The Mavs are a Mediocre Team

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

I can give you two boards that ought to talk about them: San Antonio and Los Angeles. I'd say playoff statistics are a pretty big part of what those franchises hang there hat on. But you do come from Houston, where they're a little short on encouraging playoff performances lately, so I guess I understand your confusion.

I understand that playoff stats are important since as a Rockets fan I have gotten a chance to enjoy some statistical performances in the Finals for two championships, dont think you can say that as a Mavs fan? Cowboys fan, for sure but not a Mavs fan.

My point is where do they include playoff stats with regular season stats? They are kept separately but some Mavs fans dont realize that.

[dude1394]

, one should probably go back to the Rockets' board and dazzle them over there.

This is a good, sayonara stevie..

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC

That's 'stretching' about as much as it takes to 'think'.

There have been occasions when a player was traded in mid-season, with the result being that he played more than 82 games. Should "they" (whoever "they" are) only consider his last 82 games?

If you want to assess a player's performance in a given year, you should look at his actual production in all games played, playoffs included.

If you want to try to talk smack about a given player, then you cut the statistics as narrowly as you please to try to make some distorted point.........in which case, one should probably go back to the Rockets' board and dazzle them over there.

Let meeee sayyyyyyyyyy itttttttttttttttttt ssssssllllllllllllloooooowwwwwwww.

Regular season, playoffs. Two different things.

If a player was traded in mid-season and he plays a couple of more games in the regular season then those stats are in the regular season, not the playoffs. Players dont get traded in the playoffs. Dooh! It aint about cutting stats its about you adding the playoffs to boost your stats and proving a distorted point.

[kg_veteran]

Stevie, you're starting to troll. You've derailed this whole thread; if you want to trash talk about how the Rockets have won titles and the Mavs haven't, well, go live in the past elsewhere.

This thread is about the Mavericks and their current status, not whether Yao Ming is a better rebounder than Dirk Nowitzki.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Stevie, you're starting to troll. You've derailed this whole thread; if you want to trash talk about how the Rockets have won titles and the Mavs haven't, well, go live in the past elsewhere.

This thread is about the Mavericks and their current status, not whether Yao Ming is a better rebounder than Dirk Nowitzki.

Thankyou....The whole thread is hosed.

[NYCdog]

I'm not a fan of either team but...............YOU GUYS ARE WAY OFF BASE!!!!!

Steve is not trolling..............he made a logical point about the Mavs lack of Defense WITHOUT bringing his team, the Rockets, into this.

And then some smart-ass decided to trash his team, the Rockets for for it.............

Dont remeber the comment that started it all...............let me refresh your memory.

Yes, one play, Mason is extremely athletic, I think what's worse is Yao's rpg for a 7"6 "star"

Steve is simply defending his team............not TROLLING by any means. So get off his nutts already.........

And BTW.............Steve has valid points about playoff stats too. That's why the MVP is normally awarded during the playoffs (i.e. Olajuwon 94, Robinson 95 etc)..........cause playoff stats are spereate from regular season.

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Stevie, you're starting to troll. You've derailed this whole thread; if you want to trash talk about how the Rockets have won titles and the Mavs haven't, well, go live in the past elsewhere.

This thread is about the Mavericks and their current status, not whether Yao Ming is a better rebounder than Dirk Nowitzki.

Don't say I derailed this thread. My initial post was about Dallas lack of defense and what it would take to be an elite team again. It was Mavs4three who started derailing this thread with his/her talk of Yao Mings rebound per game. Go back and check the posts.

Then ya buddy dude1394 starts talking about the past with his saying of "When you guys get out of the first round (oh make that get into the playoffs) them come back and yack. You sound just LIKE stevie franchise, it's a good name for you." Thats talking in the past.

Then I was called a dumbass, a knucklehead and a lunkhead by the two above mentionded posters and then told to STF by MavKikiNYC. I never called them out of their name but I am the troll? You could have nipped this in the bud many post ago.

Anyways to get back to my original statement, Defense is what wins championships and until Dallas learns to do that, they will be a mediocre team this year.

[grndmstr_c]

My point is where do they include playoff stats with regular season stats? They are kept separately but some Mavs fans dont realize that.

Oh, okay. You want to treat playoff stats separately from regular season stats. Fine. Dirk averages 10.9 RPG for his career in the playoffs.

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: NYCdog
I'm not a fan of either team but...............YOU GUYS ARE WAY OFF BASE!!!!!

Steve is not trolling..............he made a logical point about the Mavs lack of Defense WITHOUT bringing his team, the Rockets, into this.

And then some smart-ass decided to trash his team, the Rockets for for it.............

Dont remeber the comment that started it all...............let me refresh your memory.

Steve is simply defending his team............not TROLLING by any means. So get off his nutts already.........

And BTW.............Steve has valid points about playoff stats too. That's why the MVP is normally awarded during the playoffs (i.e. Olajuwon 94, Robinson 95 etc)..........cause playoff stats are spereate from regular season.

A BIG THANK YOU.


I am sure glad that someone from a neutral stance could see what was going on. KG could have also stopped a lot of this a long time ago, epsecially the name calling.

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

Oh, okay. You want to treat playoff stats separately from regular season stats. Fine. Dirk averages 10.9 RPG for his career in the playoffs.

Its not that I "treat playoffs stats separately", its because the NBA does and my original point was that Dirk never had averaged 10 for the regular season, so I am not sure what point you are trying to prove on what he has done in the playoffs other than to say maybe a cheap shot that the Rockets havent made the playoffs lately?

[NYCdog]

A BIG THANK YOU.

No probs.............I just felt that some people round these parts couldnt handle the truth you brought to the table.

and now that a "non-Rocket fan" agrees with your point of view, all of this bashing of you and your team SHOULD stop and we can finally get back to the original business at hand..............what's wrong with the Mavs.

[kg_veteran]

NYCDog - Your take on the thread is different than mine. I see StevieFranchise coming in with a smartass, simplistic, stereotypical statement like "Defense. Defense. Defense. That's what wins championships," and I know good and well he's just trying to stir crap up.

That's not bringing truth to the table. That's just spouting media hype.

You can't just say "defense wins championships". It's NEVER that simple. He says the Rockets lead the league in FG% defense. I can tell you right now there's no way that team has a realistic shot at winning a title. And no one would disagree with me. So it ain't like "defense wins championships". It takes more than that.

It Stevie wants to come in and give a thoughtful post about why the Mavericks are suffering defensively or talk about what they could do to improve, fine. But just throwing that one-liner out there IS trolling.

[Chiwas]

You can't just say "defense wins championships". It's NEVER that simple.

That's right. Tactics using offense and defense, more offense or more defense depending on the identity of the team, on the opposite team, and on the circumstances (injuries, tiredness, home or road, etc), but always both present, or better yet, in a balanced way.

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
NYCDog - Your take on the thread is different than mine. I see StevieFranchise coming in with a smartass, simplistic, stereotypical statement like "Defense. Defense. Defense. That's what wins championships," and I know good and well he's just trying to stir crap up.

That's not bringing truth to the table. That's just spouting media hype.

You can't just say "defense wins championships". It's NEVER that simple. He says the Rockets lead the league in FG% defense. I can tell you right now there's no way that team has a realistic shot at winning a title. And no one would disagree with me. So it ain't like "defense wins championships". It takes more than that.

It Stevie wants to come in and give a thoughtful post about why the Mavericks are suffering defensively or talk about what they could do to improve, fine. But just throwing that one-liner out there IS trolling.

I'll give you that a team isnt going to win a championship with defense alone, there must be somewhat of a balance and as soon as my Rox can find a little more offense then we will be alright.

But defense does win championships. Name me a team that has won the NBA championship that wasnt a leader in defense? S.A.? LA? Chicago? My Rox? Detroit? Our first championship was won with uglyball.

And this year we have as much of a chance as the Mavericks to contend.

Also it doesnt take a thoughtful post as to why the Mavericks are suffering defensively, they just dont have players who are capable of playing individual or team defense. Dirk? Nash? Walker? Antoine? None of these guys play D on a consistent enough basis. These guys just dont cut it at all on defense, they play matador defense.

And who do you have to stop up the paint or intimidate in the paint? No one. The only halfway decent defensive players you have are Finley and the rookie Howard and on occasions Bradley because he just gets in the way.

Your team isnt built for defense. It is predicated on high octane offense and to try and outscore the opponent. I have also said in the past they need a bruiser in the paint to improve. Dont know what I need to add to that?

Also BTW is it also ok for me to be called names? When will that be cleaned up?

[SaltwaterChaffy]

This thread seems knee-jerk to the extreme. This thread comes after the loss to the Bucks the night before. If it had come after our four game losing streak, it would have made sense. But it comes after a loss that ended a four game winning streak. I'll take a 4 to 1 win pace, or even a 3 to 1 win pace and be extremely happy. We got things going in the Sac game, and then continued it. If this loss leads to a losing streak, then I will shut my mouth. But for right now, this seems unnecessary.

[Walkerforthree]

Ok, the Mavs need D to win the championship. Now Houston, they need to get to the playoffs to win the championship

you like simplicity?

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: stevie_franchise3

I'll give you that a team isnt going to win a championship with defense alone, there must be somewhat of a balance and as soon as my Rox can find a little more offense then we will be alright.

But defense does win championships. Name me a team that has won the NBA championship that wasnt a leader in defense? S.A.? LA? Chicago? My Rox? Detroit? Our first championship was won with uglyball.

And this year we have as much of a chance as the Mavericks to contend.

Also it doesnt take a thoughtful post as to why the Mavericks are suffering defensively, they just dont have players who are capable of playing individual or team defense. Dirk? Nash? Walker? Antoine? None of these guys play D on a consistent enough basis. These guys just dont cut it at all on defense, they play matador defense.

And who do you have to stop up the paint or intimidate in the paint? No one. The only halfway decent defensive players you have are Finley and the rookie Howard and on occasions Bradley because he just gets in the way.

Your team isnt built for defense. It is predicated on high octane offense and to try and outscore the opponent. I have also said in the past they need a bruiser in the paint to improve. Dont know what I need to add to that?

Also BTW is it also ok for me to be called names? When will that be cleaned up?

Even though I don't agree with everything you said, this is a good example of articulating what you're thinking.

As for the namecalling, how do you know it hasn't been addressed? And when the hell did everyone get so sensitive?

If I went on to ClutchCity and posted that the Rockets would never win a title because Steve Francis isn't a good enough point guard, without elaborating why I felt that way, I'd expect to be called names.

[dude1394]

Here is the first post by stevie_franchise:

DeFense, Defense, Defense.

Thats what it is going to take to make Dallas an elite team again.

Did you guys see at the end of the game yesterday how Gadzuric was killing you guys? And did you see how 6-6 Mason sky'd over 7'0" Dirk Nowitski for an offensive putback. That is terrible.

Now... little stevie franchise is well-known around these here parts, so it's not like this was his first post. So the first thing he does is come in on this thread and rag on Dirk for having a guy taking a running start and getting an offensive putback. Like every player in the NBA hasn't had an offensive putback on them, it's a post meant to foster retaliation and it did. He rags on our player and someone responds with a rag on his player. That is what started this whole thing. I don't really think that little stevie is such an innocent here.

Let's see how did little stevie_franchises point add to the:
"Mavs are a mediocre team thread" that was developing. There were quite a few intelligent posts and then in comes little stevie. Starts off with this and quicky migrates to "irk" think, "irk" that. Then it completely falls apart. It looked more like stevie threw a punch, some folks responded and now other folks forgot the original punch.

I actually will apologise for calling little stevie_franchise a knucklehead. I should have just ignored him but didn't(and still cannot it seems).

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: Walkerforthree
Ok, the Mavs need D to win the championship. Now Houston, they need to get to the playoffs to win the championship

you like simplicity?

And Dallas, And Sacramento, and LA, and Minnesota. SA.....shoot the whole NBA needs to get to the playoffs to win the championship wouldnt you agree?

[stevie_franchise3]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Even though I don't agree with everything you said, this is a good example of articulating what you're thinking.

As for the namecalling, how do you know it hasn't been addressed? And when the hell did everyone get so sensitive?

If I went on to ClutchCity and posted that the Rockets would never win a title because Steve Francis isn't a good enough point guard, without elaborating why I felt that way, I'd expect to be called names.

I dont know it has been addressed unless you say it has so I have to assume it hasnt been and still assume as such right now.

So I guess its ok for the namecalling then?


And since you dont agree with what I have said why don't you articulate on why the Mavs are a mediocre team? I dont remember read any of your articulative and stimulating posts in this thread?

[Walkerforthree]

Originally posted by: stevie_franchise3

And Dallas, And Sacramento, and LA, and Minnesota. SA.....shoot the whole NBA needs to get to the playoffs to win the championship wouldnt you agree?

Ahh yes, but all of those teams made the playoffs last year and will again this year, Houston however....

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: stevie_franchise3

I dont know it has been addressed unless you say it has so I have to assume it hasnt been and still assume as such right now.

So I guess its ok for the namecalling then?


And since you dont agree with what I have said why don't you articulate on why the Mavs are a mediocre team? I dont remember read any of your articulative and stimulating posts in this thread?

stevie_franchise3 - you are a troll. You have always been a troll. You will always BE a troll. I just want you to understand why most people don't want you here.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

[grndmstr_c]

Its not that I "treat playoffs stats separately", its because the NBA does and my original point was that Dirk never had averaged 10 for the regular season, so I am not sure what point you are trying to prove on what he has done in the playoffs other than to say maybe a cheap shot that the Rockets havent made the playoffs lately?

My point was quite simple. You've been criticizing Dirk for not averaging 10 boards a game. I provided a statistic that shows him averaging better than 10 boards a game during the most important time of the year and against the best competition. Also, if you're going to compare Dirk's rebounding to other big's in the game, the responsible thing to do might be to look at his defensive and offensive rebounds separately (another one of those things the NBA treats differently). For his career in the playoffs Dirk averages 9.6 defensive boards per game. We can compare that to, for example, Tim Duncan, who averages 9.9, Shaquille O'Neal, who averages 8.2, and Kevin Garnett, who averages 9.2. Dirk has been as good on the defensive glass as any of the marquee, MVP caliber bigs in the league today. His rebounds are lower than these other guys because he plays way out on the perimeter on offense so often, and is therefore not in position to grab offensive boards. Do your homework before you start throwing around misguided criticisms and you won't get attacked by the other posters on this board.

[kg_veteran]

I dont know it has been addressed unless you say it has so I have to assume it hasnt been and still assume as such right now.

The incorrect assumption you're making is that I owe you an explanation.

So I guess its ok for the namecalling then?

You really don't pay attention, do you?

[thebac]

Please don't feed the

I do have an opinion on the matter, but I posted that in the Max Power thread "Are we screwed" in the hopes that this thread here will just die.

[MightyToine]

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Originally posted by: thebac
Please don't feed the [/q

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[StupidDannyAInge]

Anyone who doesn't agree with the masses at this board gets called names and labeled a troll. I have stuck up for everyone on this team yet am still labeled a troll because I had the nerve to stick up for Antoine who is actually even a part of this team.

Then if you call anyone else on being biased for a certain player who takes away stats from Dirk (Dirk isn't getting his shots will be whined by the majority of this board after every game no matter how many shots he actually gets) then they get the moderators to start calling you names too (and don't think for a second that the name calling gets addressed because the persons who still call people names are the people still around and some of them are actually even in charge)

The next step will be a moderator coming to tell you to shut up (excuse me I mean shut your pie hole) and then you get threatened with being banned.
That is how it works around here.

Just wait a few minutes and the moderators will be around again threatening to ban me for what others are finally starting to notice.
Unless you agree with the masses you get called names and told to shut up. Even if what you are saying is true and has been proven true in the majority of posts on this board.
They don't want to hear it.

Here we go.

Originally posted by: stevie_franchise3

Don't say I derailed this thread. My initial post was about Dallas lack of defense and what it would take to be an elite team again. It was Mavs4three who started derailing this thread with his/her talk of Yao Mings rebound per game. Go back and check the posts.

Then ya buddy dude1394 starts talking about the past with his saying of "When you guys get out of the first round (oh make that get into the playoffs) them come back and yack. You sound just LIKE stevie franchise, it's a good name for you." Thats talking in the past.

Then I was called a dumbass, a knucklehead and a lunkhead by the two above mentionded posters and then told to STF by MavKikiNYC. I never called them out of their name but I am the troll? You could have nipped this in the bud many post ago.

Anyways to get back to my original statement, Defense is what wins championships and until Dallas learns to do that, they will be a mediocre team this year.