Iverson is the man

[rakesh.s]

Originally posted by: dirno2000

Don’t’ forget Kukoc who was an 18 point 5 assist guy before going to Philly. Iverson was so happy to have him that he came to the press conference. Big dog is kind of a head case, but he’s a head case that can fill it up. He got fewer shots last year with AI than he was getting with Cassell and Ray Allen. It would have been interesting to see what Iverson and Hughes could have done together. I could be wrong, but I can’t imagine a player with 18-20 ppg capabilities would want to play with Iverson because, while it pretty simplistic, scorers like to shoot.

this just about sums it up..kukoc, matt harpring, glenn robinson, keith van horn have all been through philly and if iverson was so great, he would've found a way to make it work with one of these guys

he didn't..and that's all there is to that..

if he changes his attitude and trusts his teammates and wins some games in the EAST, then let me know that he is a top 10 player and you'd have a point..

[seal614]

hey if you think the sixers have one of the better rosters in the east then yeah... this conversation is definitely over.

I hope AI gets in King's head before the deadline. I'm glad he said something. And if he has to leave philly to win, so be it, he's done enough on his own.

- Homer teehee!

[edit] sixers are 5-1 when AI scores 40+

[#1MavsFan]

Iverson just went off for 48 on the Bucks on 18-30 shooting while dishing out 8 assists and getting 4 steals. He's putting up some pretty impressive numbers; have to consider him for the MVP.

http://www.nba.com/games/20050301/PHIMIL/boxscore.html

[DubOverdose]

I saw the end of the game....but that was after he was done scoring....agh

[FilthyFinMavs]

AI has done it again. The fact that you can lead the league in points and be top 10 in assists is amazing. His only chances of winning the MVP award though is if the 6ers win the Atlantic and you'd think that would be easy but i'm starting to like this Celtics team.

[poohrichardson]

Man.. I wouldn't take Yao over half the players in the league... let alone Iverson..

[MavKikiNYC]

27-29.

The MVP ain't in Philly.

[seal614]

nope but the talent level certainly has risen.

[4cwebb]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
27-29.

The MVP ain't in Philly.

Probably not, but what Iverson is doing from a statistical standpoint this season is much more impressive than the big boys...after all, I think TD, KG, Dirk and CWebb have pretty much shown throughout the past few years that getting 20+ and 10+ as an average really isn't that rare in today's NBA.

But someone scoring 30 and handing out 8 assists per game (if AI is up to that level in the assist category)? Last guy to do that was Jordan, and he didn't even win the MVP that year (secondhand info. --- I didn't look it up) because Magic averaged 25 and 13 assists, or something ridiculous.

[V2M]

When I first looked, he had 45 Points & 7 Assists with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter!! Philly was leading by 20 at that point... if the game was closer, I thought, he'd easily break his record for the season (60points).

Statistically, my MVP picks are: AI, Lebron, Dirk, Amare, Nash.
Best player on elite teams, my MVP picks are: Nash, TD, Dirk, Shaq, Lebron

Combine the two, Dirk's my MVP. He's putting up numbers and helping his team win under the most difficult of times such as, losing his PG of last 6 yrs, playing alongside 9 new teammates, no consistency at PG or Center positions (due to injuries or ineffective play), head coach out for 10 games, his own injuries, etc. Dirk is the only constant on this team and he's single-handedly put the Mavs in position to finish near 57-58wins for the year. That to me is MVP play.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
27-29.

The MVP ain't in Philly.

Let the 6ers win the Atlantic and I guarantee AI wins MVP.

[EricaLubarsky]

If current trends continue, it would only require a 42-40 record to top the Atlantic.

[endtroducing]

AI...best under 6'4 player ever?

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: endtroducing
AI...best under 6'4 player ever?

Isiah and Stockton might have something to say about that.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally posted by: endtroducing
AI...best under 6'4 player ever?

My understanding is that Calvin Murphy at 5'9" was quite a playuh.

I'd also seriously consider Tiny Archibald who did something like 34ppg/10apg early 1970s. While the team he was on in those years was about as mediocre as AI's Sixers, Tiny did manage to win a championship later on with the Celtics while playing a lesser role.

And also Mr. Logo, Jerry West only went about 6.3.

Both of these guys had championships, whilst Mr. Iverson in all likelihood will not.

[seal614]

why under 6'4" how about under 6"0"?

Tough to argue with that, and AI listed at 6' is a joke.

AI could try and grab a championship playing a lesser role, or on somebody else's back but I respect him for sticking with his team: good or bad. Not a lot of players can say that.

As far as "all-time" there is only one thing about AI that is not debate-able. He is one of the all time greatest scorers.

[GP]

I can't go against Isaiah. He easily could have averaged 35 a game if he had wanted. However, the Pistons played team ball and won as a team. He took over at the end of games when it was close. He was absolutely unstoppable. A tremendous player excellent both offensively and defensively. Not to mention he won 2 titles.

[mary]

Funny stat of the night:

In a blowout to Golden State at home (ouch) A.I. had just as many turnovers as Cwebb had FGA - TWELVE!

CWebb was HEAVILY booed by the Philly crowd in the fourth quarter.

[steponhens]

I have never really liked AI very much. Yes he can score but I think he is tremendously overrated. I just don't see what others do. Very good player but will never win a title and can't play with other good players. Sure he can in all star games but not over the course of a season. Not a fan of his.

[EricaLubarsky]

some days he's phenomenal, some days he shoots 37.5%, and has 11 turnovers.

[seal614]

uh... bump? Beating Miami with 38 and 16.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I didn't bother to read much of this thread, but I bet know exactly what was on it. Some of you love Iverson, with good reason, and the rest of you complain that he's a ballhog and has a bad FG% and commits too many turnovers. I don't feel like typing the same crap all over again so I'll just copy and paste and earlier post of mine.

I really hate to hear people bash Allen Iverson. I understand it, I expect it, but I hate it. I know he's always had a horrible field goal percentage, always taken a LOT of shots, and always always had the ball. However, the idea that he's not a truly amazing player is just flat out wrong. He is one of the greatest players of all time, and is definately a hall of famer. Easily the greatest player ever under 6 feet. Yeah, the guy always has the ball, but that's the way he's always been coached. Throughout his career, the coaching staff, and the entire 76'ers organization have built everything around AI. All of their hopes, their dreams, their expectations for success, they have rested entirely on Allen Iverson's shoulders. The 76'ers have some of the worst management in the NBA. They've had Iverson for like 8 years now, and whatever help they rarely had for him, they traded away. When a player has the ball in their hands that much, and they have little to nothing around him, of course he's going to have a horrible FG% and a lot of turnovers. Magic Johnson almost always led the league in turnovers, was he a ball hog? Of course not, the offense was just always centered through him, same with AI. Now of course you can argue that his style of play subtracts from his teammates, and you probably have a good point. But Iverson has never had anywhere near enough help on that team. When great players play on lousy teams, they always look like selfish ballhogs that never want to share the ball or get their team mates involved (even if they average more than 7 assists which AI does) People said the same thing about Tracy McGrady in Orlando, and they were wrong. This season, the Sixers have several young promising players, that seem to have good chemistry without Iverson. But that does not mean he's not a phenominal player. To equate him to Baron Davis is just stupid. His speed is truly incredible, and his ability to cross-over his defender and dribble penetatrate all the way for a layup is simply breathtaking. Not to mention that he's an amazing on-the-ball and off-the-ball defender. (How many times has he led the league in steals?) He also has incredible heart, and determination. Nobody in the NBA plays harder than Allen Iverson. He goes out their every night and pushes himself to his very limit. Now, I agree that AI does not deserve MVP this year, solely because of the Sixers' record. If the Sixers had a better record though, he would unquestionably be MVP.

Allen Iverson is just one of those players you either like or don't. Partly for his game, mostly for his attitude. Some say he's a punk, others, like me, say he's a badass. For everyone who complains about AI being a ballhog, and not being a team player, you probably didn't watch that Miami game last night. 16 assists. One of them was off of an amazing steal of an inbound pass, to Kyle Kover for 3. Iverson IS the man.

[seal614]

Originally posted by: Thespiralgoeson
To equate him to Baron Davis is just stupid. His speed is truly incredible, and his ability to cross-over his defender and dribble penetatrate all the way for a layup is simply breathtaking. Not to mention that he's an amazing on-the-ball and off-the-ball defender. (How many times has he led the league in steals?) He also has incredible heart, and determination. Nobody in the NBA plays harder than Allen Iverson. He goes out their every night and pushes himself to his very limit. Now, I agree that AI does not deserve MVP this year, solely because of the Sixers' record. If the Sixers had a better record though, he would unquestionably be MVP.

Allen Iverson is just one of those players you either like or don't. Partly for his game, mostly for his attitude. Some say he's a punk, others, like me, say he's a badass. For everyone who complains about AI being a ballhog, and not being a team player, you probably didn't watch that Miami game last night. 16 assists. One of them was off of an amazing steal of an inbound pass, to Kyle Kover for 3. Iverson IS the man.

Thank you spiral... AI does it again tonight... 43 and 7? He can ballhog me ANY NIGHT

[EricaLubarsky]

7assists and only 5TO. I guess no one is perfect.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
7assists and only 5TO. I guess no one is perfect.

See earlier post:

When a player has the ball in their hands that much, and they have little to nothing around him, of course he's going to have a horrible FG% and a lot of turnovers. Magic Johnson almost always led the league in turnovers, was he a ball hog? Of course not, the offense was just always centered through him, same with AI.

I really can't help but laugh when people say Iverson is overrated. He's about to lead the league in scoring for the 4th time. Only 2 or 3 other players have ever done that. Michael Jordan, and Wilt Chamberlain were two of them. That's pretty elite company isn't it? Iverson is also about to average in the top 5 in points, assists and steals. You know how many other players have done that in NBA history? NONE!

[EricaLubarsky]

and that makes him perfect?

[Thespiralgoeson]

no, it makes him a phenominal player.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Thank you spiral... AI does it again tonight... 43 and 7? He can ballhog me ANY NIGHT

Another point that neither of us mention; THE GUY IS PLAYING HURT!! He's been doing this all season. Both of his thumbs have been badly hurt, yet the guy goes out, puts up 38 and 16, and the very next night he puts up 43 and 7.

[chumdawg]

Grittiest competitor I've ever seen on a basketball court. Ever.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: Thespiralgoeson
no, it makes him a phenominal player.

well then why argue against me when I said he wasnt perfect?

[chumdawg]

What kind of argument is "he's not perfect?"

[EricaLubarsky]

I didnt know it was an argument, I just pointed out that he wasnt perfect and the AI homers jumped all over it and turned it into an argument.

[dirno2000]

it's always an arguement here...

[chumdawg]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
I didnt know it was an argument, I just pointed out that he wasnt perfect and the AI homers jumped all over it and turned it into an argument.

Did anyone ever claim that he was perfect? And did it add anything at all to the discussion to point out that he--much like every other basketball player who ever stepped on the hardwood--is not perfect?

[EricaLubarsky]

So very on edge, chum. So very on edge.

[Thespiralgoeson]

lol, relax people. Erica, when you said "nobody's perfect" I didn't think you literally ment that. I just thought that was a sarcastic way of saying he's overrated. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone is being sarcastic or not when you can't hear the tone of their voice. I was merely making a comment about the turnovers. I never meant to imply that AI was "perfect."

[seal614]

toss a little gas on the fire~

AI with 39 12ast 7rb and 4stl to clinch a playoff berth for the sixers.

Averaged somewhere in the mid 40's against the bucks all season. Nice way to clinch.

Shooting for the 6th seed with a hopeful win over ATL and even more hopeful Indy loss.

6th seed and AI deserves some MVP consideration (top 3-4) if he keeps playing like this.

[kingrex]

At the end of last season, back when Iverson was talking about getting traded out of Philly, and the Mavs still had Nash, I was trying to figure out how some type of trade with Philly involving Iverson and Nash could be brokered.

There's a reason I'm not a GM in the NBA. Both teams seems to have figured out what was best for them this year without my help. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[poohrichardson]

Wow.. he's not perfect.. that's the lamest argument I've ever heard...

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: poohrichardson
Wow.. he's not perfect.. that's the lamest argument I've ever heard...

this is my nomination for lamest "contribution"