Big Man options thread

[greensborohill]

Apparently IF Drew Gooden is released from the Clippers he will not have to wait 30 days before signing with Dallas.

Again, IF

[greensborohill]

Man, I need to change my sig!

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by greensborohill

Apparently IF Drew Gooden is released from the Clippers he will not have to wait 30 days before signing with Dallas.

Again, IF

DLord discusses why this MIGHT be true...

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=2598

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

DLord discusses why this MIGHT be true...

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=2598

Are we sure we want this guy back?

[saclare]

Big Z would be the best, but he is going to Cleveland

Gooden would be the second best option

Kurt Thomas being the third choice, in my opinion

[Usually Lurkin]

There's talk that Ilgauskas could be bought out. I'd probably take Gooden over Ilgauskas in the hopes of mobility, but Big Z might be a great 2nd/3rd center to have.

[Dirkenstien]

Big Z won't be an option. He'll be going back to Cleveland.

Gooden , Thomas in that order.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

What a rape of a trade if Gooden returns.

[MascisMan]

Kandi Man?

[bernardos70]

Eddie Griffin?



..........too soon?

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

Eddie Griffin?



..........too soon?

Tragic what happened to him. I guess Najera is the best out there that is available. Not saying that is great but good enough until Dampier comes back.

[mac222b]

Billy Paultz?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Put me in the category of people who just don't really care. I mean, it's not like we're fighting for the top seed here. I'm fine throwing Najera out there until Damp comes back. (Unless he's not expected to be back before playoffs. Then we might have a problem.)

[dude1394]

Spiral does it not make a difference if they can get to #3?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Spiral does it not make a difference if they can get to #3?

Meh...

[Dirkadirkastan]

I think we should try to get that Greg Oden guy. After all, he's been invaluable in Portland.

[Kante]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...rian_cardinal/

[quietsavant]

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2009/

This is the very short available list of bigs short of picking up someone who gets waived or bought out.

Free agency
Player
Blount, Mark 33
Booth, Calvin 33
Elson, Francisco 33
Ely, Melvin 31
Foyle, Adonal 34
Hunter, Steven 27
Ilgauskas,Z 34
James, Jerome 33
Mihm, Chris 29
Mutombo, Dikemb 42
Swift, Robert 23
Voskuhl, Jake 31

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by quietsavant

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2009/

This is the very short available list of bigs short of picking up someone who gets waived or bought out.

Free agency
Player Pos Age Exp Type Old Team New Team Contract More
Blount, Mark C 33 10yrs UFA*** MIA --- ---
Booth, Calvin C 33 10yrs UFA SAC --- ---
Elson, Francisco C 33 6yrs UFA* MIL --- ---
Ely, Melvin C 31 7yrs UFA NOH --- ---
Foyle, Adonal C 34 12yrs UFA ORL --- ---
Hunter, Steven C 27 8yrs UFA*** DEN --- ---
Ilgauskas, Zydrunas C 34 13yrs UFA*** CLE --- ---
James, Jerome C 33 10yrs UFA* CHI --- ---
Mihm, Chris C 29 9yrs UFA MEM --- ---
Mutombo, Dikembe C 42 18yrs UFA HOU --- ---
Swift, Robert C 23 5yrs UFA OKC --- ---
Voskuhl, Jake C 31 9yrs UFA TOR --- --

Melvin Ely

Fransisco Elson

Either of those could patch the float for a bit.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'd take Robert Swift.

[quietsavant]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Melvin Ely

Fransisco Elson

Either of those could patch the float for a bit.

How good is elson? I know he did some make shift work for the Spurs for a bit, and his name popped out of the list the most, but is he a shot blocker or rim protector? Or just a good 6 hard fouls a game?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by quietsavant

How good is elson? I know he did some make shift work for the Spurs for a bit, and his name popped out of the list the most, but is he a shot blocker or rim protector? Or just a good 6 hard fouls a game?

Elson and Ely would be a much better defender than Voskuhl if that is saying anything. Not sure I would prefer them over Gooden but it would be close. I don't think they would be able to shoot the ball as well but they definitely protect the rim better than Gooden or Voskuhl. Ely didn't do a bad job of guarding Dirk on a few occasion when playing for N.O. if I recall correctly.

[quietsavant]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Elson and Ely would be a much better defender than Voskuhl if that is saying anything. Not sure I would prefer them over Gooden but it would be close. I don't think they would be able to shoot the ball as well but they definitely protect the rim better than Gooden or Voskuhl. Ely didn't do a bad job of guarding Dirk on a few occasion when playing for N.O. if I recall correctly.

Mike fisher had a few criticizing remarks about Ely and that sort turned me off on him. Thanks for the analysis. If its 10 minutes of burn time, it shouldn't be too critical

[quietsavant]

Mark Heisler from the LA times is reporting via twitter that NBA officals might not allow the Big Z boomerang. Wouldn't be a first(they stopped the stackhouse boomerang from happening).

# HOLD THAT HOMECOMING. Source says NBA has told other teams it won't let Z go back to Cavs. May be woofing with no rule against it, maybe not

# HOMECOMING II: Wizards haven't even bought out Zydrunas Ilgauskas yet but everyone knows it's coming and NBA officials read papers

# HOMECOMING III: NBA stopped just one now-common trade-buyout-re-sign scam-when Stackhouse admitted it--may be working on way to make it two

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Sounds to me like a couple of teams with a lot of disdain for Cleveland have let the NBA offices know exactly what they think of that bogus Big Z boomerang

[Thomas86]

If that's true than Donnie needs to work his magic and get Big Z to sign with the Mavs.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Thomas86

If that's true than Donnie needs to work his magic and get Big Z to sign with the Mavs.

Then there's this:

Gooden Or Big Z To Mavs? No Luck, Says Donnie
Mavs' Reading Of Market Suggests Reliance On Haywood And Patience With Dampier

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Don’t count on the Mavs being able to sign Drew Gooden. Don’t count on the Mavs being able to sign Zydrunas Ilgauskas. What Dallas hopes it can count on at center?

“We told Erick Dampier to go drink from the same fountain of youth as J-Kidd is drinking from,’’ Mavs GM Donnie Nelson jokingly tells DallasBasketball.com. “And we ordered Brendan Haywood to stay out of foul trouble.’’

Donnie could be playin’ possum on the subject of trying to sign a big man based on what our David Lord calculates to be the critical date of Thursday, February 25. (We’ll explain momentarily); the club can’t say “no sale’’when it doesn’t even know what’s at market. But Donnie’s got a great and on-the-record feel for the futures of targeted big men Gooden and Ilgauskas. ... and that “good feel’’ suggests Dallas might as well start aiming at other targets.

Some insights from Donnie Nelson ...

*On Gooden, who we are certain – after talking to Dallas locker-room pals of his -- was absolutely hoping to make his buyout escape from the Clippers for a return to Dallas:

“No, it looks like (the Clippers) are going to ride it out,’’ says Donnie of Gooden, so valuable as a backup here for the first half of this season before being dealt to Washington … and then to LAC.

As we’ve written, despite some potential loopholes along the way. … LAC holds the reins here … and holds very tightly on the purse strings, too.

*On Ilgauskas, and the subject of rumors insisting that the NBA would preclude him from re-signing with Cleveland after he negotiates a buyout from Washington:

“You hear all that hogwash about the NBA blocking that,’’ Nelson tells me. “But there’s no truth to it.’’

Ilgauskas has made it clear his preference is to play in Cleveland, where he’s spent his entire 12-year NBA career. Nevertheless, the Mavs publically expressed a just-in-case interest. ... But Donnie seems quite sure Big Z will be allowed to re-up with the Cavs.

*On Dampier, sitting out with that nasty dislocated finger:

“It still looks like, hopefully, a total of three weeks before he’s back,’’ Donnie says. “In the meantime, Eddie (Najera) is doing exactly what we’d hoped for as a short-term solution. He creates problems for teams. And Brendan Haywood has been terrific. We’ve just told him to keep it up, and we ordered Brendan Haywood to stay out of foul trouble.’’

*Finally, those calculations from our David Lord about the timely signing of some other to-be-bought-out free agent:

1. The only issue here is playoff eligibility. If a player is released after March 1, another team still has the latitude to sign him for any or all of the remainder of the regular season, if they wish.

2. But, if we calculate correctly, the deadline will be Thursday, Feb 25 for a player to be waived/bought out/cut (all synonymous acts) if he wants to be able to sign with another team and become playoff eligible. That is because he must clear waivers (the process of every other team saying they don't want him for his old contract, an event which takes two business days) by March 1, and the NBA is closed for the weekend.

3. If a player is waived in time, what's the deadline for him to be signed? There isn't one. A player who hasn't been on any other NBA roster after March 1 can be signed at any time thereafter and be playoff-eligible.

Those are some of the in’s and out’s of what the Mavs were hoping to do with Gooden or Ilgauskas … and maybe will try to do with someone else. (They are working to sign Von Wafer, as DB.com reported last night. And maybe there will be a buyout target who isn't a big.) In the meantime, Haywood’s a stud, Najera’s a pest, and Dampier is sipping from Kidd’s fountain.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by quietsavant

Mark Heisler from the LA times is reporting via twitter that NBA officals might not allow the Big Z boomerang. Wouldn't be a first(they stopped the stackhouse boomerang from happening).








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Sounds to me like a couple of teams with a lot of disdain for Cleveland have let the NBA offices know exactly what they think of that bogus Big Z boomerang

Maybe the NBA office that approved this trade should do a little more research before approving trades. Maybe find out the intentions of Washington with Z? I mean once you saw Z's name be pedaled around the league you had to know Z will immediately be bought out, rest for 30 days, then resign with Cle to get his ring. I mean you don't spend your whole career with one team, then wave syonara to your best chance at a ring. Just put a rule in, if you're traded from one team, you can't resign with them until after July 1. Why make it 30 days, you left a loophole......

[quietsavant]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Maybe the NBA office that approved this trade should do a little more research before approving trades. Maybe find out the intentions of Washington with Z? I mean once you saw Z's name be pedaled around the league you had to know Z will immediately be bought out, rest for 30 days, then resign with Cle to get his ring. I mean you don't spend your whole career with one team, then wave syonara to your best chance at a ring. Just put a rule in, if you're traded from one team, you can't resign with them until after July 1. Why make it 30 days, you left a loophole......

I fully expect this loophole to be addressed by stern and his goons during the offseason. It's going to be extremely hard for them to show sufficient proof right now during the season of collusion. The Player's union will have a Field day if they were to try to void it now, partly because Big Z played it perfectly. Stackhouse on the other hand had a little too much to say. But you're absolutely right. You should only be allowed on a team once a season.

[Windmill360]

let's see if Gooden plays tonight.

[bobatundi]

Nick Fazekas is putting up decent numbers in France...

[sefant77]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...debut_tuesday/

I wanted him that 2 years for the minimum

[EricaLubarsky]

Gooden
K. Thomas
Ilgauskas

Everyone else is total trash. Honestly why do we need a third center? Once Damp gets back we'll have one of the strongest center positions in the league depthwise.

I think we need a 4/5.

6'10" Gooden is a wonderful choice as he brings an amazing amount of offensive diversity and quickness. Thomas is just a bruiser who is putting up decent numbers as a backup. I'd love him here if all else fails.

Z...well theres not much need for him. He's decent defensively but he's slow and a jumpshooter offensively.

[Windmill360]

Well Gooden is actually seeing playing time right now for the Clips... I think he stays.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gooden
K. Thomas
Ilgauskas

Everyone else is total trash. Honestly why do we need a third center? Once Damp gets back we'll have one of the strongest center positions in the league depthwise.

I think we need a 4/5.

6'10" Gooden is a wonderful choice as he brings an amazing amount of offensive diversity and quickness. Thomas is just a bruiser who is putting up decent numbers as a backup. I'd love him here if all else fails.

Z...well theres not much need for him. He's decent defensively but he's slow and a jumpshooter offensively.

Gooden is not a team player. His scoring efficiency for a big man is very poor and he doesn't like giving up the ball once he has it. Also his help defense is pretty much non-existant. Yes it looks good when he is offensive rebounding and getting put backs but the negatives outweigh the positives.

[EricaLubarsky]

Wow what utter BS. He's not a team player? Do you like talking out your backside much?

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Wow what utter BS. He's not a team player? Do you like talking out your backside much?

Any proof he is beneficial to this? Look how much better this team is without him for one. Or that he has the worst PER and +/- of anyone getting substancial minutes. Even worse than Barea. -11.4 NET and -6.0 Rating http://www.82games.com/0910/0910DAL.HTM Maybe he's just a poor decision maker and should be playing PF and not Center. But he hurts this team for the reasons I mentioned. So it's not like I made this stuff up.

[grndmstr_c]

You made up that he's not a team player.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You made up that he's not a team player.

A team player functions well with the team. Alright he isn't the most selfish player but his basketball IQ is so low that it hurts the team. I remember moments where teams went on big runs once Gooden came in the game. He probably did play out of position and you gotta be good on help defense to pair up with Dirk/Marion in the frontcourt. But he had similar +/- when he played for San Antonio last year. I was already not happy with Gooden replacing Bass due to this.

[Windmill360]

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

You should be happy. We replace our worst player with an amazing player in Haywood at C. Makes our team so much better. Wait until we got Dampier back. 48 minutes of solid Center that know the game.