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and i wouldn't even call Ledger a star (not like a carrey, Jones, or Clooney). He's gotten way bigger since his death, but he was never a superstar.
The guys in this movie are solid actors - on the second to third tier of stardom level, but arguably on the top level of acting ability.
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Bale - didn't start earning "star money" until Batman Begins (so he's a star now, but not without the help of a Batman costume...) Ledger - didn't become popular until he was cast as the Joker (unless "one of dem gays from Brokeback Mountain" qualifies as star power?) Gyllenhaal - made an indie name for herself in Donnie Darko and Secretary, but FAR from an A-lister (unless being the sister of "one of dem gays from Brokeback Mountain" qualifies as star power???) Eckheart - I doubt most people can name ONE film he's been in (unless they caught his Golden Globe-nominated performance in Thank You For Smoking...) Murphy - he's rising, but has a loooong way to go before becoming a regular fixture in Hollywood... Caine - Caine : Cinema :: Robin : Batman (you can't find a better supporting actor in the business, but name one movie where he was first-billed in the last 30 years...) Oldman - same story as Caine - a richly diverse actor who works best in supporting roles... Freeman - well, ya got me there, Mr. Dufresne... This man is easily on the same level as Jim Carrey, Tommy Lee Jones and George Clooney!
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Ledger was nominated for an Oscar for Brokeback. "one of dem gays" is selling him short.
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If Ledger had given us the benefit of having this conversation again after Batman 3, then I'm sure I'd agree with you... But unfortunately, like too many great artists, he passed-on before he peaked-out... You could make a strong argument about his talent, but "star power" has to do a lot more with box office draws and paychecks than raw talent...
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yeah i'm pretty pumped for this as well. I'll probably not go on opening night, i hate packed theaters. I might wait a week or so.
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I know a few females who definitely already considered Heath Ledger to be a pretty big star.
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A-Listers to me are: Clooney, Pitt, Damon, Will Smith, Cruise, Denzel, Julia Roberts, etc. It's all about star power and box office, not necessarily about acting chops. And the Schumacher Batman films focused on A-listers (Ah-nold, Carrey, Jones, Clooney). Even the Burton films were A-List driven (Nicholson, DeVito, Pfeiffer). As for Eckhart, he was great in "Thank you for smoking". great performance of an unlikeable character. Want to really hate the guy, though? Watch "In the company of men". He really sells that douche-bag character.
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We can debate the definition of "star" all day, but I still think Heath Ledger was one Dark Knight away from being EVERYONE'S definition of the word...
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Heath Ledger was still known by many. Cant say the same for Bale (prior to batman) or any of the cast aside of Freeman.
Gabriel Martin anyone?
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Michael Caine i could agree with, if we were in 1967.
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You guys gotta stop calling Tommy Lee Jones an "A-Lister"...
The point I was making was that Rick was 100% incorrect in calling them "unknowns". They may not be the 5 biggest names in Hollywood...or the first names that Jenny and Joe Goobermoviefan think of, but those guys are top of the line and super famous for being actors...maybe their "star" isn't as bright, but they are top tier actors...who are all stars. Arguing that Heath Ledger isn't a top tier star is goofy...he didn't make Tom Cruise type flicks...but he was still VERY highly regarded and demanded.
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Im not saying they arent good actors either, in fact they are great actors. They just arent in the spotlight like the other "a-listers" persay. What im trying to say is i like movies like this one, with a bunch of great actors who arent spoiled and such. Not like batman forever where even drew berrymore had a "minor" role.
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disagree, Underdog. Erin Brockovich?
He sold that movie, IMO. Great GREAT performance Last edited by ShaggyDirk; 07-08-2008 at 10:43 PM. |
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Lonesome Dove (1989) - Nominated for an Emmy and Golden Globe for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Miniseries JFK (1991) - Nominated for an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor The Fugitive (1993) - Won an Oscar and Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor Natural Born Killers (1994) Batman Forever (1995) Volcano (1997) Men In Black (1997) A couple nominations, a couple wins, a couple crappy "paycheck" movies, then the occasional summer blockbuster thrown into the mix to keep up the status quo...
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Just like to point out that in the movies you listed TLJ was only the main star in 1: Volcano....barf. He has become one of the best "small movie" actors and "big movie" supporting actors...but is not a major box office draw any more. By the way, I think he is one of the best actors we have.
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My entire conversation as been with Rick and his goofy/false assertion that these latest Batman flicks are being made with "unknowns". No one ever argued that the previous Batman movies didn't have plenty of superstars. But someone did assert that the new moves had "unknowns". then end.
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Yeah, me and BBL were referring to the loose definition of an "A-Lister" in posts #45 & 50 - actors who create enough clout in good movies to carry big-paycheck sh!tty movies... And I would rate Tommy Lee Jones a cut below Will Smith/Denzel Washington/Tom Cruise, but a cut above Christian Bale/Heath Ledger/Aaron Eckhart...
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that's pretty good. why are you morons arguing about the definition of an A-lister. Who cares! Lets get back to the dark knight stuff. |
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I would definitely argue that Jones was an A-Lister around the time of Batman Forever. He was catapulted to the top after The Fugitive. He was bankable for a few years after that. Now he's not, but i digress.
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I think the debate boils down to this: the old Batman franchise tried to cast the biggest names they could whereas the new franchise is casting the most talented/appropriate actors for the job...
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Morgan Freeman, is an A-Lister, just as a supporting actor. That seems to conflict, but it's true. Most people wouldn't go see a Morgan Freeman vehicle, but if Morgan Freeman is a supporting actor in a fairly large role, odds are it's a good movie.
I'm shocked I somehow stayed out of a thread that bogged down around an argument over semantics. I'm usually square in the middle of those.
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