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Rick41 · 09-26-2006, 07:55 PM

"If Dirk puts up similar numbers this season, he is due for an MVP award and if he retires from the NBA without one, it will be an injustice."

Amen.

#1MavsFan · 09-26-2006, 02:00 PM

Well if you can't make a case for him after he led his team to a championship, not sure what will than.

Hitman · 09-26-2006, 03:35 PM

Wade leads Kobe in finals MVPs 1-0 and is clearly the leader and best player on the defending NBA champs.

Kobe hasn't been out of the first round in 2 years.

Personally, I would definitely take Wade and LeBron over Kobe. Not that Kobe isn't the best scorer I have ever seen when he's on (including Jordan) but those 3 guys are close, and a good case can be made for LeBron and Wade over Kobe.

I wonder how high Dirk would have been on those rankings if he had managed to win 2 more playoff games?

#1MavsFan · 09-26-2006, 04:30 PM

Maybe but I wouldn't go as far to say that Miami is a one man team, they're pretty loaded. The Lakers definatley have no one but #24 and the Cavs have a overrated Hughes and the King. Also Nash was #5 on the list.

1. Wade
2. Lebron
3. Kobe
4. Dirk
5. Nash
6. TD
7. AI
8. KG
9. Arenas
10. Carmelo

The next 5:
TMAC
CP
Marion
Pierce
Brand

IMO thats about as good of a list for the top 10 players in the nba that I've ever seen.

Five-ofan · 09-26-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by #1MavsFan

Maybe but I wouldn't go as far to say that Miami is a one man team, they're pretty loaded. The Lakers definatley have no one but #24 and the Cavs have a overrated Hughes and the King. Also Nash was #5 on the list.

1. Wade
2. Lebron
3. Kobe
4. Dirk
5. Nash
6. TD
7. AI
8. KG
9. Arenas
10. Carmelo

The next 5:
TMAC
CP
Marion
Pierce
Brand

IMO thats about as good of a list for the top 10 players in the nba that I've ever seen.

Nash over duncan and its as good of a list as youve seen? You my friend need to look at some better top 10 lists. Also i like melo and arenas but they arent better than brand. Also, The lakers arent number 24 and a bunch of scrubs. They are Kobe, Odom, and several good role players.

Underdog · 09-26-2006, 08:40 PM

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Maybe but I wouldn't go as far to say that Miami is a one man team, they're pretty loaded.

Not that Miami is a one-man team, but that LeBron, Kobe & Wade don't really need a team behind them to make them effective (and when they do - look the @#$% out!) These three might be the only three players in the league today that nobody has an answer for, whereas Dirk is pretty unstoppable, but only if his team creates the right circumstances for him to unleash his fury...

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-26-2006, 08:48 PM

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Not that Miami is a one-man team, but that LeBron, Kobe & Wade don't really need a team behind them to make them effective (and when they do - look the @#$% out!) These three might be the only three players in the league today that nobody has an answer for, whereas Dirk is pretty unstoppable, but only if his team creates the right circumstances for him to unleash his fury...

No, it's just that Wade, Lebron and Kobe HAVE to take over the games for their team to have a chance. so they go into every game with the mentality of taking over the game. Dirk on the other hand just does what his team needs. When they need him to take over, he can, and delivers. When they need him to just play within the offense, he can do that well too. Kob, Lebron, and Wade can't do that very well at all.

Underdog · 09-26-2006, 09:10 PM

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No, it's just that Wade, Lebron and Kobe HAVE to take over the games for their team to have a chance. so they go into every game with the mentality of taking over the game. Dirk on the other hand just does what his team needs. When they need him to take over, he can, and delivers. When they need him to just play within the offense, he can do that well too. Kob, Lebron, and Wade can't do that very well at all.

Yeah, that's what I meant by Dirk being more of "team player" - Wade doesn't have to carry his team, but take away his co-stars & he'd be in the same position as LeBron & Kobe...

#1MavsFan · 09-26-2006, 09:39 PM

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No, it's just that Wade, Lebron and Kobe HAVE to take over the games for their team to have a chance. so they go into every game with the mentality of taking over the game. Dirk on the other hand just does what his team needs. When they need him to take over, he can, and delivers. When they need him to just play within the offense, he can do that well too. Kob, Lebron, and Wade can't do that very well at all.

It's not that kobe and lebron can't do that it's just that they don't have the talent around them to do it with. Wade IMO does that, he's made some incredible passes especially the behind the back pass in the playoffs. That was legendary.

#1MavsFan · 09-26-2006, 04:51 PM

You have to admit the Lakers wouldn't have made the playoffs if it wasn't for the former #8 and his amazing scoring ability. Nash just got done winning his 2nd MVP (although controversial) which puts him in some elite company. Nash has become the face of the Suns and has helped a lot of players have career years. Duncan is still amazing but he quite isn't what he used to be, it might have been the injury, but who knows for now? Also I think a lot of GM's would take Arenas and Melo over Brand right now. Arenas is on the crisp of superstardom for many years to come imo and Melo is as clutch as you can get.

Five-ofan · 09-26-2006, 05:01 PM

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You have to admit the Lakers wouldn't have made the playoffs if it wasn't for the former #8 and his amazing scoring ability. Nash just got done winning his 2nd MVP (although controversial) which puts him in some elite company. Nash has become the face of the Suns and has helped a lot of players have career years. Duncan is still amazing but he quite isn't what he used to be, it might have been the injury, but who knows for now? Also I think a lot of GM's would take Arenas and Melo over Brand right now. Arenas is on the crisp of superstardom for many years to come imo and Melo is as clutch as you can get.

Except for the playoffs... Wow, ive gone from arguing against brand earlier to arguing for him now. Weird.. As for the lakers, no they wouldnt have made the playoffs without kobe but the mavs wouldnt have made the playoffs without dirk either same goes for the Cavs with bron, and both teams won more games than the lakers did.

Tokey41 · 09-26-2006, 11:40 PM

I cannot take dime seriously at all... they have the worst posters there as well. Wade ahead of Lebron and Dirk? Debateable... you can let it slide. But Kobe? How? I need justification, I cant comprehend how Wade is better in any way, the only reason i'd think about picking him is because hes younger, but right now not better than Kobe (and since I would be basing off that I would take Lebron hands down). And then we have Nash over Duncan, KG, Iverson, ...etc.? Ludacris as much as I love Nash.

I mean they even have Chris Paul ahead of Marion, Pierce, Brand, and Yao (who from the shown parts of list isint even on it!) and TMac ahead of all those names even though he missed loads of the season. I'm going to stop, just thinking about it is frustrating.

#1MavsFan · 09-27-2006, 12:18 AM

They said Kobe should have won the mvp last year and praised the hell out of him and said it was close but had to give it to wade since he just got a ring and had an amazing finals series. Can't disagree with that.

"So why not the top spot for Kobe?"

They say something about proving he can win it all without shaq and mentioned the game 7 against the suns in which he didn't show up at all.

And for Wade they say he had an amazing finals series despite what people say about the calls and that he shot 61% against the Pistons in a 6 game series.

"The measure of a ballplayer is whether or not you would want that guy on your team when you need to win a game. At this point who can argue that D-Wade wouldn't be their No.1 pick?"

Five-ofan · 09-27-2006, 06:25 AM

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They said Kobe should have won the mvp last year and praised the hell out of him and said it was close but had to give it to wade since he just got a ring and had an amazing finals series. Can't disagree with that.

"So why not the top spot for Kobe?"

They say something about proving he can win it all without shaq and mentioned the game 7 against the suns in which he didn't show up at all.

And for Wade they say he had an amazing finals series despite what people say about the calls and that he shot 61% against the Pistons in a 6 game series.

"The measure of a ballplayer is whether or not you would want that guy on your team when you need to win a game. At this point who can argue that D-Wade wouldn't be their No.1 pick?"

Kobe winning mvp would have almost been worse than nash winning mvp. Dirk or Lebron should have won mvp last year and no one else. The fact that someone else did is a testament to how idiotic the voters are...

Underdog · 09-27-2006, 08:51 AM

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Kobe winning mvp would have almost been worse than nash winning mvp. Dirk or Lebron should have won mvp last year and no one else. The fact that someone else did is a testament to how idiotic the voters are...

The one thing that LeBron & Dirk both did last year was solidify their positions as team leaders [not that they weren't leaders before, but they stepped up to an elite level last year & brought their teams up with them]...

#1MavsFan · 09-27-2006, 05:00 PM

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Kobe winning mvp would have almost been worse than nash winning mvp. Dirk or Lebron should have won mvp last year and no one else. The fact that someone else did is a testament to how idiotic the voters are...

I agree with that, I'm just pointing out that they aren't just hating on kobe by not putting him #1.

"The measure of a ballplayer is whether or not you would want that guy on your team when you need to win a game. At this point who can argue that D-Wade wouldn't be their No.1 pick?"

Anyone disagree with that quote?

Five-ofan · 09-27-2006, 05:26 PM

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I agree with that, I'm just pointing out that they aren't just hating on kobe by not putting him #1.

"The measure of a ballplayer is whether or not you would want that guy on your team when you need to win a game. At this point who can argue that D-Wade wouldn't be their No.1 pick?"

Anyone disagree with that quote?

with or without the nba finals officials?

Underdog · 09-27-2006, 06:05 PM

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with or without the nba finals officials?

those guys...

sike · 09-27-2006, 12:48 AM

Kobe = basketbal god

in the Greek sense...you know, a god that screwing mortals and getting in trouble for it...

MavsX · 09-27-2006, 09:55 AM

f*ck brand

sike · 09-28-2006, 01:49 AM

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f*ck brand

boy, you really are a poor speller.

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-28-2006, 01:49 AM

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boy, you really are a poor speller.

lol

sixeightmkw · 09-28-2006, 06:18 PM

Wow, it's been a while since I was last on here. But this is a joke. Dirk is clearly tops right now.

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 06:45 PM

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Wow, it's been a while since I was last on here. But this is a joke. Dirk is clearly tops right now.

Welcome back - as you can see, people are getting a bit antsy about the season starting [the collective chaos is somehow convincing people that Brand is better than Dirk at the 4, even though these same people will concede that only Kobe, Wade & LeBron are better than Dirk overall...]

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-28-2006, 07:33 PM

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Wow, it's been a while since I was last on here. But this is a joke. Dirk is clearly tops right now.

Good to see you back, and I totally agree.

xmuzjb · 09-30-2006, 09:17 PM

brand ahead of dirk?? Give me a break!

Underdog · 09-30-2006, 09:24 PM

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brand ahead of dirk?? Give me a break!

harumph!