to the team to practice and play. He did not do so becuase he felt some amount of pain and some knee swelling. Those issues wont change...

Underdog · 07-06-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by He15man

The Kings want to build their team around Cousins, they are not going to trade him.

Maybe the Kings haven't gotten the memo, but the players run this league... Kings' DeMarcus Cousins wants a max extension or a trade

They better pony up yesterday, or else he's a goner.

FreshJive · 07-06-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Asik is overrated for a 15mill cap hit.

It's only 8 even if he is traded, right?

saclare · 07-06-2013, 01:33 PM

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It's only 8 even if he is traded, right?

I thought it was $8MM something to the cap, but owed $30MM over the next two seasons. Meaning he won't count $15MM to the cap each of the next two years.

spreedom · 07-06-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Asik is overrated for a 15mill cap hit.

Cap hit is barely half that. $8,374,646 each of the next two years.

You're confusing "cap hit" with "actual money owed".

MavsFTR · 07-06-2013, 01:50 PM

How quickly they forget our experience with former Lakers...

Budapest Maverick · 07-06-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

He's going to start the season overweight. His agent says he won't try out, because he hasn't started training yet.

That shouldn't mean he will start the season overweight, all he'd need to do is to get on a good diet. If he can't do that when his career is in jeopardy, then obviously won't ever do it.

j0Shi · 07-06-2013, 02:01 PM

I'd take Bynum for the vets minimum.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 07-06-2013, 02:17 PM

A Zach Lowe column a few days ago said that the KMart and Buddy signings only leave Minny about $10MM for Peko (maybe a tad more if a few moves are done).

No idea if he's correct, but if so, couldn't/shouldn't we throw $12-$13MM at him and see?

spreedom · 07-06-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi

A Zach Lowe column a few days ago said that the KMart and Buddy signings only leave Minny about $10MM for Peko (maybe a tad more if a few moves are done).

No idea if he's correct, but if so, couldn't/shouldn't we throw $12-$13MM at him and see?

I think we'd have to reduce payroll to make such an offer. We have about $10M in cap space right now. Might mean trading Vince. Worth it, for sure, if we ended up getting Pek, but is it worth losing Vince just for a shot at him?

Not positive Pek is a good enough fit next to Dirk/Calderon to take that kind of a chance.