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MaVs 41 BaLler · 07-30-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by birdsanctuary

Wasn't Josh Howard the guy who two years ago called a time out in game 5 when we didn't have any?

F-josh.... are we waiting for his value to rise and then to trade him...

This team is crap on paper and should tank it for a lottery pick, oh forget that we traded all of our 1st rounders to New Jersey...

What the hell is this franchise doing?

Thank you that is exactly what I feel like.

So now our chance in reality to win a title is behind
1. Celtics
2. Lakers
3. Rockets (potentially)
5. Spurs/Jazz
6. Hornets
7.Pistons
8. Every single other fkin team

Wow and to think of that 67 win season........

NOW THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS IS FOR MICHEAL REDD.

Stranger · 07-30-2008, 09:12 AM

I'm stunned that they got him for so little. This is terrible.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2008, 09:20 AM

I'm more pissed at management's sudden love affair with Josh Howard. Ok, Houston gets Artest, now what?

I don't care if Josh stays as much as I care that management won't AT LEAST shop him around (at least based on what Fish is saying).......

My only hope is that it's the same "stay away from the crackpipe" stuff like Harris for Kidd.

destroy ALL · 07-30-2008, 09:37 AM

I'm really hoping the Mavs can somehow get Igudola or Josh Smith. I can't believe Donnie thinks that Gerald Green is the answer the mavs need.

bcrav4 · 07-30-2008, 10:06 AM

Anyone else tired to the Mavs using the term "Wish List"? How about the "Get List."

Caseman · 07-30-2008, 10:15 AM

If Josh is a dud again, there will be blood...

mbaur · 07-30-2008, 10:23 AM

I hope, there is a deal, behind closed doors with the Hawks, so that the Mavs don't want Artest at least..

MavsX · 07-30-2008, 10:28 AM

thank god you morons aren't running the mavs show.

Dirkenstien · 07-30-2008, 10:28 AM

I'm sad and a little depressed.

...back to work

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 10:49 AM

the options available for a trade with someone where our interest hasn't leaked either lead to:
a very, very, very short list of options
or
options that probably won't be "thrilling" moves.

I've gotta say, Josh must've really did or said the right things for the FO to get on board with him as much as what's being said in that article. I know he was getting hit hard in the media and with the fans right after the NO series was over, and for a few weeks after that. If they end up doing nothing, after saying "Hold on, you'll see, there is a move there" or "we really believe in Josh," and he is a dud...man, oh man.

ty · 07-30-2008, 10:57 AM

Go Cowboys.

CanadianMavsFan · 07-30-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsX

thank god you morons aren't running the mavs show.

Ya, one of us may have made a significant move on the roster after a first round flameout in 5 games! Imagine that...

In all seriousness, the only optimism that would remain for me if this team is done making moves is if Rick can truly make us that much better. That would include bringing Josh back to a better version of his old self and injecting some youth into Kidd. I'd be surprised if the Mavericks aren't at least a little interested in Josh Smith or someone to solve our SG problem. We aren't completely screwed yet, but changes still have to be made IMO.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsX

thank god you morons aren't running the mavs show.

Thank God those in denial aren't running the show....oh wait....

foglemann · 07-30-2008, 11:29 AM

This is dissapointing. I feel like we really missed an opportunity that was right in front of us. The idea that we could have gotten Artest + someone to match for Josh is better, IMO, than just having Josh. Now a team that we have to play 4 times a year has him. Unbelievable. The Mavs are either crying wolf about making moves or burying their heads in the sand, ignoring the fact that besides a season with a hurt Amare and a gutty Dirk And 1, we have got nothing to show in the playoffs.

destroy ALL · 07-30-2008, 11:33 AM

I for one actually want J-Ho to stay! The mavs need a legit 2/3 and jet, gerald green, stack, shane foster, eddie jones or who ever the f aint it!

Damp
Dirk
J-Ho
?? (J-Smith or Igudala would be a dream come true!)
Kidd

ty · 07-30-2008, 11:38 AM

^ Why would Iguodola even want come here? They just got Brand. Philly will make the the 6th seed in the East.

SMC0007 · 07-30-2008, 11:41 AM

^He wouldn't want to come here...Philly will be better than 6th seed.

^^DA...Why would JSMith be the SG? And how would we get either one without giving up JHO?

sike · 07-30-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by foglemann

This is dissapointing. I feel like we really missed an opportunity that was right in front of us.

bingo. +rep

destroy ALL · 07-30-2008, 11:49 AM

Mavs vs. Rox:

Damp < Yao
Dirk > Scola
J-Ho < Artest ----- Rox Win 3-2
?? < T-Mac
Kidd > Alston
-------------------------

Mavs vs. Hornets

Damp < Chandler
Dirk > West
J-Ho = Peja ----- Hornets Win 4-1
?? = Pargo
Kidd < Paul
-------------------------

Mavs vs. Spurs:

Damp > K. Thomas
Dirk = Duncan
J-Ho > Bowen ----- Mavs Win 4-2
?? < Ginobli
Kidd > Parker
-------------------------

Caseman · 07-30-2008, 11:52 AM

"We like our team"

destroy ALL · 07-30-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ty

^ Why would Iguodola even want come here? They just got Brand. Philly will make the the 6th seed in the East.

What's the hold up on him signing then?

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by destroy ALL

What's the hold up on him signing then?

There was some high-talent restricted free agents, teams didn't want to jump the gun and sign their players more than what the market suggested.

Dirkenstien · 07-30-2008, 12:09 PM

When the Howard for Artest trade fell apart I stated that I felt like we missed our opportunity and that iw would probably come back to haunt us.

Well....it did. In making that trade we could have sent Howard to a scrub team, gotten back Ron Artest, made our team better, and kept Ron Artest away from the Rockets. We would have been sitting pretty.

Now we're in a worse situation than many could have imagined. Goes to show that in this league if you don't make a reach and try to make something happen someone else will beat you to it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2008, 12:12 PM

I'll take it all back and say "I love Donnie Nelson" if they pull the trigger on a Smith/Claxton deal.

Fall in love and have kids with. I don't even care if the trade works out (which I can't see why not) it would have been the right move.

Speedy Claxton could guard the Chris Pauls and Tony Parkers of the world. Would be the perfect back-up to Kidd.

The more I think of it the more I'm in love. I don't care if we have fallen out of favor, until Smith is officially traded (or re-signed), I'm holding out hope.

sike · 07-30-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

When the Howard for Artest trade fell apart I stated that I felt like we missed our opportunity and that iw would probably come back to haunt us.

Well....it did. In making that trade we could have sent Howard to a scrub team, gotten back Ron Artest, made our team better, and kept Ron Artest away from the Rockets. We would have been sitting pretty.

Now we're in a worse situation than many could have imagined. Goes to show that in this league if you don't make a reach and try to make something happen someone else will beat you to it.

I hate these kind of "I told you so's".....I much prefer "I told you Disney World would be fun" and "I told you he can't fold top pair", or "I told you ice cream and sprinkles were great together!"

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:12 PM

Houston was a team I actually didn't think about when I said if we need to get Artest, part of which one reason is to keep him away from a team that can hurt us. I was looking at Phoenix or the Lakers...I didn't think about Houston, but that team definitely fits the same issue we have with letting Artest go.

Dirkenstien · 07-30-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I hate these kind of "I told you so's".....I much prefer "I told you Disney World would be fun" and "I told you he can't fold top pair", or "I told you ice cream and sprinkles were great together!"

Believe me, I do too.

sike · 07-30-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Houston was a team I actually didn't think about when I said if we need to get Artest, part of which one reason is to keep him away from a team that can hurt us. I was looking at Phoenix or the Lakers...I didn't think about Houston, but that team definitely fits the same issue we have with letting Artest go.

I hate to be this guy....but, imagine having Devin Harris and Ron Artest right about now....sheesh.

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Speedy Claxton could guard the Chris Pauls and Tony Parkers of the world. Would be the perfect back-up to Kidd.

Claxton hasn't been the same player for a few years, he's had major injury issues. The way it works for us and the Hawks is we unload his salary off their hands.

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I hate to be this guy....but, imagine having Devin Harris and Ron Artest right about now....sheesh.

Nah, I'd still rather have Kidd/Artest.
I don't believe Harris had a major future here.

sike · 07-30-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Nah, I'd still rather have Kidd/Artest.
I don't believe Harris had a major future here.

I agree...but with Harris we have the ammo to get Artest...evidently bc Kidd, we didn't have the picks the Kings wanted.

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:18 PM

It's too complicated I think if you look at it with the Pre-Kidd roster into account. Who knows where our team would've been, and who is still actually on it today and if players are wanting something else, we have certain coaches around...etc, etc.

Underdog · 07-30-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I hate to be this guy....but, imagine having Devin Harris and Ron Artest right about now....sheesh.

Think about Jason Kidd and Josh Smith... Or Michael Redd... Or Shawn Marion...

Are Vince Carter or Allen Iverson on the move? How would they look?

Ron Artest was not the last man standing...

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Think about Jason Kidd and Josh Smith... Or Michael Redd... Or Shawn Marion...

Ron Artest was not the last man standing...

True...but he was right on the doorstep, just waiting to be signed off.

I don't think Redd is an option at least til Feb. Marion might be complicated, Smith is still my top option, but I don't exactly have the faith in our group to do it, then you have to take into account the sloppy FO in Atlanta as well.

edit: you added VC and AI, Denver wouldn't want Josh in that situation, they'll want Kidd or something. VC, not too excited about.

Dirkenstien · 07-30-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Houston was a team I actually didn't think about when I said if we need to get Artest, part of which one reason is to keep him away from a team that can hurt us. I was looking at Phoenix or the Lakers...I didn't think about Houston, but that team definitely fits the same issue we have with letting Artest go.

I thought about Houston but later thought, "Oh well they don't have enough assetts to make anything happen." That was when everyone though Sacramento wanted Josh Howard. Instead they went with a washed up Bobby Jackson, an unproven Donte Green, and a future draft pick that will most likely be very low.

Go figure.

Underdog · 07-30-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

True...but he was right on the doorstep, just waiting to be signed off.

I don't think Redd is an option at least til Feb. Marion might be complicated, Smith is still my top option, but I don't exactly have the faith in our group to do it, then you have to take into account the sloppy FO in Atlanta as well.

Who would we use to get someone better than Artest if we spent our only valuable trade pieces on Artest?

Or to look at it another way: how pissed would you be if we passed on Josh Smith for Ron Artest???

Flacolaco · 07-30-2008, 12:26 PM

What do we have that anyone would want in a trade?

sike · 07-30-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Who would we use to get someone better than Artest if we spent our only valuable trade pieces on Artest?

Or to look at it another way: how pissed would you be if we passed on Josh Smith for Ron Artest???

that is some serious silver lining you are throwing out there...and I'm liking it.

sike · 07-30-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

What do we have that anyone would want in a trade?

Your mom is still on the block, right?

BGMaverick9 · 07-30-2008, 12:47 PM

If the same pieces that got your Artest could've gotten you Smith, I'd be upset...but I'd be happy b/c I think either move helps our Roster. You improved your roster, one way or another.

Dirkenstien, what you were saying to add to it...what happened to wanting to unload Kenny Thomas and etc? Our office just looks silly.